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#1 Aug 13 2007 at 8:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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In a story you may or may not have heard back in May, the owner of a used bookstore in Missouri staged a book burning, incinerating a portion of his stock as a protest against the decline of reading and the fact that people just aren't interested in buying books. At the time, I read a thread on another forum where you had a good number of people outraged by the notion that these books, many of them out of print or even antique, would be destroyed.

You also had those who said that people iconize the written word too much. People are loathe to destroy books simply by virtue of them being books and not because the books themselves are valuable. Even something such as the "bound report from the Fourth Pan-American Conference held in Buenos Aires in 1910" described in the article is probably more interesting in theory than in the actual practice of reading it.

I was thinking about this yesterday as Flea and I wandered around a large antique shop, filled with books of varying age and value. It also called to mind (I'm making a jump here) of another article talking about historic building preservation in Chicago. While it's hard enough to gain preservation for some ornate structure from the turn of the 19th/20th century, buildings from the 1940's and 1950's are being torn down because they are simply "old" and not antiques. As a result, architectural gems built in the Art Deco and Modern style are being destroyed with little in the ways of protection.

So, back to books, I was looking at things such as a "History of Modern Warfare" from the Vietnam through Gulf War 1 and thought "This book is pretty expendable. It's obsolete now and not old enough to have value as a curio." But, like the afore mentioned buildings, destroying it will guarantee that it never has value for its history. On the other hand, it's a shitty out-of-date book that no one with an interest in the topic would select to read over a more contemporary volume. On another shelf was a medical tome from the 1870's. While it had some amusement value for reading about what soothing liniments to apply to combat the croup, it didn't contain any medical information we don't know now. It probably didn't even contain new insights into life in the 1870's. Was it really valuable? Did its rarity make it more of a loss to destroy than the "Modern Warfare" book?

Typing this, I am a hypocrite. I have an old dictionary where the "list of presidents" ends with Johnson and the "new words for this edition" page contains "Laser" and "LSD". It's just a crappy, out of date dictionary but I hold on to it. I have old novels which could go into the bin without a loss to mankind. I still hate to do it. Maybe because, so long as the pages are there, the book is still 'useful' and it seems a shame to get rid of it.

How about you folks? Do you hold onto books long after they're "obsolete"? How do you get rid of them? Is there value in a book simply because it's a book? Should there be?

As a final note, one of my favorite bookstores, a used bookstore in a basement location, closed up. At least they went online rather than out of business but gone are the days of browsing for hidden and surprise treasures.
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#2 Aug 13 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have trash novels with basically no redeeming value at all. I can't bring myself to throw them away.

Once in a while, when the piles of books become oppressive, I'll put a couple of boxes out on the sidewalk with a "FREE BOOKS" sign and get rid of them that way.

I tend to give books away as soon as I've finished reading them to avoid just this problem.

I have a love-hate relationship with used book stores. I like browsing around, but most of the ones I've visited are just too disorganized.
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#3 Aug 13 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Good
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damn you for making this post 10 minutes before I have to leave this temple of boredom...

Although I'm afraid I can't contribute the way you would like constructivly being that my bedroom resembles a used bookstore....

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but most of the ones I've visited are just too disorganized.


yup..


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#4 Aug 13 2007 at 8:56 AM Rating: Excellent
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I can't throw away books. If it's valueless in terms of re-readability, it can still be used as book ends for other books, used to even out a wonky table, used to fill space on bookshelves until you get better books that are of the appropriate height and width that the don't make the WHOLE ROOM LOOK WRONG, or you could turn it into a case for treasure!

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#5 Aug 13 2007 at 9:00 AM Rating: Good
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I can never bring myself to throw away a book. Every so often when hubby and I have garage sales, I'll sell the books I don't want anymore (and I inevitably wish I kept a couple of them to read again) and then donate the rest to the library for their used book sale.

My most favorite used bookstore was actually pretty organized and owned by a lady who used every moment of her spare time encouraging anyone to read. She would take a lot of her old books and give them to the homeless in the hopes that they would read. But they needed the pages of the book for other purposes.
#6 Aug 13 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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We sell loads of books by the lb to pubs/restaurants etc. who want olde worlde bookshelves as decor (I even bought a set of "Butler's Lives of the Saints" coz the leather bindings look so good on the shelf)

Otherwise, we should use them to build a giant staircase to Space so we can rescue those NASA folks
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We sell loads of books by the lb to pubs/restaurants etc. who want olde worlde bookshelves as decor
Heh, I was at a country club before and leafed through a couple of their "shelf books". They seemed like fairly abysmal reads, typical potboiler fiction, redeemed only by their moderate age and fairly attractive bindings.
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#8 Aug 13 2007 at 9:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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oh and the other day on "I Want That" they had a little thing that turns a hardcover book into a shelf for other books. I love that!

