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#1 Jul 09 2007 at 5:48 AM Rating: Good
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FAIRFIELD, Conn. --For sale: $1 property surrounded by Long Island Sound off the coast of Fairfield. Must be able to cope with possible haunting.
The U.S. General Services Administration is seeking a buyer for the Penfield Lighthouse, which was built in 1874 about 1.1 miles from Fairfield Beach and is said to be the site of strange occurrences following the drowning of lighthouse keeper Frederick Jordan in 1916.

The agency is offering the lighthouse for $1 in "as is" condition to local, state or federal government agencies or nonprofit organizations. Those interested will have to submit an application identifying their proposed uses of the lighthouse, besides that of a navigational beacon, and how they will pay for that use and maintenance.

Fairfield First Selectman Kenneth Flatto said the town is very interested in acquiring the property, which is listed on the National Register of Historic Places.

"Obviously, the first choice would have been for the federal government to continue to take care of the lighthouse," he said. "But since they want to dispose of it, the town feels obligated that we want to save it."

The town is looking into how much it would cost to fix and maintain the property, and how it could pay for it. It has also talked with the Fairfield Historical Society and Fairfield Beach Residents Association about their helping with maintenance.

The 51-foot-tall lighthouse sits on a concrete foundation surrounded by rocks. It is attached to a two-story keeper's residence made with granite and timber frames.

According to a 2004 report by the town of Fairfield, the foundation, structure and roofs were in good condition, but the wood framing that supports a balcony around the light tower needs major repairs.

There is also asbestos tiles on the floor, lead paint on the walls, mold on all levels and decaying brick and mortar in the basement, the report said.

The last repairs were done in 2003, the U.S. Coast Guard said.

There is also the reported haunting to deal with. According to legend, Jordan drowned in December 1916 when his boat capsized near the lighthouse and appeared as a ghost two weeks later to his assistant, Rudolph Iten, the Connecticut Post reported Sunday.

Iten took over for Jordan after his death. In his log, Iten wrote that Jordan's apparition glided down the tower's stairs and disappeared into darkness. Iten then found the keeper's log opened to the page that documented Jordan's death, the Post reported.

Iten also reported that the lighthouse's light began "behaving strangely" when Jordan's apparition appeared.

In the strangest folk tale, two boys who were rescued after their boat capsized near the lighthouse in 1942 identified Jordan as their rescuer after seeing his photograph.

Jeremy D'Entremont, who wrote "The Lighthouses in Connecticut," said many lighthouses have ghost stories, but the Penfield Lighthouse's tales are more believable because they are based on a well-documented death.

D'Entremont said other lighthouse keepers reported seeing Jordan's ghost over the years, and Iten had them sign affidavits about what they witnessed.

He said it may be difficult for the new owners to raise money for repairs and maintenance because the lighthouse is offshore.

"You have to be creative. You kind of have to bring the lighthouse to the community," D'Entremont said. "I really wish the (federal) government could set up a fund that would help with the maintenance of these lighthouses."


Besides being offshore, filled with Asbestos, and needing major repairs, it's a good deal. We could pony up and make us a clubhouse! Smiley: grin
#2 Jul 09 2007 at 6:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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If I had the money, I'd love a lighthouse. Not so much a haunted one though.

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Well, he seems to be the "Saving Children & Going About His Job" style ghost instead of the "Vengeful Wraith Devouring the Souls of All Who Enter" flavor. So I could go with a ghost. He could watch Joph Jr. while I'm at work during the day.
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#4 Jul 09 2007 at 7:43 AM Rating: Good
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If I recall correctly, this was a lighthouse investigated by Taps (The Atlantic Paranormal Society), one of the few investigators who go out to alleged haunted locations after being asked to investigate by the owners and try to find scientific, logical explanations for things that go bump in the night. Jason Hawes, one of the founders, is notorious for refusing to say a place is haunted unless enough activity happens that they can capture it on film that they can not debunk in any way/shape/form. This was one of the few that the team gave the Haunted stamp of approval, if I remember correctly. I'm still trying to get that confirmed over at the Taps forums.

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Jason Hawes, one of the founders, is notorious for refusing to say a place is haunted unless enough activity happens that they can capture it on film that they can not debunk in any way/shape/form. This was one of the few that the team gave the Haunted stamp of approval, if I remember correctly.


Wait, a guy from a TV show about hunting ghosts said it was haunted? Well, ****, that makes it 100 times more credible. Nothing is "haunted". Grow up, you're not 12 anymore. It's time to accept that things people have been searching for evidence of for 100 years and finding absolutely none aren't real. There are no "ghosts" there are no "psychics". There are just lots and lots of people willing to take money from people.
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In! Can we invite Ghost Hunters to look it over DSD?

Edit: Never mind. Should have read the thread before I posted. Smiley: frown

Edited, Jul 9th 2007 12:39pm by Thumbelyna
#7 Jul 09 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Good
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Jason Hawes, one of the founders, is notorious for refusing to say a place is haunted unless enough activity happens that they can capture it on film that they can not debunk in any way/shape/form. This was one of the few that the team gave the Haunted stamp of approval, if I remember correctly.


Wait, a guy from a TV show about hunting ghosts said it was haunted? Well, @#%^, that makes it 100 times more credible. Nothing is "haunted". Grow up, you're not 12 anymore. It's time to accept that things people have been searching for evidence of for 100 years and finding absolutely none aren't real. There are no "ghosts" there are no "psychics". There are just lots and lots of people willing to take money from people.


