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#27 Jul 30 2007 at 8:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Elinda wrote:
It pretty much sucks.

But then, the close-minded, over-righteous defenders of 'life' have never used reasonable effective techniques in trying to spread the good word about peoples rights or responsibilites in making their own familial decisions. Nor have they ever much furthered their cause with their 'nice tactics'.




Of course they do, idiot. But those instances are much too boring for the media.
#28 Jul 30 2007 at 9:03 AM Rating: Decent
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NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
Elinda wrote:
It pretty much sucks.

But then, the close-minded, over-righteous defenders of 'life' have never used reasonable effective techniques in trying to spread the good word about peoples rights or responsibilites in making their own familial decisions. Nor have they ever much furthered their cause with their 'nice tactics'.




Of course they do, idiot. But those instances are much too boring for the media.
Lol, I liked the commercial with some tv personality where she says "I used to think abortion was ok", "but now that I'm a parent myself...blah, blah, blah".

Ok, sappy commercial, but I bet it was WAY more effective in persuading people to the cause than shooting doctors and destroying neighborhoods.

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"I used to think abortion was okay.... and now that I'm a parent, my eight closest neighbors think it should be a requirement."

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#30 Jul 30 2007 at 2:23 PM Rating: Default
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By my reading, the residents are more concerned about the tactics of screaming and shoving posters in your face than they are the actual clinic itself.


Sure. Except we don't know what question was asked of the homeowners association guy that prompted the answer he gave. Was he asked to comment on whether he liked PP setting up shop in his neighborhood?

By my reading of the article, they didn't even touch on whether the community was aware of the new PP building or how they felt about it. The reporter didn't even bother to ask (or at least didn't report on this aspect of the story). He wrote a story about how the pro-life folks will react to the PP building, and then how some in the community might react to the pro-life protests.

More to the point with regard to your statement, I don't recall anything in the story that said that those in community were "more upset" about the potential for protesting then the potential for having the PP building be there in the first place. Just because the article focuses on one thing that they don't like, and doesn't mention the other doesn't automatically mean that they actually dislike one more then the other. It just means that the writer chose to look at one and not the other.



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The tactic is fundamentally no different then the ones used by the folks sitting on the side of the road with a "shame on <companyname>! labor dispute" sign.
I've never seen such people anywhere but outside of the business they were protesting. Not hassling patrons of other businesses. I'll admit in advance that your experiences may be different but I've never seen the guy in the rat suit protesting Wal-Mart's lack of unions anywhere but outside of a Wal-mart. He didn't hang out at the McDonald's nearby and yell at me.


I'm guessing you don't live in a "conservative/republican" neighborhood then (or perhaps its a state law difference)?

I see these sorts of signs literally every single day when driving to work. They set people up along the sidwalks. Not facing the business in question, but on the street so that those driving by can see them. These are in areas where there's mixed residence/businesses (strip malls in the suburbs). While they aren't in front of people's homes, they're clearly designed to garner attention from those driving by on their way to work and *not* to distract or even in most cases be visible from the businesses they're actually protesting.

Since this protest will be in your neck of the woods, I'll defer to your experience in terms of how they do things there. This is what I see all the time though, so I don't think it's that unusual.


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Ironically, I see this backfiring more than anything else. They're not going to just "get rid" of the clinic. It's not as though Planned Parenthood is going to say "Oh shit! Protesters!" and leave a nine million dollar facility. It's more likely that people will get sick of the guys waving posters at them every time they go to the ATM and get pissed at them instead.


Depends on how it's done though. I agree that if the protest consists of a bunch of people waving signs and marching around, it likely will not work. But some signs, perhaps a billboard ad nearby, parked vans with the anti-abortion information on it designed to raise awareness within a community as to what that building over there on the other side of the parking lot is doing could be very sucessful. Obviously, this depends on how "conservative" the community really is (and what brand of conservatives as well).

It would not be the first time a local community pushed their local city hall to rezone an area to push out a business they didn't want. Happens to **** shops and strip clubs all the time.

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Finding a way to corral the protesters elsewhere is probably easier than finding a way to evict a legal business.


Might be. It really does depend on how the community reacts to discovering that the "medical center" they were told was being built on that corner lot is actually going to be performing abortions. Unfortunately, the article didn't address that angle of the story (how the community is reacting to the news that there's going to be a PP facility in their neighborhood), so we can't really do more then speculate...
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#31 Jul 30 2007 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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More to the point with regard to your statement, I don't recall anything in the story that said that those in community were "more upset" about the potential for protesting then the potential for having the PP building be there in the first place. Just because the article focuses on one thing that they don't like, and doesn't mention the other doesn't automatically mean that they actually dislike one more then the other. It just means that the writer chose to look at one and not the other.


Yeah, oddly when people want things they write to actually be read they don't make them long winded delusional diatribes that seem for all intents and purposes to be conversations a schizophrenic chimpanzee is having with his poo right before he flings it at the wall.
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I'll admit in advance that your experiences may be different but I've never seen the guy in the rat suit protesting Wal-Mart's lack of unions anywhere but outside of a Wal-mart. He didn't hang out at the McDonald's nearby and yell at me.


