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#1 Jul 11 2007 at 9:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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The Chicago Tribune wrote:
WASHINGTON -- U.S. intelligence analysts have concluded al-Qaida has rebuilt its operating capability to a level not seen since just before the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks, The Associated Press has learned.

The conclusion suggests that the network that launched the most devastating terror attack on the United States has been able to regroup along the Afghan-Pakistani border despite nearly six years of bombings, war and other tactics aimed at crippling it.

Still, numerous government officials say they know of no specific, credible threat of a new attack on U.S. soil.

A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment called it a stark appraisal to be discussed at the White House on Thursday as part of a broader meeting on an upcoming National Intelligence Estimate.

The official and others spoke on condition of anonymity because the secret report remains classified.

Counterterrorism analysts produced the document, titled "Al-Qaida better positioned to strike the West." The document focuses on the terror group's safe haven in Pakistan and makes a range of observations about the threat posed to the United States and its allies, officials said.

Al-Qaida is "considerably operationally stronger than a year ago" and has "regrouped to an extent not seen since 2001," the official said, paraphrasing the report's conclusions. "They are showing greater and greater ability to plan attacks in Europe and the United States."
Well, good thing we're in Iraq making America safe. I'd like to say more but... well, I think the article pretty much says it all.
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#2 Jul 11 2007 at 9:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment

I hate to pull a gbaji, but... "familiar?" How familiar?

He knows about its existence?

He's actually read it?

He perused the Cliff Notes one morning while he was one the toilet?
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#3 Jul 11 2007 at 9:52 PM Rating: Decent
The Iraqi War had as much to do with counter-terrorism as it had as much as it had to do with the salinity of the ocean.

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He perused the Cliff Notes one morning while he was one the toilet?
It is the Cliff Notes version. A five page summary of a larger report.

Anyway, the article also states that other people gave the same assessment of the document. Feel free to take it as you will.
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#5 Jul 11 2007 at 10:00 PM Rating: Decent
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A counterterrorism official familiar with a five-page summary of the new government threat assessment

I hate to pull a gbaji, but... "familiar?" How familiar?

He knows about its existence?

He's actually read it?

He perused the Cliff Notes one morning while he was one the toilet?


Paper-cut familiarity :(
#6 Jul 11 2007 at 11:12 PM Rating: Good
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I would hazard a guess that Iraq, wich was previously run by Sadaam Hussein, (who was if you remember, strongly anti-fundamentalist and a bitter enemy of OBL) but has of late been run by the US, and under their admirable governance has been turned into the biggest terrorist training camp on the face of the planet, might have sumtin to do withit.

But thats just me.......

Then again, I wasnt particularly concerned about coming to grief at the hands of a terrorist a year ago, and certainly no more this year.

In fact, so unconcerned am I, that next week I'm off to Indonesia for a couple o' weeks to go surfing. Like I often do.

And you know what? I'm really looking forward to hangin with the muslims over there. Luvly welcoming folk, who know how to cook up a good dinnner and tell a good yarn.

And cheap?! I cant begin to tell ya......


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Speaking of leaked reports...
The AP, via Yahoo, wrote:
WASHINGTON - A progress report on Iraq will conclude that the U.S.-backed government in Baghdad has not met any of its targets for political, economic and other reform, speeding up the Bush administration's reckoning on what to do next, a U.S. official said Monday.
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"The facts are not in question," the official told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because the draft is still under discussion. "The real question is how the White House proceeds with a post-surge strategy in light of the report."

The report, required by law, is expected to be delivered to Capitol Hill by Thursday or Friday, as the Senate takes up a $649 billion defense policy bill and votes on a Democratic amendment ordering troop withdrawals to begin in 120 days.
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#8 Jul 12 2007 at 1:26 AM Rating: Decent
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and yet....
Bush says its not that bad

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Bush to Declare Gains in Iraq on Some Fronts

WASHINGTON, July 11 — The Bush administration will assert in the next few days that progress in carrying out the new American strategy in Iraq has been satisfactory on nearly half of the 18 benchmarks set by Congress, according to several administration officials.

But it will qualify some verdicts by saying that even when the political performance of the Iraqi government has been unsatisfactory, it is too early to make final judgments, the officials said.

