http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/idUKL0922793720070709?src=070907_1206_TOPSTORY_civil_war_threats
For those advocating a "chop it up into three countries" solution for Iraq, this would be one of about thousand reasons it would never work. My only hope is that if they do push across the border they'll all look like that fat sloppy guard from Midnight Express.
BAGHDAD (Reuters) - The Turkish army has 140,000 soldiers along its border with northern Iraq as part of a "great mobilization", Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshiyar Zebari said on Monday.
Turkey's armed forces have urged its government to allow an incursion into neighboring, mainly Kurdish, northern Iraq to crush up to 4,000 Turkish Kurdish militants who use the region as a base to attack security and civilian targets inside Turkey.
Rumors of a possible Turkish incursion have rattled financial markets and have drawn warnings from the United States, Ankara's NATO ally, to stay out of Iraq.
"There is a great mobilization on Iraq's northern international border that the security services and intelligence (agencies) estimate at more than 140,000 military personnel with all sorts of equipment," Zebari told a news conference.
Asked to confirm the number, Zebari, who is himself a Kurd, said it was 140,000.
While Turkey has not said how many troops had been sent to the border, it had been believed to be in the tens of thousands.
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I think, on the surface, partition of Iraq has it's points. But I agree that international pressures wouldn't allow it (both militarily and financially).
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
I think, on the surface, partition of Iraq has it's points.
Honestly, I find it's primary merit that it's easy for people watching news shows to understand and say "hey, yeah, that makes sense, lets do that!" Not implying you, there, but that's honestly the only reason I think it's had any legs from politicians. Biden is by far the worst in this regard. He knows damn well it has no chance of ever happening, but he mentions it constantly to good effect in the press as a "solution".
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Smasharoo wrote:
Not implying you, there, but that's honestly the only reason I think it's had any legs from politicians.
But I know it's nowhere near that easy for numerous reasons.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
But it worked so flawlessly in the Balkans!
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Worked for Czechoslovakia! 
Belkira wrote:
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Problem is that 90% of the oil is under only one of three's "houses".
fhrugby the Sly wrote:
Problem is that 90% of the oil is under only one of three's "houses".
We call that one!
When we Imperialist white trash created Iraq, we bundled the Kurds in with the Sunna, Sh'ia and Marsh Arabs, but made a whoopsie by cutting Kurdistan in 2 and leaving half in turkey.
The only major fly in the ointment of partition is that Turkey and a new 'Kurdistan' would kick off. The Iraqi kurds would definitely want to partition southern Turkey. (The return of Son of Gallipolli #2 rides again - the sequel)
Otherwise it allows the establishment of separate caliphates that can move from suicide bombings to spitting olive-pips across the borders at each other and shagging each others' goats/daughters/melons.
The only major fly in the ointment of partition is that Turkey and a new 'Kurdistan' would kick off. The Iraqi kurds would definitely want to partition southern Turkey. (The return of Son of Gallipolli #2 rides again - the sequel)
Otherwise it allows the establishment of separate caliphates that can move from suicide bombings to spitting olive-pips across the borders at each other and shagging each others' goats/daughters/melons.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
Smasharoo wrote:
Honestly, I find it's primary merit that it's easy for people watching news shows to understand and say "hey, yeah, that makes sense, lets do that!" Not implying you, there, but that's honestly the only reason I think it's had any legs from politicians. Biden is by far the worst in this regard. He knows damn well it has no chance of ever happening, but he mentions it constantly to good effect in the press as a "solution".
See bolded part to explain italicized part. Not that complicated really. He says it because he knows that most of the couch-sitting, TV-watching, politically ignorant public will think he's a genius for having suggested it.
Just watch Bill Maher sometime. It's almost embarassing to watch him gush about this idea on his show only to have every actual expert who ever appears on his show tell him it's a moronic idea. But hey! The audience cheers. Which I suppose is the point...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Well thanks for that clarification of a concept that was already explicitly explained in the post you quoted.
trickybeck wrote:
Well thanks for that clarification of a concept that was already explicitly explained in the post you quoted.
Yeah. Scary part is that odds are even after the clarification, you'll still think "Well, that Biden guy really does have a point... the next time you hear the idea presented".
It's a Pavlovian thing really. Biden (unfortunately) "gets it". It would be wonderful if the world was full of people who actually thought things through and made decisions based on an analysis of the facts at hand. But then, if that were true, there'd be no Liberals around for me to argue with...
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
Uh, okay. Good talk we had there.
Edited, Jul 9th 2007 10:31pm by trickybeck
Gbaji, I just thought you'd like to know that Smash explained quite clearly in two sentences what took you two posts consisting of several paragraphs.
Now quote this post and tell me all the many ways that I'm wrong or inaccurate.
Now quote this post and tell me all the many ways that I'm wrong or inaccurate.
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Yes, easy answers. I sigh even saying those three words. None-the-less this defines EVERYTHING when it comes to the intellectual areas of psychology and sociology. They want easy answers, and they get them. That's reality.
I agree that partitioning Iraq is an awful solution.
But the flip side is that lots of people, even within Iraq, are pushing for it. Even today, Iraq is a de facto federation, with increasing autonomy for some parts. Such as the Kurds. Hence the Turks getting pissed off.
So, the Kurds are pushing for independence, or at least autonomy that would basically amount to independence.
And the Shias and Sunnis are getting increasingly violent towards each other. Even if this violence is the work of a few nutcases on each side, all these massacres, mosques bombing, market explosions, death squads, etc, are causing huge rifts between the different groups. And these rifts will take a long time to heal.
Long enough for the country to hold together until they forgive and forget? Is that even possible? Especially when you had Iran and Syria's influence in the mix?
So while this is a bad solution, it might unfortunately be the outcome, despite ourbest efforts to hold this country together.
But the flip side is that lots of people, even within Iraq, are pushing for it. Even today, Iraq is a de facto federation, with increasing autonomy for some parts. Such as the Kurds. Hence the Turks getting pissed off.
So, the Kurds are pushing for independence, or at least autonomy that would basically amount to independence.
And the Shias and Sunnis are getting increasingly violent towards each other. Even if this violence is the work of a few nutcases on each side, all these massacres, mosques bombing, market explosions, death squads, etc, are causing huge rifts between the different groups. And these rifts will take a long time to heal.
Long enough for the country to hold together until they forgive and forget? Is that even possible? Especially when you had Iran and Syria's influence in the mix?
So while this is a bad solution, it might unfortunately be the outcome, despite our
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