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#1 Jul 24 2007 at 12:33 PM Rating: Decent
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1646133,00.html?cnn=yes wrote:
Words are powerful. In court, they can make or break a case. But just how far should the judicial system go to control them? That's the question central to one case in Lincoln, Nebraska, where a sexual assault trial has morphed into a federal case over the First Amendment rights of witnesses and, more broadly, the language surrounding rape.

The story goes back to Oct. 30, 2004, when Tory Bowen, then a 21-year-old student at the University of Nebraska, met Pamir Safi, an Army reservist, at a downtown Lincoln bar. After sharing drinks, they left the bar together, went back to Safi's apartment and engaged in sexual intercourse. Bowen says she was too drunk — and, she believes, drugged — to consent to sex. Safi says their encounter was consensual.

Because the issue at stake was one of consent, not assault, the words that Bowen and Safi chose in court to describe the incident were particularly fraught. And according to Clarence Mock, Safi's defense attorney, the term rape seethes with enough emotion to prejudice a jury and is itself a legal conclusion. Once that word is uttered, Mock says, "the skunk is in the jury box and it's hard to get the smell out."

So, when the trial began last October, Mock convinced Judge Jeffre Cheuvront to ban the words rape, victim and assailant, from the trial — including from Bowen's testimony — arguing that such words would be "unfairly inflammatory, prejudicial, and misleading." Nebraska state law holds that "evidence may be excluded if its probative value is substantially outweighed" by the potential for unfair prejudice.

Under the language restriction, Bowen testified that Safi "was inside of me and on top of me" when she regained consciousness the morning following their meeting. That trial ended in a hung jury.

Bowen says that the court's vocabulary ban hurt her credibility with the jury because she had to remain so cognizant of word choice as she testified, knowing that one mistake could result in a mistrial. "At first I just wanted a conviction," she says, "but now I want to be able to tell my testimony without language obstruction and have a jury decide."

Mock felt that the ban ensured his client a fair trial. "She, like any other witness, is subject to the rules of evidence," he says of Bowen. "To say that there is a First Amendment right of the witness to say whatever they want in a courtroom is a silly notion."

The second trial was scheduled to begin last spring. This time, Bowen refused to comply with the court-ordered language ban, which had been expanded to include the terms 'sexual assault kit' and 'sexual assault nurse.' On Bowen's behalf, protesters demonstrated outside the Lincoln courthouse, and a petition, which Bowen signed, circulated on the Internet to change Nebraska law. Because of the publicity surrounding the case, Judge Cheuvront declared a mistrial during jury selection, accusing Bowen of inciting public furor over her case. "Ms. Bowen and her friends hoped to intimidate this court and interfere with the selection of a fair and impartial jury," he wrote in his July 12 decision.

Bowen's attorney, Wendy Murphy, says her client had nothing to do with the protest, which was organized by PAVE (Promoting Awareness, Victim Empowerment), a Chicago-based advocacy group for rape victims. "She supports the protestors and is glad they are there and signed the online petition, but that's it," said Murphy in an e-mail. But since Bowen has decided to take her language-ban appeal to the federal district court, she and her lawyer have begun soliciting support from PAVE and other national advocacy groups.

It's significant that this First Amendment challenge regarding the rights of witnesses has originated in a sexual-assault case. Sex crimes, due in part to their intensely personal nature, tap into a complicated set of cultural values and historical meaning; thus, a ban on sex-crime-related words carries a different weight from one on words like 'murder' or 'embezzlement.' Michelle Anderson, an expert in sexual violence and the law, and the dean of the City University of New York Law School, notes that rulings like Cheuvront's reflect the way that the courts have traditionally viewed rape cases. "The notion that the word rape is so charged derives from an historical willingness to place a higher burden on rape victims who come forward," she says, pointing out that in the past, rape cases had required corroboration and evidence of the use of force, and instructions could be given to the jury to treat an alleged rape victim's testimony with special caution.

