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#1 Jul 31 2007 at 8:04 AM Rating: Decent
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U.N. poised to approve new force for Darfur
UNITED NATIONS (Reuters) - The U.N. Security Council was set to authorize up to 26,000 troops and police for Sudan's Darfur region on Tuesday in an effort to quell violence in the vast arid region.

Britain and France, sponsors of the resolution, formally introduced their draft resolution late on Monday to the 15 council members, stripping the text of harsh language. A vote was expected Tuesday afternoon on a combined or "hybrid" United Nations-African Union force.

Visiting Prime Minister Gordon Brown, in a speech on development, warned Khartoum and rebels that if killings continued, "I and others will redouble out efforts to impose further sanctions."

"The message for Darfur is that it is time for change," Brown told U.N. diplomats. The threat of sanctions, however, has been deleted from the resolution's text.

Estimated to cost more than $2 billion in the first year, the operation is an effort to quell violence in Sudan's western region, where more than 2.1 million people have been driven from their homes and an estimated 200,000 have died over the last four years.

Parts of the resolution are under Chapter 7 of the U.N. Charter, which makes it mandatory. This includes taking "necessary action," a euphemism for the use of force, in self-defense of UN-AU personnel, to ensure freedom of movement of humanitarian workers as well as to protect civilians "under threat of violence without prejudice to the government's responsibilities."

China's U.N. ambassador, Wang Guangya, who had qualms about the use of force in Chapter 7, said now this provision was needed but "we have to be precise and very careful where it is applied." He said Beijing generally approved the new text.

Deleted from earlier texts was the right to "seizure and disposal" of illegal arms in violation of earlier agreements. Now the new force is to "monitor" such weapons.

Specifically, the text would authorize no more than 19,555 military personnel and 6,432 civilian police.

90 DAYS

The resolution calls on member states to finalize their contributions to the new force, called UNAMID or the United Nations-African Union Mission in Darfur, within 90 days. UNAMID would incorporate the under-equipped and under-financed 7,000 Africa Union troops now in Darfur.

Sudan, after months of hesitation, has agreed to the troop numbers but U.N. officials expect it will take a year to get the force in place. Khartoum also has to agree to allow units from individual countries into Sudan.

Infantry soldiers will be drawn mainly from African nations unless not enough Africans can be recruited. Personnel from elsewhere in the world are expected to be used for specialized engineering and in command headquarters. The United States is restricting its contribution to transporting troops to Darfur and helping to pay for the operation.

The new headquarters should be running by October 31, so U.N. members could cover costs for the African Union, as the United States had proposed.

The timetable is then staggered so the combined force will be in charge of all operations by December 31.

The new text also eliminates a specific reference to the Janjaweed, a brutal pro-Khartoum militia, blamed for rape, murder and burning villages.

The draft resolution asks Secretary-General Ban Ki-moon to report to the council every 30 days on implementation of the resolution and progress on a political settlement. The United Nations and the AU are attempting to organize a peace conference among a myriad of rebel groups and the government.
Its more than too little, too late, but at least it is better than throwing sanctions at someone. I do not believe the troop amounts are any near enough though. I would think 100K+ troops and more like 20K police would be needed considering the problems of that area.

Edited, Jul 31st 2007 2:55pm by fhrugby
#2 Jul 31 2007 at 8:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Millions dead and the region completely destabilized? Yeah, too little to late sums it up, I suppose.


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#3 Jul 31 2007 at 8:19 AM Rating: Good
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Well if the U.S. had helped earlier, everyone would have gone through the wailing and gnashing of teeth. Glad to see that the U.N. is still on top of foreign "opportunities".

Someone actually ran the SF marathon barefoot wearing nothing but shorts and a "Save Darfur" shirt. It was nice.
#4 Jul 31 2007 at 8:55 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a friend, a civil engineer, he's in Darfur right now at a refugee camp building toilets and providing clean water distribution systems (or whatever else they ask him to do) working for Doctors Without Borders (MSF).

I just got an email from him yesterday:

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I came here to find materials for the projects started in Seleah and Muhagirya. Been here since, having had my plans altered by higher authorities many times. “My plans?” I’m a fool to presume that “my” anything is relevant here. My planned trip to Feina (in the cool, beautiful mountains with vegetables, fruit and fighting) was indefinitely postponed, because I’m to build a cholera treatment center (CTC) camp here in Nyala for the outbreak anticipated by the arrival of the rainy season.

The CTC is an isolation compound with four distinct areas separated by footbaths and guards with sprayers to chlorinate hands and feet between areas. Staff area holds medical and logistical supply tents, a 15,000-liter elevated water bladder (for tanker truck refill daily) and a kitchen. Registration/triage directs patients to a short-term ORS [oral re-hydration solution (sugar/salt in water)], an hospitalized area with ORS and IVs, or a recovery ORS area.