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#9 Aug 13 2007 at 9:15 AM Rating: Decent
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I keep all my old books. Habit from my parents. Shoot, I think we still use a Funk and Wagnall's dictionary from the 80's when we play Scrabble.

I ended up rereading the first book of the Belgarion the other weekend after dusting off the cover.
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Samira wrote:
but most of the ones I've visited are just too disorganized.
They are, but dontcha just love the smell of used bookstores?

My son works summers at the Goodwill Retail Store. He quickly latched onto maintaining the book department. He keeps a running list (in his head I guess) of the books either his sister or I am looking for. He's actually produced on 4 titles now.

Typically I only buy used books or check them out of the library. I too, like to give books away rather quickly after reading them. Though, I still seem to have many, many books in my house???

I guess I don't have much of an issue about burning or destroying books. Certainly some contain more value than others based on the rarity, the auther the signatures etc. But, I don't find them to be sacred items or any such thing; they're simply a tool to be able to pass our thoughts and words between many peoples across time and space.

It would be nice to think that one copy of every book ever printed would be preserved somewhere forever.

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#11 Aug 13 2007 at 9:20 AM Rating: Decent
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I keep all my old books. Habit from my parents. Shoot, I think we still use a Funk and Wagnall's dictionary from the 80's when we play Scrabble.
See if you're still using it...then all is golden eh. We still use an old websters paperback for scrabble. The 'z' entries have all been dismembered from the back of the book, so z words are free-for-all. Smiley: smile

Books, as personal items, are just like any other object. Their worth is all our own. We may hang on to them or discard them or stab them or hug them or smell them or read them or stare at them...as we see fit.
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#12 Aug 13 2007 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
I too, like to give books away rather quickly after reading them. Though, I still seem to have many, many books in my house???


You could start bookcrossing them. It's like geocaching for book lovers (no GPS required).

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#13 Aug 13 2007 at 9:26 AM Rating: Good
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I too, like to give books away rather quickly after reading them. Though, I still seem to have many, many books in my house???


You could start bookcrossing them. It's like geocaching for book lovers (no GPS required).

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#14 Aug 13 2007 at 9:28 AM Rating: Decent
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Nexa wrote:
Elinda wrote:
I too, like to give books away rather quickly after reading them. Though, I still seem to have many, many books in my house???


You could start bookcrossing them. It's like geocaching for book lovers (no GPS required).

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Lol, that's a cool idea.

We have a "Take it or Leave it" book shelf here at my office. It's three shelves, about 5 feet long. Funny, people use it all the time, but it never gets over-full, nor is ever sparse.
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#15 Aug 13 2007 at 9:43 AM Rating: Excellent
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We had a bookcase like that near the elevator of my old apartment but it was constantly filled with old romance novels which, near as I could tell, never circulated.

I once dumped a crapton of old potboiler fantasy novels by the lending rack at the train station. See you in Hell, Dragonlance Preludes!
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#16 Aug 13 2007 at 9:46 AM Rating: Decent
After I finish reading a book, I stuff it into a box and get ready for a yard sale. Some of them do not make it to the yard sale due to my destructive children. If a book does not sell, I will give them to the local paper recycling plant.


It should be noted, that the majority of the books I read have thousands of copies already in print (ex. JK Rowling, Anne Rice). Knowing that they have so many in print, I have no problem throwing them away.

If, the book was an antique and there were limited number in production, it would be a different story. It would be like destroying a piece of art.
#17 Aug 13 2007 at 9:47 AM Rating: Good
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I have trash novels with basically no redeeming value at all. I can't bring myself to throw them away.


Same here. When we first moved into our house, one room was designated the library. We still call it that to this day, despite the fact we downsized from 6 to 2 bookshelves. All the books not in this room are carefully packed and stored in our closet or basement.

Every once in awhile I'll go through them and drive them over to our local library. But I just can not, no matter how awful or trashy the book may be, throw one out.
#18 Aug 13 2007 at 11:21 AM Rating: Decent
I keep all my novels because I re-read them so much unless they get so battered I can't see the words anymore (I've burnt 3 copies of the War of the Twins Trilogy. I'm sure some of you will recognize). Any text books or fiction I give to the recycling plant. It's a nice thought that I might read a book in the future made from my old books.
#19 Aug 13 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Decent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
I keep all my old books. Habit from my parents. Shoot, I think we still use a Funk and Wagnall's dictionary from the 80's when we play Scrabble.

I ended up rereading the first book of the Belgarion the other weekend after dusting off the cover.