"It's a way of putting a thumb on the scale because often in acquaintance rape cases, the woman experiences the intercourse as rape and the man experiences it as sex," Anderson says of the language ban. "It's a way of denying the woman's ability to describe her experience as she lived it." To her, the fact that Bowen described her ordeal as simply "inside of me" was a problem because "it's so bland that it could describe what a dentist does with dentist tools to excavate a cavity." Murphy agrees: "Nobody in that courtroom was allowed to describe what happened as a crime."

The third sexual-assault trial has yet to be rescheduled, but in the meantime, Bowen hopes to eventually take her appeal from the federal district court to the U.S. Supreme Court and achieve a national standard for allowable language in the courts — one that upholds a witness's right to free speech without treading on the right of the accused to a fair trial. As Murphy put it, "There should not be a discrepancy as to the fundamental right of a witness to testify truthfully in a court of law."



Huh. I never would have guessed this could happen.
#2 Jul 24 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Excellent
Hmm. While I agree that mentioning the word rape is a huge emotional trigger for people, to outlaw the word in a RAPE trial seems like the most asinine thing I've heard in quite some time. Way to go Nebraska. Smiley: oyvey
#3 Jul 24 2007 at 12:38 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Jul 24 2007 at 12:40 PM Rating: Excellent
I'm just glad to hear someone is getting laid in Lincoln other than Wint.
#5 Jul 24 2007 at 12:43 PM Rating: Excellent
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I'm just glad to hear someone is getting laid in Lincoln other than Wint.
Who the hell is Lincoln?
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Nobby wrote:
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
I'm just glad to hear someone is getting laid in Lincoln other than Wint.
Who the hell is Lincoln?


Only slightly inferior to Flood.

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#7 Jul 24 2007 at 12:55 PM Rating: Decent


Meh, not my fault CNN is late to the game.
#8 Jul 24 2007 at 1:00 PM Rating: Default
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Brill wrote:
Hmm. While I agree that mentioning the word rape is a huge emotional trigger for people, to outlaw the word in a RAPE trial seems like the most asinine thing I've heard in quite some time. Way to go Nebraska.


I'd need a bit more information on exactly how the word was banned. If it was disallowed during testimony, that's reasonable. You're supposed to describe the events that occured and let the jury decide (in this case) if it's a "rape" or not. Using the word rape to describe what happened kinda defeats the purpose of having a trial.

If the judge banned the prosecutor from using the term in general, I'd say that's unreasonable. Afterall, the prosecutor is attempting to prove that a rape occured. It's somewhat of a ridiculous burden to prevent the prosecutor from naming the charge he's attempting to prove...
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#9 Jul 24 2007 at 1:10 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
You're supposed to describe the events that occured and let the jury decide (in this case) if it's a "rape" or not.


Oh holy hell. No, just no.

THe trial is not to determine IF a crime took place, that's the job of the police investigators otherwise the courts would be choked worse than they already are. No, the trial is to determine if the person accused of the crime (see you have to be charged with something and "He kinda stuck his thing in my hoo-ha" doesn't look too good on the motions) actually DID the crime.

Without a crime, there can't be a trial - I think that's in the Bill of Rights or some ****.

Oh wait... it all makes sense with you now.
#10 Jul 24 2007 at 2:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Bear in mind that in this case the woman had consensual sex with the man but was very intoxicated and thus it is a case of statutory rape due to too intoxicated to legaly consent, and the judge ruled that in describing the consenual sex she could not use the words rape or sexual assualt. Not to imply that he should not go to jail for years for what he did, it was just not violently forced sex like would be implied if the words rape were used to describe the acts.

Edited, Jul 24th 2007 6:36pm by fhrugby
#11 Jul 24 2007 at 4:22 PM Rating: Good
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Celcio wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You're supposed to describe the events that occured and let the jury decide (in this case) if it's a "rape" or not.


Oh holy hell. No, just no.

THe trial is not to determine IF a crime took place, that's the job of the police investigators otherwise the courts would be choked worse than they already are.


In normal trials, you'd be correct. Because in a normal trial, you're trying to figure out if the defendant "did it". You know that a crime occured and you believe that the defendant commited the crime, and the trial is used to determine if the facts prove that the defendant commited the crime.