The ORS/IV unit’s 24 beds, expandable to 48, have holes in the beds so that the watery diarrhoea can go directly into a bucket underneath. There’s also a bucket for each patient for the copious vomiting. What misses the buckets falls on plastic sheeted flooring that must drain with chlorine to a collection system. Also included within the ORS/IV unit is a burn area, waste disposal, laundry, and a mortuary for cleaning bodies. Across the four areas are spread 5 showers, 5 wash areas, 15 latrines, 4 foot baths, 4 infiltration pits for waste water, over a dozen hand wash tanks. Each of the 12 5x5-meter tents that will house the beds will have water stands and waste drainage control. Add to all of this a drainage system to channel rainwater from the wastewater systems.

I’ve spent the last 10 days developing a spatial design that shoehorns these functions into a 40 meter x 50 meter field with a minimum of concrete and material.......

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One day last week I walked for hours in Kalma camp looking at drainage that doesn’t drain. The market there has six inches of black muck across the narrow road, it splashes in the pots & pans for sale. Foul streams and puddles in every lane. Oxfam was supposed to regrade it this year, but hasn’t yet. “Can’t find a contractor willing to go to Kalma.”

I saw hundreds of kids, “ha wah gee”, “ha wah gee”, “ok, ok?” , many with snot-encrusted noses, all in rags, four year old girls with baby siblings ahip, a three year old girl squatting over an unscreened latrine in the middle of a street. One small boy was happy pulling a shoebox behind him on a bit of packing string, a couple of boys playing with clay donuts on strings, another rotating a tin can with a stick. That’s it for toys. Several hundred kids, five toys, all made out of trash.


Man, we take much for granted(!), but we are still a species full of compassion. Whether or not the world leaders see fit to establish a workable government or no...we will keep trying to help.
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#5 Jul 31 2007 at 9:31 AM Rating: Decent
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we are still a species full of compassion.


No.


Whether or not the world leaders see fit to establish a workable government or no...we will keep trying to help.


Also, no. We will, as usual, watch genocide occur and pretend to give a ****.

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As a complete aside, my nephew had a birthday a few months ago and wanted it "Army" themed which was ironic because my sister doesn't allow him to have toy guns. I told Flea that I was going to buy him an army helmet for his birthday and spraypaint it blue.

I would have done it too except that I doubted anyone at the party would have gotten the joke.
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#7 Jul 31 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Excellent
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I would have done it too except that I doubted anyone at the party would have gotten the joke.


*raises hand meekly*

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#8 Jul 31 2007 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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we are still a species full of compassion.

No.


Whether or not the world leaders see fit to establish a workable government or no...we will keep trying to help.

Also, no. We will, as usual, watch genocide occur and pretend to give a @#%^.


Sad but true.

Mind you, the first part isn't completely false though, most people do care and are compassionate, as long as they see it on the tele. As soon as it is turned off, then the compassion fades.
#9 Jul 31 2007 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
As a complete aside, my nephew had a birthday a few months ago and wanted it "Army" themed which was ironic because my sister doesn't allow him to have toy guns. I told Flea that I was going to buy him an army helmet for his birthday and spraypaint it blue.

I would have done it too except that I doubted anyone at the party would have gotten the joke.


A blue helmet and a toy magic wand would have sealed the deal.
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*raises hand meekly*
Was that an embarassed "I would have gotten it" or an embarassed "What was the joke"?

UN Peacekeepers

Edited, Jul 31st 2007 1:07pm by Jophiel
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#11 Jul 31 2007 at 10:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Nexa wrote:
*raises hand meekly*
Was that an embrassed "I would have gotten it" or an embarassed "What was the joke"?

UN Peacekeepers


We could pretend it was the first one, right!? Smiley: grin

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#12 Jul 31 2007 at 10:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Was that an embrassed "I would have gotten it" or an embarassed "What was the joke"?


I think it was more an embarrassed "you really think the rest of your family is that oblivious?"
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#13 Jul 31 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Was that an embrassed "I would have gotten it" or an embarassed "What was the joke"?


I think it was more an embarrassed "you really think the rest of your family is that oblivious?"


Mine wouldn't have gotten it either.

I don't even know where Darfur is.

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#14 Jul 31 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Mine wouldn't have gotten it either.


Hm, I highly doubt that's true.

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#15 Jul 31 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Mine wouldn't have gotten it either.


Hm, I highly doubt that's true.


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My family are fine folk but internationally politically aware, they are not.


Yes, that.