He was afraid he'd end up as McRat Nuggets.
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Jophiel wrote:
By my reading, the residents are more concerned about the tactics of screaming and shoving posters in your face than they are the actual clinic itself.


Sure. Except we don't know what question was asked of the homeowners association guy that prompted the answer he gave. Was he asked to comment on whether he liked PP setting up shop in his neighborhood?

By my reading of the article, they didn't even touch on whether the community was aware of the new PP building or how they felt about it. The reporter didn't even bother to ask (or at least didn't report on this aspect of the story). He wrote a story about how the pro-life folks will react to the PP building, and then how some in the community might react to the pro-life protests.

More to the point with regard to your statement, I don't recall anything in the story that said that those in community were "more upset" about the potential for protesting then the potential for having the PP building be there in the first place. Just because the article focuses on one thing that they don't like, and doesn't mention the other doesn't automatically mean that they actually dislike one more then the other. It just means that the writer chose to look at one and not the other.
Well, we could make up imaginary questions and then dream up answers that people might give to those questions.

The quote given, as it reads, shows a concern primarily for the protests. I haven't heard news of any major outcry regarding it. According to local new sources...
The Beacon News wrote:
Aurora's Planning and Development Committee approved the final plan for the medical complex on Nov. 16, 2006. The project did not require City Council approval, as the property was zoned for medical office use. The owner was listed as Gemini Office Development LLC, a subsidiary of Planned Parenthood.

Carie Anne Ergo, the city's public information officer, said the business is a legal use of the site, and city codes do not prohibit health centers in which abortions may be performed.

"I don't want to see it impinge on neighboring businesses," said Alderman Lynda Elmore, whose 10th Ward includes the complex.

She said she knows it will draw protesters. She's received a few e-mails about the development and has spoken to residents concerned with increased traffic and police activity related to protests.
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Alderman Chris Beykirch, whose 8th Ward is near the clinic site, said more than a dozen people have spoken to him about the clinic, and about half of these "understand there's nothing we can do."
So we're looking at a dozen or two people getting up in arms enough to contact their local alderman. And, judging from Elmore's statement, the concerns seem to be about protests and the related traffic and police issues, not that the clinic has been built.

Incidentally, one of the stories also mentions that the last abortion provider in Aurora left when he was evicted from his office in the medical building where he worked. But since Planned Parenthood owns their own building, I don't see that being a problem.

Edited, Jul 30th 2007 6:00pm by Jophiel
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#34 Jul 30 2007 at 6:10 PM Rating: Decent
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Joph. I'm just pointing out that the article didn't contain any quotes from any of the people living in the community asking how they felt about an abortion clinic opening up in their neighborhood. So while I'm sure the people living there will be annoyed by whatever protests are planned, it's incorrect to assume that they'll be more upset by those protests then the presense of the clinic itself.

I'd also suggest that perhaps the reason the Alderman in question had only recieved a dozen calls was because the article hadn't been written yet?
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I'd also suggest that perhaps the reason the Alderman in question had only recieved a dozen calls was because the article hadn't been written yet?


I'd suggest perhaps that he was abducted by aliens and couldn't get to a phone to check his messages.

amirite?

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#36 Jul 31 2007 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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I wonder if they need Interpreters. If they're hiring, I'm in! It would be fun to go to work with a "Protesters must not have jobs" tee, or maybe I'd go hand them flavored condoms.

What these fucknuts haven't considered is that for every pro-lifer from Aurora avoiding the Panda Express, there will also be pro-choicers making special trips to Aurora just to support it.

Edited, Jul 31st 2007 6:20am by Atomicflea
#37 Jul 31 2007 at 4:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Atomicflea wrote:
I wonder if they need Interpreters. If they're hiring, I'm in! It would be fun to go to work with a "Protesters must not have jobs" tee, or maybe I'd go hand them flavored condoms.

What these fucknuts haven't considered is that for every pro-lifer from Aurora avoiding the Panda Express, there will also be pro-choicers making special trips to Aurora just to support it.


Exactly...I wouldn't be surprised if they came out of this with *increased* business, actually.

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#38 Jul 31 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Atomicflea wrote:
I wonder if they need Interpreters. If they're hiring, I'm in! It would be fun to go to work with a "Protesters must not have jobs" tee, or maybe I'd go hand them flavored condoms.

What these fucknuts haven't considered is that for every pro-lifer from Aurora avoiding the Panda Express, there will also be pro-choicers making special trips to Aurora just to support it.


Exactly...I wouldn't be surprised if they came out of this with *increased* business, actually.

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#40 Jul 31 2007 at 7:58 AM Rating: Decent
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Did you miscarry a liquidated panda cub?


About right.
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Jophiel wrote:
Did you miscarry a liquidated panda cub?


About right.


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