Date rape cases are entirely different because you start out knowing that a sexual act occured between the accusor and the defendant. The prime determination to be made is whether or not the sexual act constitutes "rape" or not. Presumably, the jury should be determining this by looking at the exact action that occured, the order they occured in, the conditions of the two people, witness accounts if available, etc. They need to determine from those actions and events whether the sexual act was a rape or not.


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No, the trial is to determine if the person accused of the crime (see you have to be charged with something and "He kinda stuck his thing in my hoo-ha" doesn't look too good on the motions) actually DID the crime.


Again. He's charged with rape, but is assumed innocent. Since the matter to be decided is whether or not the sexual act was rape, it's reasonable to ban the use of the word "rape" when describing the sexual act itself IMO.

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Without a crime, there can't be a trial - I think that's in the Bill of Rights or some sh*t.


Ok. But in the case of date rapes, this means that the defendant is automatically guilty if a trial occurs. Afterall, if there wasn't a crime he wouldn't be there, right? That means it must be rape, and since he did it, he must be guilty...

You can see how this isn't exactly fair, right?

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Oh wait... it all makes sense with you now.


No. I think you, like most people on this forum, completely misunderstand my reasons for taking my positions on this issue.
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#12 Jul 24 2007 at 4:26 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Celcio wrote:
gbaji wrote:
You're supposed to describe the events that occured and let the jury decide (in this case) if it's a "rape" or not.


Oh holy hell. No, just no.

THe trial is not to determine IF a crime took place, that's the job of the police investigators otherwise the courts would be choked worse than they already are.


In normal trials, you'd be correct. Because in a normal trial, you're trying to figure out if the defendant "did it". You know that a crime occured and you believe that the defendant commited the crime, and the trial is used to determine if the facts prove that the defendant commited the crime.


Date rape cases are entirely different because you start out knowing that a sexual act occured between the accusor and the defendant. The prime determination to be made is whether or not the sexual act constitutes "rape" or not. Presumably, the jury should be determining this by looking at the exact action that occured, the order they occured in, the conditions of the two people, witness accounts if available, etc. They need to determine from those actions and events whether the sexual act was a rape or not.


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No, the trial is to determine if the person accused of the crime (see you have to be charged with something and "He kinda stuck his thing in my hoo-ha" doesn't look too good on the motions) actually DID the crime.


Again. He's charged with rape, but is assumed innocent. Since the matter to be decided is whether or not the sexual act was rape, it's reasonable to ban the use of the word "rape" when describing the sexual act itself IMO.

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Without a crime, there can't be a trial - I think that's in the Bill of Rights or some sh*t.


Ok. But in the case of date rapes, this means that the defendant is automatically guilty if a trial occurs. Afterall, if there wasn't a crime he wouldn't be there, right? That means it must be rape, and since he did it, he must be guilty...

You can see how this isn't exactly fair, right?

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Oh wait... it all makes sense with you now.


No. I think you, like most people on this forum, completely misunderstand my reasons for taking my positions on this issue.

This is not a Date Rape case, which implies forced sex with someone you are out on a date with, rather this is a Statutory Rape case, there was no force and wether the consent was legaly given is the issue.
#13 Jul 24 2007 at 4:46 PM Rating: Good
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This is not a Date Rape case, which implies forced sex with someone you are out on a date with, rather this is a Statutory Rape case, there was no force and wether the consent was legaly given is the issue.


Heh. Do you have any idea how often I've argued that exact meaning? Heck. The joke about leaving marks is because of my stance that if it's not "forced" in some way, it's not "rape". My disagreement is specifically because more and more often, we're seeing cases of what you refer to as statutory rape charged simply as "rape", despite no evidence of force (like say marks...).

I used the term as it has commonly come to be used. Also, in the article:

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"It's a way of putting a thumb on the scale because often in acquaintance rape cases, the woman experiences the intercourse as rape and the man experiences it as sex,"


The terms acquaintance rape and date rape are essentially identical in use. With the exception that date rape is specific to being on a "date", while acquaintance rape encompases rape that occurs where the victim knows her assailant (which is really just a superset of "date rape" if you think about it).

She's clearly using the term to describe a case where consent is the issue.
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