Forum Settings
       
Reply To Thread

Wine ThreadFollow

#27 Jul 10 2007 at 10:42 AM Rating: Good
***
3,118 posts
Quote:
So, the older the smoother?

Depends on the wine. Some mellow out with age and some turn to vinegar or turpentine.

Bolla; Valpolicella: It's a table wine so it's best to drink it when it's young. Not worth putting up a case or two and don't bother buying it if it's more than a couple years old (at most). Also, don't confuse it for the Amarone which is considerably more expensive, but also a much better wine.

Shooting Star; Syrah: Not really much of a syrah man myself, but I've taken a shining to this particular brand. Inexpensive and tasty, goes good with both stuff and things.
#28 Jul 10 2007 at 10:48 AM Rating: Excellent
Nexa
*****
12,065 posts
Jacobsdeception the Sly wrote:
Inexpensive and tasty, goes good with both stuff and things.


mmm, I love stuff...things I usually pass on, but every now and then I get a real craving for them.

Nexa
____________________________
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.”
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
#29 Jul 10 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
***
3,118 posts
http://www.localwineevents.com/Miami-Wine/

You can probably find something there you like. You can find free tastings at many wine shops and/or restaurants. You can also get tickets for stuff like from the link above. They generally feed you there and the food is usually pretty good. Also, if you head to disney (if that's kinda close to miami) and they have wine tastings at some of the shops @Epcot. Look online for food and wine festivals, vineyards love to give away wine at those things and you will probably be ********* and stuffed to the gils with tasty vittles when you leave.
#30 Jul 10 2007 at 11:29 AM Rating: Excellent
Avatar
******
29,919 posts
So do you want some cheese with that wine? Huh, do you? Do you!!!! Oh. You do? Well nevermind then!
____________________________
Arch Duke Kaolian Drachensborn, lvl 95 Ranger, Unrest Server
Tech support forum | FAQ (Support) | Mobile Zam: http://m.zam.com (Premium only)
Forum Rules
#31 Jul 10 2007 at 12:25 PM Rating: Decent
*****
10,755 posts
It's far too hot to just sip red wines without pairing, pick up a slightly chilled Sauvignon Blanc or Pouilly Fume, a close cousin.

Readily available and affordable, Blackstone Merlot, Chateua Souverain, Bodega Norton Malbec, any Ravenswood Zin (the VB is probably the most available), and gulp, Charles Shaw. Firesteed Pinot Noir and Central Coast Cali Pinots. All common to find and pretty reliable.

Nothing beats a $2 bottle, because after 3 glasses, it all tastes the same.

The vintage you will be buying in the stores won't make a ton of difference unless they have actually aged it for you, given that every vintage is completely different. Find a good wine you love, buy the hell out of that vintage, and enjoy for years as a staple to fall back onto.

The only wines worth aging imo are heavy reds, 10 yrs for cabs/meritages, 5-7 for Merlots and Zins, 3-5 for a Pinot Noir.

Serve all slightly chilled, reds for a couple of minutes, store with the cork the right side back in, in the fridge. All those gadgets that suck air out and drop in heavy gases don't make a ton of difference. My personal philosophy, don't open a bottle you aren't willing to finish.

Most of all, try everything once. You never know what a new country, region, etc will hold. That's the fun of it.
#32 Jul 10 2007 at 12:29 PM Rating: Good
**
403 posts
http://www.ste-michelle.com/

Their 2002 merlot is good.
#33 Jul 10 2007 at 1:31 PM Rating: Good
I have rarely been disappointed with [link=www.cuvaison.com]Cuvaison[/link]. I am not a white wine drinker, so their Chard, while reportedly very tasty, is not something I have firsthand experience with. Their Cabs and Merlots, however, are quite tasty.

My favorite wine is not available at retail, V. Sattui, but they are more than worth the price of admission. Their 96 Morisoli cabernet is one of the better wines I have ever had, and that vinyard turns out great wine year after year. Their Zins are also fabulous, and as a rule I would recommend anything they pour without reservation, with the understanding that you get what you pay for. If you are ever in the Napa Valley, stop by their winery in St. Helena. You won't regret it. It is the only place I have ever recommended as a must stop at winery, and I have been to over 300 wineries in the valley and surrounding area.

If you want a good table wine, not shabby for $10 a bottle, try Coppola's Rosso. Let it breath and it should be nice and tasty with a meat meal.

A word on wine's age and handling. A young wine simply hasn't had enough time to mature. Reds, good reds, really need at least 3 years to be drinkable. Pinot Noirs are a little less, Cabs and Zins a little longer. Table wines will never really mature, so pop the cork, give it 30 minutes of open air (decanted, please), and get sloppy. White wines are totally different, and I have no opinion on any but Sauvignon Blancs. WHITE WINE SHOULD NOT BE THE TEMPERATURE OF A REFRIGERATOR!!!!

