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#27 Aug 14 2007 at 5:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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The copy of Three Little Peppers and How They Grew, needs some careful restoration, as, my grandmother was given it in 1908.


That IS old - by my mother's day there were five little Peppers.
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#28 Aug 14 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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That Army Manual Joph mentionned could be of great use to future military historians.
It wasn't a manual, it was a nonfiction book about the US military from 1965-1991 or so written for the casual armchair military enthusiast. There's probably a dozen other books on the same topic on the shelf at Barnes & Noble with pretty much the same info.
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#29 Aug 14 2007 at 6:28 AM Rating: Good
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There's probably a dozen other books on the same topic on the shelf at Barnes & Noble with pretty much the same info.


Maybe, but then again, there might be something in there which seemed irrelvant at the time, but which will be of great importance to future historians. The chances aren't high, granted, but you never know.

I think there's two different topics in this subject, though. One is about the content of the book, and the other the books themselves. I think the content is extremely important, and should be kept. Especially today, it can all be stored electronically, and would not take any physical space. It can only be beneficial to keep it somewhere for future use.

Once that is done, the book itself, in its physical form, doesn't necessarily matter that much. Objectively, there is nothing special about mass-produced books with paper which will automatically disolve after 50 years or so anyway. I wouldn't feel bad about throwing away some crappy novel I bought at the train station, but I would never even dream of spilling a drop of water on my Pléiade collection.

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#30 Aug 14 2007 at 6:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm a book hoarder but after 3 cross-country moves, I've learned to let go of some books. It's easier to get rid of paperbacks than hardcovers. Like Nobby, I like decent looking hardcovers on my bookshelves.
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#31 Aug 14 2007 at 6:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Maybe, but then again, there might be something in there which seemed irrelvant at the time, but which will be of great importance to future historians. The chances aren't high, granted, but you never know.
You could say the same about the sailboat trivia on my sugar packets.

I imagine that, like you say, eventually all this stuff will be amassed in some form other than dead trees and it won't be a concern how redundant the info is because it won't be taking up shelf space in the family room. Well, I can't even say "all this stuff" because who knows what out of print volumes will turn to dust before they can be entered. Still, I imagine that much of what's in the non-fiction section of the local bookstore could be gone tomorrow with no loss to future civilization. That's not even getting into the fiction section.
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#32 Aug 14 2007 at 6:47 AM Rating: Good
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Maybe, but then again, there might be something in there which seemed irrelvant at the time, but which will be of great importance to future historians. The chances aren't high, granted, but you never know.
You could say the same about the sailboat trivia on my sugar packets.


You could, but the chances would be even lower.

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Still, I imagine that much of what's in the non-fiction section of the local bookstore could be gone tomorrow with no loss to future civilization. That's not even getting into the fiction section.


I agree, but if the cost of storing it is small, and the cost of keeping it stored almost non-existant, there's no real reason not do it. Especially for non-fiction.

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#33 Aug 14 2007 at 6:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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You could, but the chances would be even lower.
Sure, but as long as we're relying on the "You never know..." canard.
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I agree, but if the cost of storing it is small, and the cost of keeping it stored almost non-existant, there's no real reason not do it. Especially for non-fiction.
No problem there. My point was that I don't know if we should mourn the passing of the 1966 edition of the New Mexico Tourism Guide or take extraordinary measures to insure its preservation until the Great Electronic Book Archiving.
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#34 Aug 14 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
Great Electronic Book Archiving.
Electronic?

I think there's enough room around here or maybe floating around space; perhaps the Book Repository on the moon, that we can keep an actual paper copy of each book. Electronic back up for sure.



Edited, Aug 14th 2007 5:05pm by Elinda
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#35 Aug 14 2007 at 7:12 AM Rating: Good
Jophiel wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
You could, but the chances would be even lower.
Sure, but as long as we're relying on the "You never know..." canard.


Yes, but that canard is also called the "precautionary principle". It scales, and it's measurable. And, in this case, the Extraordinary Adventures of the US Army Around the World should be preserved over the Sailing Trivia Sugar Packet.

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My point was that I don't know if we should mourn the passing of the 1966 edition of the New Mexico Tourism Guide or take extraordinary measures to insure its preservation until the Great Electronic Book Archiving.


No, I agree we shouldn't necessarily mourn it until the end of time. Maybe just a minute of silence or so.

Seriously though, the only solution to this problem has got to be the same solution we ought to apply to all similarly subjective problems... case by case?



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Edited, Aug 14th 2007 3:14pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#36 Aug 14 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Seriously though, the only solution to this problem has got to be the same solution we ought to apply to all similarly subjective problems... case by case?
Well, that was part of my original post Smiley: grin

You had people riled up over this book burning who view a 1977 paperback copy of some Slavegirls of Gor novel as inviolate as a first edition Dickens. Simply by virtue of both being words on paper and in a binding. Which is something that, critically, I can't agree with and, emotionally, I have a box full of shitty novels still sitting in my mom's basement since high school.
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#37 Aug 14 2007 at 8:02 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Seriously though, the only solution to this problem has got to be the same solution we ought to apply to all similarly subjective problems... case by case?
Well, that was part of my original post Smiley: grin

You had people riled up over this book burning who view a 1977 paperback copy of some Slavegirls of Gor novel as inviolate as a first edition Dickens. Simply by virtue of both being words on paper and in a binding. Which is something that, critically, I can't agree with and, emotionally, I have a box full of shitty novels still sitting in my mom's basement since high school.
Actually, I would think the Gorean Novels more likely targets of anti-free speech book burning than DiCkens, with the BDSM sub themes, and therefore even more worthy of prtection, and I dont just say that becasue I still have about 15 of the books I read in high school. Does Flea know about your secret slavegirl fantasies?Smiley: sly 'Cause latin women make collars look good.
#38 Aug 14 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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My sum total knowledge of the whole Gor thing comes from a paperback I bought for a dime at a garage sale when I was ten or so. I bought it because it had a chick with a sword and some sort of beast on the cover so it looked cool.
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#39 Aug 14 2007 at 3:08 PM Rating: Good
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Elinda wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Great Electronic Book Archiving.
Electronic?

I think there's enough room around here or maybe floating around space; perhaps the Book Repository on the moon, that we can keep an actual paper copy of each book. Electronic back up for sure.

You'd need one hell of a big rifle to shoot the president from there.
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#40 Aug 14 2007 at 4:50 PM Rating: Decent
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...or take extraordinary measures to insure its preservation until the Great Electronic Book Archiving.


Actually, I think this already happens: the publishers must have modern books they print in some kind of digital format. Of course it isn't a public archive, but at this point I doubt any copywrited text will be added to the public domain (in the US at least) until we get serious campaign finance reform.
#41 Aug 15 2007 at 2:38 AM Rating: Good
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I keep all my books. Large, heavy boxes of 'em. It's fairly ridiculous but if Mr. Tare can cart around his records, I get to have my books.
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