The administration’s decision to qualify many of the political benchmarks will enable it to present a more optimistic assessment than if it had provided the pass-fail judgment sought by Congress when it approved funding for the war this spring.
#9 Jul 12 2007 at 1:48 AM Rating: Good
I don't know what kind of magazine Nation is, but I read thesetestimonies from US soldiers in Iraq this morning, and I had tears in my eyes. Not because of what they did, but because of how this war has completely fUcked them up. And all these guys are in their 20's, like me.

It's fUcking insane.

Here are some bits:

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"We were approaching this one house... and we're approaching, and they had a family dog. And it was barking ferociously, cause it's doing its job. And my squad leader, just out of nowhere, just shoots it... So I see this dog - I'm a huge animal lover... this dog has, like, these eyes on it and he's running around spraying blood all over the place. And like, you know, what the hell is going on? The family is sitting right there, with three little children and a mom and a dad, horrified. And I'm at a loss for words."


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"I'll tell you the point where I really turned... [there was] this little, you know, pudgy little two-year-old child with the cute little pudgy legs and she has a bullet through her leg... An IED [improvised explosive device] went off, the gun-happy soldiers just started shooting anywhere and the baby got hit. And this baby looked at me... like asking me why. You know, 'Why do I have a bullet in my leg?'... I was just like, 'This is, this is it. This is ridiculous'."


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"Here's some guy, some 14-year-old kid with an AK47, decides he's going to start shooting at this convoy. It was the most obscene thing you've ever seen. Every person got out and opened fire on this kid. Using the biggest weapons we could find, we ripped him to shreds..."


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"I guess while I was there, the general attitude was, 'A dead Iraqi is just another dead Iraqi... You know, so what?'... [Only when we got home] in... meeting other veterans, it seems like the guilt really takes place, takes root, then."


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"The frustration that resulted from our inability to get back at those who were attacking us led to tactics that seemed designed simply to punish the local population..."

Sergeant Camilo MejÃa, 31, from Miami, National Guardsman, 1-124 Infantry Battalion, 53rd Infantry Brigade. Six-month tour beginning April 2003


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"I just remember thinking, 'I just brought terror to someone under the American flag'."

Sergeant Timothy John Westphal, 31, of Denver, 18th Infantry Brigade, 1st Infantry Division. In Tikrit on year-long tour beginning February 2004


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"A lot of guys really supported that whole concept that if they don't speak English and they have darker skin, they're not as human as us, so we can do what we want."

Specialist Josh Middleton, 23, of New York City, 2nd Battalion, 82nd Airborne Division. Four-month tour in Baghdad and Mosul beginning December 2004


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"I felt like there was this enormous reduction in my compassion for people. The only thing that wound up mattering is myself and the guys that I was with, and everybody else be damned."

Sergeant Ben Flanders, 28, National Guardsman from Concord, New Hampshire, 172nd Mountain Infantry. In Balad for 11 months beginning March 2004



This is war.

And yet, we've still got people defending it all by saying it didn't matter if Saddam was wearing women's underwear, or had WMDs or not...



Edited, Jul 12th 2007 9:51am by RedPhoenixxx
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#10 Jul 12 2007 at 3:17 AM Rating: Good
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Jesus, that saddens me. I understand that in a battle, you have to kill or be killed, but the fact that they won't even have adequate psychological follow-up when they come home just breaks my heart.
#11 Jul 12 2007 at 4:07 AM Rating: Good
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The dog story and the lil 2 year old witha bullet in the leg story that got me. Smiley: cry

'Cos I got a dog and a 2 year old.

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And yet, we've still got people defending it all by saying it didn't matter if Saddam was wearing women's underwear, or had WMDs or not...


Yeah, that's whats so fuctup......
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#12 Jul 12 2007 at 6:24 AM Rating: Good
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The thing people REALLY don't like to bring up is the fact al-qaeda's game plan all along was to get the United States involved in a situation much like Iraq.

Stuck in darl al-islam fighting an insurgent group. Worse than Israel invading Lebanon and achieving f'uck all.

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#13REDACTED, Posted: Jul 12 2007 at 10:26 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) As opposed to ignoring the muslim threat which led to 911?
#14 Jul 12 2007 at 10:30 AM Rating: Good
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The thing people REALLY don't like to bring up is the fact al-qaeda's game plan all along was to get the United States involved in a situation much like Iraq.


