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#1 Jul 30 2007 at 4:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Bush is fostering a $20 billion dollar arms deal with the Saudis (as well as loaning them some of our war-mongering stuff to decorate thier borders). Apparently they're worried about Iraq imploding (imagine that) allowing Iran easy access.

Is this forshadowing the state of Iraq - Is it indeed imploding?

How will this impact the 'WAR ON TERROR'?

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#2 Jul 30 2007 at 4:53 AM Rating: Decent
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allowing Iran easy access.


To do what? Iran is as likely to ever invade Saudi Arabia as the US is to invade Greenland.

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#3 Jul 30 2007 at 4:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

allowing Iran easy access.


To do what? Iran is as likely to ever invade Saudi Arabia as the US is to invade Greenland.

Eh, I just report it. This is the justification given for this latest arms deal.

btw, why do you do them bolded quotes, instead of the easy-to-use 'quote clicky'?...Just wondering.
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#4 Jul 30 2007 at 5:28 AM Rating: Default
its all about the oil. once iran and or syeria have comtroll over iraq either directly or indirectly, which was ineviatable since the day we invaded, and they know it, our FRIENDLY oil suppliers will be drying up.

if saudi arabia were to fall under the influence of a hostile foreign power, adn im not talking about an invasion either, a solid deal with china could leave us out of the loop, we would be totally dependant on south america for our imports.

and chevez has more pull in that reagon than the president of the united states. imagine that. a two bit thung. shows how far we have fallen. we could be brought to our knees financially for a time.

i say for a time because with enough motivation, we COULD rid ourselves of this dependancy on oil all together. eventually we will too. but untill that time, the financial powers that be feel spending your tax dollars to make weapons to sell to saudi arabia seems like a small price to pay....for those whose pocket it doesnt come out of......to make sure the status quo is maintained for a bit longer.

it isnt as much out of fear from the iraq mess, which is how they will spinn it to you ignorant sheep, as it is to make sure it is OUR foot in their door and not someone elses. that little private battle has been going on since the first drop of oil was pumped out of the sand in the middle east. a financial battle for the for profit energy industry using our government resources to secure and win.

if you look deep enough, you MIGHT start to see the true nature of "capitolistic democracy". the only real differances between our government and a monarchy or doctatorship is we get to choose a new face person to look at every four years to make us feel like we have a choice in something. but the true power rarely ever changes hands. sometimes those face people geta big head and they have to be.....removed.....but for the most part they play their part like good little emploees.

take florida for example. Christ ran on a platform of insurance reform and property tax repeal. he even tied up congress and the legislature in the process. but, in the end, MY property taxes still increased, and MY insurance also increased.

the party line now? well, if it wasnt for their tireless efforts, it would have gone up significantly more than it did.

the lesson? the powers that be, the insurance industry, let their emploee run off at the mouth untill the election was over, then.....hahahaah, so long suckers.......

same with gay rights, immigration, stem cell research, lobbist reform and a whole slew of other issues that seem to evaporate as soon as the new goon is sworn in and has to start playing ball.

or forefathers carefully worded the constitution to make sure that wealthy people do not take rights away from the common people like they did in europe where they came from. those wealthy people have been erroding those rights ever since. doesnt it bother anyone that we almost impeached Nixon for the very same thing Bush did, but now its not a big issue?
complacency. the dumbing down of america.

the moral majority working hard for .........
#5 Jul 30 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Good
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Smasharoo wrote:
To do what? Iran is as likely to ever invade Saudi Arabia as the US is to invade Greenland.
Look, if Libya invades Burkina Faso, who knows where GW Bush's "Random Dart of Justice" will hit the "My first globe" he keeps in the oval office next to his coloUring books and wax crayons.

Don't even joke about that Shit.
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#6 Jul 30 2007 at 11:10 AM Rating: Decent
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Lord Nobby wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
To do what? Iran is as likely to ever invade Saudi Arabia as the US is to invade Greenland.
Look, if Libya invades Burkina Faso, who knows where GW Bush's "Random Dart of Justice" will hit the "My first globe" he keeps in the oval office next to his coloUring books and wax crayons.

Don't even joke about that Shit.
No joking around here!!

Greenland's got oil AND bottleable freshly-melted magnificently-aged glacier water. We might invade. Maybe...if we want.

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#7 Jul 30 2007 at 11:15 AM Rating: Good
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Lord Nobby wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
To do what? Iran is as likely to ever invade Saudi Arabia as the US is to invade Greenland.
Look, if Libya invades Burkina Faso, who knows where GW Bush's "Random Dart of Justice" will hit the "My first globe" he keeps in the oval office next to his coloUring books and wax crayons.

Don't even joke about that Shit.

The receding glaciers in greenland are revealing lots of hidden resources, we can't let them fall into the hands of those pinko commie Danes!!Smiley: motz
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Bush is fostering a $20 billion dollar arms deal with the Saudis (as well as loaning them some of our war-mongering stuff to decorate thier borders).
As I read it, it was $20bil in arms deals with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Israel and a couple other Middle Eastern nations. Not just with Saudi Arabia. Which is nothing too suprising, we've been doing the same for some time now; trading guns for diplomacy amongst the Middle Eastern nations who aren't currently calling the president the Great Satan.
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How will this impact the 'WAR ON TERROR'?
After 9/11, it was obvious that a lot of minor nations were signing up for the Global War on Terror based on the membership perks. Arms deals, favored trade status, etc. This isn't so much impacting the GWAT, it is the GWAT.