Let any red you drink breath. Young wines to mellow the tanins, older wines to let them bloom a bit. You'll enjoy them more, trust me.

You can find great bottles for less than $20. You will drink a lot of sh;t to find them, but they are there. You can drink a lot of sh;t for more than $20 a bottle, too, but you will find fewer on average.

I grew up in Napa, so I focus mostly on California wines, but there are a lot of international wines out there that are really f'ucking good, too, I just know fewer of them.
#34 Jul 10 2007 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
Ministry of Silly Cnuts
*****
19,524 posts
I endorse all of Moe's sentiments, and my pilgrimage to Napa still awaits me.

But breathing wines? Do people still do that with wines made after 1970?

When they added a little bit of sulphur to the cork to avoid the wine turning to vinegar and 'corking' it was essential to lose the 'brimstone' flavoUr. But they don't do that now.

Unless it's a 30 year old vintage, none of the sommeliers I use bother with 'breathing' any more. UK, France or Italy.

I'll bow to Moe as he seem to know more about this than I, but in London & Paris, nobody does it with wines below the $100-a-bottle or aged wines any more
____________________________
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#35 Jul 10 2007 at 1:54 PM Rating: Decent
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts

Unless it's a 30 year old vintage, none of the sommeliers I use bother with 'breathing' any more. UK, France or Italy.

I'll bow to Moe as he seem to know more about this than I, but in London & Paris, nobody does it with wines below the $100-a-bottle or aged wines any more


Decanting and aerating even $10 Reds make a big difference in the end result. Not big enough to bother with most of the time, grant you, but certainly noticable.

____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#36 Jul 10 2007 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
*****
10,755 posts
Smasharoo wrote:

Unless it's a 30 year old vintage, none of the sommeliers I use bother with 'breathing' any more. UK, France or Italy.

I'll bow to Moe as he seem to know more about this than I, but in London & Paris, nobody does it with wines below the $100-a-bottle or aged wines any more


Decanting and aerating even $10 Reds make a big difference in the end result. Not big enough to bother with most of the time, grant you, but certainly noticable.



Yep.
#37 Jul 10 2007 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
Ministry of Silly Cnuts
*****
19,524 posts
Smasharoo wrote:
[b]Decanting and aerating even $10 Reds make a big difference in the end result. Not big enough to bother with most of the time, grant you, but certainly noticable.


Hmm. Yet to be convinced. First time I paid more than 50 quid for a bottle of red I was horrified that the Sommelier opened it at the table and poured straight away.

When I asked about breathing it, he looked down his nose at me and said "Sir still holds the 1960s in affection?"

In the last 10 years I've never seen a sommelier (and no, I don't mean wine waiter) breathe red wines.
____________________________
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#38 Jul 10 2007 at 2:03 PM Rating: Excellent
Nexa
*****
12,065 posts
Nobby wrote:
Smasharoo wrote:
[b]Decanting and aerating even $10 Reds make a big difference in the end result. Not big enough to bother with most of the time, grant you, but certainly noticable.


Hmm. Yet to be convinced. First time I paid more than 50 quid for a bottle of red I was horrified that the Sommelier opened it at the table and poured straight away.

When I asked about breathing it, he looked down his nose at me and said "Sir still holds the 1960s in affection?"

In the last 10 years I've never seen a sommelier (and no, I don't mean wine waiter) breathe red wines.


Lots of snobs like **** I don't.

Nexa
____________________________
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.”
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
#39 Jul 10 2007 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts

In the last 10 years I've never seen a sommelier (and no, I don't mean wine waiter) breathe red wines.


Me either. On the other hand I've decanted wine and left it for three hours and then had a bottle from the same case and it tastes entirely different. Particularly less mature wines. I tend to find it actually less of an issue with wines that are close to peaking. So maybe he was on about that. I don't think letting wine breathe in bottle accomplishes much from a taste or physics standpoint, but decanting it to a container where more oxygen can hit it really seems to make a difference. Also I'm the last guy to do something for traditions sake, if I thought it tasted the same, or even fairly close, I wouldn't bother. Even thinking it makes a fair difference I often don't bother anyway.
____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#40 Jul 10 2007 at 2:15 PM Rating: Good
Ministry of Silly Cnuts
*****
19,524 posts
Nexa wrote:
[quote=Nobby]Lots of snobs like sh*t I don't.

Nexa
My point.

I don't breathe wines any more. My favoUrite wines are less than 10 quid a bottle.

I appreciate the expensive ones (usually when some other sap is paying) and would almost certainly fail at a blind tasting between a $200 Chablis and a $5 dry Chardonnay.

I'm just saying that some highly paid wine experts have told me that breathing wines was only necessary/effective back when you needed to let the preservatives (that are no longer used) evaporate.