As opposed to ignoring the muslim threat which led to 911?

If only Democrats cared enough about the soldiers to support victory. Bunch of pinko commy p*ssies.

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So why didn't we invade Saudi, gobShite??
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#15 Jul 12 2007 at 10:31 AM Rating: Decent
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As opposed to ignoring the muslim threat which led to 911?


You mean what we actually did? It's funny to think of Bin Laden eating Hummus in his Islamabad penthouse cackling gleefully.

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#16 Jul 12 2007 at 10:44 AM Rating: Good
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So why didn't we invade Saudi


well they're one of our primary Allies in the region of course. Just that because they also happen to be one of the leading sources of terrorist funding, and their views on civil rights are pretty much a odds with 90% of America shouldn't be held against them.

After all they couldn't possibly be as totalitarian a government as Iraq
#17 Jul 12 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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[quote]the muslim threat


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[quote]the muslim threat


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[quote]the muslim threat


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#18 Jul 12 2007 at 10:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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well they're one of our primary Allies in the region of course.
Ignoring the Ovaltine Secret Decoder Ring message, I'll point out that Pakistan is one of our "primary allies" in the War on Terror as well.

So how's that working out for us?
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#19 Jul 12 2007 at 11:05 AM Rating: Decent
According to todays report, just freaking great aparently.

We should be able to hear all kinds of things about how important being tough on terrorist is during the general election...

Oh you mean how well are we doing at defeating the terrorist?
#20 Jul 13 2007 at 4:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Um... War is hell folks. Always has been.

It's not like those same sorts of sentiments and comments haven't appeared during every single conflict this nation has ever been involved in. Yeah. That's war. Yeah. It sucks.

Doesn't change the issue of whether the decision was right or what we should do going forward one bit.


Oh. And one more thing. Isn't this like the 20th time that specific bits of a "yet to be released" secret report have been leaked to the media? Didn't the last 20 times turn out to be overblown and skewed? I'd not put a lot of weight in this. At the very least you might be a bit suspicious that the only leaks *ever* are the ones where the jist is that the Bush administration is failing at whatever it is the report is about?


Edited, Jul 13th 2007 5:20pm by gbaji
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#21 Jul 13 2007 at 4:42 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Isn't this like the 20th time that specific bits of a "yet to be released" secret report have been leaked to the media? Didn't the last 20 times turn out to be overblown and skewed?
Do you have specifics or is this one of those "make things up" moments?
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Isn't this like the 20th time that specific bits of a "yet to be released" secret report have been leaked to the media? Didn't the last 20 times turn out to be overblown and skewed?
Do you have specifics or is this one of those "make things up" moments?


Just reach back and think about how many times you've posted virtually the same sort of story before Joph. It's not rocket science...


Do I really need to point them out? I'd think anyone who's read this forum for any number of years now would recognize that the "news report from anonymous source about contents of classified report that bodes badly for Bush's strategy" isn't exactly an uncommon thread starter.
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#23 Jul 13 2007 at 5:32 PM Rating: Good
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Do I really need to point them out?
Yes. Please do. Find me at least a handful of leaked reports discussed on the forums here which have proven to be unsubstantiated. I'm not even asking for twenty, but let's see enough to make a case.
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#24 Jul 13 2007 at 10:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Um... War is hell folks. Always has been.


Spoken like a true member of the '31st Fighting Keyboard Squadron. Huu-Ahhh!

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For that matter, what kind of response is "War is hell" when mentioning that the standard bearer of the enemy in our "war on terror" is as strong today as he was in 2001? Unless he means "We're doing a hell of a bad job at stopping Al'Qaeda".
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gbaji wrote:

It's not like those same sorts of sentiments and comments haven't appeared during every single conflict this nation has ever been involved in. Yeah. That's war. Yeah. It sucks.


After five years of war the enemy is as strong or stronger than he was on day one. Considering that that the only other war in US history about which a similar statement can be made was the one we lost, it pretty much confirms the Bush strategy is, has been and will continue to be a monumental flop.

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Doesn't change the issue of whether the decision was right or what we should do going forward one bit.


Not if you're an ostrich with your head in the sand, no.
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