I've wanted to get rid of my Eddings (Belgariad and Mallorean and one book from another series) for years now, but alas I've been carting them around from apartment to apartment for about ten years now. I should just put em in a bag and toss em on the doorstep of the bookstore in town like an abandoned baby.
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#20 Aug 13 2007 at 2:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I keep almost any book that has informative value as a reference (they're a tremendous pain in the *** with all the moving I do). I very rarely read books for entertainment though, and all of those that I did when I was younger are gone.

I actually keep all those books as a reference library for my work, but I rarely use them myself. They're more for other people who want more information, or if I need to default to a reputable source if it's not something I can quite trust with the internet to refresh my memory.

I actually kind of lament all of the textbooks that I sold back to the bookstore as a college student.
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I live about 20 minutes from powells Used books. The largest used book repository on the planet. There are a huge number of other used book stores in the area. It's great. I have to rotate books in and out due to space constraints, but if I had the room I would definitly have a full fledged library. But burning books? Come on. only if Kevin J Anderson wrot ethem.
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#22 Aug 13 2007 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
I keep every book I have ever read. Even the books I know I will never read again. To me it's just a matter of respect. While that may not make much sense but let's face it, people can go online and get anything they want to read and not have to pay a dime for it. Reading is one of the few things that keeps me sane. Grab a book and sit down on my own for a few hours and completely zone out.

My mother is also a librarian. Hence if I destroyed a book I probably would walk with a limp Smiley: lol
#23 Aug 14 2007 at 1:22 AM Rating: Good
I keep every book I read, unless I lose them, or give them to a mate, or forget them on the underground/plane/bench/shooting gallery. So, really, I don't keep them all, but I don't throw them away either.

Anyway, none of this matters remotely.

I think it's an incredible shame to burn/throw away books. Even old and seemingly pointless books can be extrememly valuable for research purposes. That Army Manual Joph mentionned could be of great use to future military historians. You just never know. Historically, science in Europe in the Middle Ages might have advanced a lot quicker if the Alexandria Library hadn't been repeatedly raided and its books burnt.

It's the same for historical buildings, especially in a new country like the US. Knocking down Art Deco or Art Nouveau buildings should be a crime, as anyone who's been in Barcelona can testify.

And anyway, books today are an endangered specie, like scrolls before the advent the printing press.



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#24 Aug 14 2007 at 2:59 AM Rating: Decent
When my grandfather passed away I inherited all the miscellaneous shit he had collected over they years. Besides a lot of pre WWII and WWII paraphernalia (such as **** Uniforms and effects, Imperial Japan Uniforms and effects, a really big shell casing that is dated 1912, coins, among other things) is a Moby Dick book that has a print date of 1935 (which is a guess as most of the lettering is horribly worn/smudged/etc). I'm not sure the value of the book, but there is no way I'd get rid of it. However, I'm really not going to sit down and read it's yellowed pages either, mostly because I didn't find the book all that interesting when I was required to read it(much earlier print date) in school and lastly because I can't read it due to the lettering being worn off in places.


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#25 Aug 14 2007 at 3:15 AM Rating: Good
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I have no compunction in routinely tossing books I haven't looked at in a couple of years. I keep the ones that I enjoyed, or that have some reference value to them, but when I buy a $7.99 novel at Dominick's, I know when I pay for it that that sucker'll be in the trash come next year.
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I've always lived in a house with selves jammed full of books. My family rarely gave books away, that didn't meet our literary standards, to the LWV book sale, and then come home with one or two use books to add to our collections.

When we moved my grandmother into a nursing home, my dad type up a list of all the books in the house and had all the family members, mark the ones they wanted. I ended up with 3 boxes of books. The copy of Three Little Peppers and How They Grew, needs some careful restoration, as, my grandmother was given it in 1908.

When my Ex and I moved back east in 1988, we had 40 boxes of books, with most subjects covered at least in part. We joked that if you took all the books my parents, one of my sisters and brother-in-law and our collection, we would have enough to fill a good size public library.

Jonwin is more likely to get rid of books he doesn't feel he will want to read again. Since we have similar taste in reading, there are a few duplicit around the house.

With my dad moving into a smaller place soon, I'm hoping to get a few of his book cases, to keep the books I'll be getting from him. Then my Clarence Day collection will be complete.

Since we have little room for more books, we frequent the local library and Baltimore Science Fiction Society's large collection of SF/Fantasy Horror and Manga to borrow much of what we are reading these days. Otherwise we would soon need to add more rooms jusst for all the books. A place of honor for all the sign editions and first printings, plus those books that have been past down through the generations to be read over and over again.

I plan to get a new copy of The Three Little Pepper books, so my granddaughter doesn't have to worry about ruining her great-great grandmother's books.
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