Of course a good sedimented Barolo needs decanting, but beyond that, my palate can't see any benefit from waiting before drinking.
____________________________
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#41 Jul 10 2007 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
You probably can't find this locally, but The Biltmore Estate makes wonderful red wines and sparkling wines. I prefer dry red wines to the fruity sweet stuff. Their affordable, my favorite from them is their sparkling Méthode Champenoise Blanc de Noir–Brut. It's great w/a cheese and fruit platter (brie, strawberries, and some dark chocolate) /yummy
#42 Jul 10 2007 at 2:19 PM Rating: Good
*****
10,564 posts
http://www.evolutionwine.com/

My very limited wine experience is nothing to take notice of, but this wine I was blown away by when I tried it a couple weeks ago. It is rather unique, also called Lucky Number 9, because it has a combination of 9 grapes in it. If you find a place that has it, it is well worth trying at least.
____________________________
◕ ‿‿ ◕
#43 Jul 10 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Decent
*****
10,755 posts
Nobby wrote:
Nexa wrote:
[quote=Nobby]Lots of snobs like sh*t I don't.

Nexa
My point.

I don't breathe wines any more. My favoUrite wines are less than 10 quid a bottle.

I appreciate the expensive ones (usually when some other sap is paying) and would almost certainly fail at a blind tasting between a $200 Chablis and a $5 dry Chardonnay.

I'm just saying that some highly paid wine experts have told me that breathing wines was only necessary/effective back when you needed to let the preservatives (that are no longer used) evaporate.

Of course a good sedimented Barolo needs decanting, but beyond that, my palate can't see any benefit from waiting before drinking.


I've found that just a couple minutes to let a cheaper red breathe helps to "open" the wine and get rid of some of the bitterness.
Maybe I've been bamboozled, but Smiley: twocents
#44 Jul 10 2007 at 2:26 PM Rating: Good
Ministry of Silly Cnuts
*****
19,524 posts
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
I've found that just a couple minutes to let a cheaper red breathe helps to "open" the wine and get rid of some of the bitterness.
Maybe I've been bamboozled, but Smiley: twocents
In which case, your palette > my palette. I bow.

Ooh - nobody's mentioned Champagne.

(And I hate it when Yanks say 'French Champagne'. Sure, Cali makes some nice sparkling white Pinot Noirs, but Champagne is from Champagne. Champagne is French)

Again, I'm an inverse snob. I can be offeredbottles of Krug or Cristal at 2-300 pounds in Chelsea Wine Bars, but give me a 20 quid bottle of Lanson Brut any time.
____________________________
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#45 Jul 10 2007 at 2:28 PM Rating: Decent
*****
10,755 posts
I've always love Veuve Cliquot or even White Star. Hell, The Doggfather himself keeps his fridge stacked to the tizzle with it.
#46 Jul 10 2007 at 2:29 PM Rating: Good
Gurue
*****
16,299 posts
But... it's really hard to let a box of wine breath. Smiley: frown
#47 Jul 10 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Good
Ministry of Silly Cnuts
*****
19,524 posts
NephthysWanderer the Charming wrote:
I've always love Veuve Cliquot or even White Star. Hell, The Doggfather himself keeps his fridge stacked to the tizzle with it.
OK. Granted, I don't mind paying over the odds for Cliquot.

oh, for a spicy white, ice-chilled and peppery, Portugal's 'Vinho Verde' is yummy if you find a nice one.
____________________________
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#48 Jul 10 2007 at 2:33 PM Rating: Decent
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts


(And I hate it when Yanks say 'French Champagne'


In all seriousness, I've never, ever heard anyone say that. I've heard people refer to California wines as "Champagne" but literally never heard the term "French Champagne".
____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

#49 Jul 10 2007 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
Ministry of Silly Cnuts
*****
19,524 posts
Smasharoo wrote:


(And I hate it when Yanks say 'French Champagne'


In all seriousness, I've never, ever heard anyone say that. I've heard people refer to California wines as "Champagne" but literally never heard the term "French Champagne".
Perchance it's an Oklahomianism
____________________________
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
#50 Jul 10 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
I'm guilty of calling sparkling wines Champagne. Not because I don't know the difference, but because if I say sparkling wine in NC someone is gonna bring back Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill >.<
#51 Jul 10 2007 at 2:39 PM Rating: Decent
Lunatic
******
30,086 posts

Not because I don't know the difference, but because if I say sparkling wine in NC someone is gonna bring back Boone's Farm Strawberry Hill


I drank sparkling strawberry wine just recently, because I'm just that polite.

I was assured, though, that it was the good kind.

:)



Edited, Jul 10th 2007 6:40pm by Smasharoo
____________________________
Disclaimer:

To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.

Reply To Thread

Colors Smileys Quote OriginalQuote Checked Help

 

Recent Visitors: 291 All times are in CST
Anonymous Guests (291)