Edited, Jul 30th 2007 2:32pm by Jophiel
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#9 Jul 30 2007 at 11:43 AM Rating: Decent
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As I read it, it was $20bil in arms deals with Saudi Arabia, Egypt, Jordan, Israel and a couple other Middle Eastern nations. Not just with Saudi Arabia.
I had originally only heard the story, but if we can trust CNN the first line of the article reads:
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WASHINGTON (CNN) -- The United States is developing a proposed $20 billion, 10-year arms sales package for Saudi Arabia, a senior administration official confirmed on Saturday.
The story goes on to say we are considering selling some weaps to others as well, but sounds like that is above and beyond the deal with Saudi Arabia,,,and distrubingly, we're also going to give SA some new air-to-air missile technology.

edit: I really need to start using the 'preview message' feature.


Edited, Jul 30th 2007 9:44pm by Elinda
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The Washington Post story reads
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The Bush administration will announce next week a series of arms deals worth at least $20 billion to Saudi Arabia and five other oil-rich Persian Gulf states as well as new 10-year military aid packages to Israel and Egypt, a move to shore up allies in the Middle East and counter Iran's rising influence, U.S. officials said yesterday.

The arms deals, which include the sales of a variety of sophisticated weaponry, would be the largest negotiated by this administration. The military assistance agreements would provide $30 billion in new U.S. aid to Israel and $13 billion to Egypt over 10 years, the officials said. Both figures represent significant increases in military support.

U.S. officials said the arms sales to Saudi Arabia are expected to include air-to-air missiles as well as Joint Direct Attack Munitions, which turn standard bombs into "smart" precision-guided bombs. Most, but not all, of the arms sales to the six Gulf Cooperation Council countries -- Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Qatar, Bahrain and Oman -- will be defensive, the officials said.
So I got the nations kind of messed up but the Post reported that the $20bil was shared. Although I'm sure that Saudi Arabia gets the lion's share.

Anyway, I suppose the line "a move to shore up allies in the Middle East..." jives with my own theories -- we're just keeping everyone on our side by sharing our toys.
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#11 Jul 30 2007 at 1:40 PM Rating: Decent
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And in related news, it's been reported that France is now sending money, weapons, and military advisors to those darned rebelling colonists in the New World...


Nothing really new or surprising or even interesting about this.
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#12 Jul 30 2007 at 2:40 PM Rating: Good
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And in related news, it's been reported that France is now sending an unclaimed Airbus, five Bulgarian nurses, and a busload of performance enhancing drugs to those darned rebelling colonists in the New World...


We do what we can.

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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
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And in related news, it's been reported that France is now sending an unclaimed Airbus, five Bulgarian nurses, and a busload of performance enhancing drugs to those darned rebelling colonists in the New World...


We do what we can.

That's easy for you to say now, but if a bunch of Saudis hijack planes and fly them into the heart of your country and destroy office blocks, killing thousands, I bet you won't be smart enough to. . .

. . .sell planes, missiles and bombs to their country.

WTF?

We British and Yanks are smarter than you frawgies!
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#14 Jul 30 2007 at 2:56 PM Rating: Good
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We British and Yanks are smarter than you frawgies!


Especially when Briatin bribes Saudi Princes so that Saudi Arabia buys its arms contracts from BAE.

And we would've investigated it, except the government told us it would hurt Britain's interests. Well, duh.

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#15 Jul 30 2007 at 2:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Lord Nobby wrote:
We British and Yanks are smarter than you frawgies!


Especially when Briatin bribes Saudi Princes so that Saudi Arabia buys its arms contracts from BAE.

And we would've investigated it, except the government told us it would hurt Britain's interests. Well, duh.

Hah!

Just because that's true doesn't make. . . Oh Wait.


Anywho - How many British sailors and soldiers perished in the Falklands War at the hands of French Exocet missiles sold to Argentina by teh ebil Frrrrrench?!!!

(Can I skip the bit about the Argentine Navy being made up of old warships sold to them by the British?)
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#16 Jul 30 2007 at 3:07 PM Rating: Good
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Anywho - How many British sailors and soldiers perished in the Falklands War at the hands of French Exocet missiles sold to Argentina by teh ebil Frrrrrench?!!!


Well true, but I still we stopped selling to them after the war started, or well, soon after.

Anywho - How many "terrorists" wanted by the French were safely chilling out in Londonistan during the 90's?!!!

Ah, les diners de famille...

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#17 Jul 30 2007 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
Ah, les diners de famille...
Garcon!

Encore du cafe! C'est trop tard
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#18 Jul 30 2007 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
you frenchies are just lucky you dont have any oil, or that whole WW2 liberation thing might have gone totally differant..........your also lucky your tiny little piece of dirt just happened to be inbewteen where we were and where we wanted to be.

now only, if we could find an excuse to invade someone who 1. has oil, and 2. will like us after ward to make that whole occupation thing go a little better, and 3. wont leave us with several million destitute, homeless, hungry people we have to take care of afterwards.
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you frenchies are just lucky you dont have any oil, or that whole WW2 liberation thing might have gone totally differant..........your also lucky your tiny little piece of dirt just happened to be inbewteen where we were and where we wanted to be.

now only, if we could find an excuse to invade someone who 1. has oil, and 2. will like us after ward to make that whole occupation thing go a little better, and 3. wont leave us with several million destitute, homeless, hungry people we have to take care of afterwards.


Texas?
#20 Jul 30 2007 at 3:33 PM Rating: Good
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Texas?
No thanks. I've just eaten.

But awfully nice of you to offer
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#21 Jul 31 2007 at 12:46 AM Rating: Good
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you frenchies are just lucky you dont have any oil, or that whole WW2 liberation thing might have gone totally differant


Indeed, because oil was in such high demand in 1945...

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your also lucky your tiny little piece of dirt just happened to be inbewteen where we were and where we wanted to be.


I love it when you talk dirty, shadow... Rawr!

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