Nexa

Edited, Jul 31st 2007 2:19pm by Nexa
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Smasharoo wrote:
I think it was more an embarrassed "you really think the rest of your family is that oblivious?"
Think?

My family are fine folk but internationally politically aware, they are not.
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#17 Jul 31 2007 at 10:18 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
I think it was more an embarrassed "you really think the rest of your family is that oblivious?"
Think?

My family are fine folk but internationally politically aware, they are not.


This is a nicer way to put what I just wrote about mine.

Editing is in order.

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#18 Jul 31 2007 at 10:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Come now, I think I know both of your families better than either of you and I can say with certainty that they'd get it.

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#19 Jul 31 2007 at 10:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Come now, I think I know ... better than either of you and I can say with certainty...


Hey, you just summed up all your posts! Smiley: tongue

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#20 Jul 31 2007 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

we are still a species full of compassion.


No.


Whether or not the world leaders see fit to establish a workable government or no...we will keep trying to help.


Also, no. We will, as usual, watch genocide occur and pretend to give a @#%^.


If you discount those millions that give aid to those in need, even at great risk to themselves, you're writing off the best that we humans have to offer.

Why would you possibly want to do that?
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If you discount those millions that give aid to those in need, even at great risk to themselves, you're writing off the best that we humans have to offer.


No, I'm simply stating that "the best that we humans have to offer" is almost always a useless gesture serving one purpose: to make the gesture maker feel better about themselves.


Why would you possibly want to do that?


Because it doesn't exist. You and I and everyone else in the world knowingly let people starve to death every day because it's just not as important to us as which minor celebrity will next drive drunk.

Welcome to the human race. If you want to give up your entire net worth and dedicate all of your time to helping those in need, then you can pull these self righteous ******** posts out of your ***. Until then, you're a hypocritical asshole who doesn't want to deal with the reality of the human experience. I can't really help you much with that second one.

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Gross generalizations make for easier to read posts too.
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Gross generalizations make for easier to read posts too.


You mean like

If you discount those millions that give aid to those in need, even at great risk to themselves, you're writing off the best that we humans have to offer.

Yeah, you're right, pretty sad.

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#24 Jul 31 2007 at 10:51 AM Rating: Decent
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Welcome to the human race. If you want to give up your entire net worth and dedicate all of your time to helping those in need, then you can pull these self righteous bullsh*t posts out of your ***. Until then, you're a hypocritical assh[b]
ole who doesn't want to deal with the reality of the human experience. I can't really help you much with that second one.

...and you're a careless individual that uses being human as an excuse for being a loathsome creature that doesn't want to deal with reality.

I like my way better.

If the only help I lend to the conflict in Darfur right now amounts to few bucks on top of a few kind words sent off to a buddy in the trenches...who are you to call that hypocritical?

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nd you're a careless individual that uses being human as an excuse for being a loathsome creature that doesn't want to deal with reality.


No, moron. I accept the reality and go on with my life. I'm perfectly ok with the the fact that it's more important to me to spend $10 on a pizza then to spend the same $10 feeding starving children. I don't have any need to fucking pretend that I care deeply about people I'll never meet being slaughtered. I still care. In point of fact I almost without question care vastly more than you do. I just don't lie to myself about how much I care.


I like my way better.


Why wouldn't you. I imagine everyone who lies to themselves and lives life in a cloud of delusion prefers it that way. If not, why would they go through all that effort?


If the only help I lend to the conflict in Darfur right now amounts to few bucks on top of a few kind words sent off to a buddy in the trenches...who are you to call that hypocritical?


It is hypocritical. You're letting children die through your inaction. Sorry. You can be an accountable person and accept that you're letting children die through your inaction or you can be an asshole hypocrite and pretend that somehow what you're doing is somehow valuable. It's not. You personally have the ability to prevent the deaths of innocents and you CHOOSE to let them die instead. So do I. So does everyone on this board. That I choose not to lie to myself about it doesn't make you a better person.

Wake the fuck up.

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If you discount those millions that give aid to those in need, even at great risk to themselves, you're writing off the best that we humans have to offer.

No, I'm simply stating that "the best that we humans have to offer" is almost always a useless gesture serving one purpose: to make the gesture maker feel better about themselves.

Why would you possibly want to do that?

Because it doesn't exist. You and I and everyone else in the world knowingly let people starve to death every day because it's just not as important to us as which minor celebrity will next drive drunk.

Welcome to the human race. If you want to give up your entire net worth and dedicate all of your time to helping those in need, then you can pull these self righteous bullsh*t posts out of your ***. Until then, you're a hypocritical asshole who doesn't want to deal with the reality of the human experience. I can't really help you much with that second one.
Whoah, whoah, WHOAH there...

Are you calling Mlle Lohan a "minor celebrity?"
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