Wait, a guy who has over ten years experience of investigating paranormal activity and who is acclaimed throughout the country and UK as one of the most thourough paranormal researchers stated it was haunted? One who does not charge fees but does this out of love for the field? One who did such a good job that they were offered a show? Yeah, I'll take his evidence and opinions more to heart than yours, hands down. We can sit here all day and jab at one another about the authenticity of hauntings, but I have better things to do. You are either an ignorant believer, one who things everything is paranormal, a skeptical believer, who knows that 90% of cases are shiat but there is still enough out there that is unexplained, or a closed mind idiot, who tosses away that which hasnt yet been explained with a shrug. Whether or not it's "ghosts" is moot. Unexplained means there is still enough out there for science to get dirty and try to figure out.
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Omgosh, you believe in ghosts? Smiley: laugh (sorry I didn't mean to laugh)

I would think though that having your lighthouse certifiably haunted would be a huge draw to tourists and what-not. Some NPO, aught to scoop it up, 'preserve' it but also turn it into a B&B, complete with a loverly boatride to the lighthouse, a seafood dinner (maybe even have one of them 'who did it' dinners) and Blueberry muffins for breakfast. The staff can dress in rattling chains and such.

Seems like a gold mine.
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#9 Jul 09 2007 at 9:11 AM Rating: Decent
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Jason Hawes, one of the founders, is notorious for refusing to say a place is haunted unless enough activity happens that they can capture it on film that they can not debunk in any way/shape/form. This was one of the few that the team gave the Haunted stamp of approval, if I remember correctly.


Wait, a guy from a TV show about hunting ghosts said it was haunted? Well, @#%^, that makes it 100 times more credible. Nothing is "haunted". Grow up, you're not 12 anymore. It's time to accept that things people have been searching for evidence of for 100 years and finding absolutely none aren't real. There are no "ghosts" there are no "psychics". There are just lots and lots of people willing to take money from people.


Wait, a guy who has over ten years experience of investigating paranormal activity and who is acclaimed throughout the country and UK as one of the most thourough paranormal researchers stated it was haunted? One who does not charge fees but does this out of love for the field? One who did such a good job that they were offered a show? Yeah, I'll take his evidence and opinions more to heart than yours, hands down. We can sit here all day and jab at one another about the authenticity of hauntings, but I have better things to do. You are either an ignorant believer, one who things everything is paranormal, a skeptical believer, who knows that 90% of cases are shiat but there is still enough out there that is unexplained, or a closed mind idiot, who tosses away that which hasnt yet been explained with a shrug. Whether or not it's "ghosts" is moot. Unexplained means there is still enough out there for science to get dirty and try to figure out.


As much as I agree with you anyone with a television show drops their credibility. I have a hard time believing someone on tv because they say something is true or not. Even if they 'prove it' scientifically on camera it doesn't make it so. I don't think I believe in hacks like this. Now if you'll excuse me Mythbusters is on.
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Now if you'll excuse me Mythbusters is on.

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Wait, a guy who has over ten years experience of investigating paranormal activity and who is acclaimed throughout the country and UK as one of the most thourough paranormal researchers stated it was haunted?


Ten years of experience doing what? Come on, you're not really this slow, stop messing around. You don't think magicians actually saw women in half, do you?

The guy is a ******* plumber. Hi, a plumber. A PLUMBER FOR **** SAKE. There are his credentials: "Good at removing ***** from blocked pipe; Once made water magically appear in a second floor room using only copper pipe"


One who does not charge fees but does this out of love for the field? One who did such a good job that they were offered a show? Yeah, I'll take his evidence and opinions more to heart than yours, hands down.


You're an idiot then, sorry. I fear for the future of your children.


We can sit here all day and jab at one another about the authenticity of hauntings, but I have better things to do.


Yeah, I can imagine you do. Palm reading at 2:30 to determine which brand of male enhancement supplement to buy the husband, then 4pm conversation with great great grandfather about where the magical tiki was buried by Gregg and Bobby.


You are either an ignorant believer, one who things everything is paranormal, a skeptical believer, who knows that 90% of cases are shiat but there is still enough out there that is unexplained, or a closed mind idiot, who tosses away that which hasnt yet been explained with a shrug. Whether or not it's "ghosts" is moot. Unexplained means there is still enough out there for science to get dirty and try to figure out.


No, "unexplained" almost always means anecdotal ******** stories or reports gathered by non scientists with no training, education, or interest in scientific method. It's simply astounding how few "unexplained" things happen when actual scientists with no vested interest in then remaining "unexplained" show up, isn't it?

Astonishing that psychics can never beat chance when actually tested in laboratory conditions, ever. Even though hundreds of people can relate stories of their amazing powers. How can that be! Shocking that ghosts all go into hiding if anyone who isn't praying they are real shows up, huh?

Come on, seriously, I could care less if you want to watch two plumbers stumble around in night vision on TV. Good for you. Good for them. Maybe the show's fantastic. It is, however, entertainment, not "research" or "science" or anything that in any way relates to the veracity of "haunting" claims. Stop being so gullible.
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#13 Jul 09 2007 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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off your meds again, Smash? You're truly ornery when you do that.


In 1610 Galileo found and published evidence proving the Copernican theory, or how the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa. Even with the evidence he had there were too many skeptics who refused to take any of it seriously. It was much later when Galileo was proven time and again to be correct. There is enough that is unexplainable to our scientists now to be that arrogant and believe that we can definitively write off something as ghosts. I wont argue that it is or is not. I will however point out your ignorance if you truly believe you know more than scientists out there who still have no answer.

And where is this psychic hang up coming from? It was never mentioned in the thread. Some street corner Palm reader tell you as a child you'd be rich and famous and now focus all your anger on her for not living up to that "prophecy"? Come on, share your sad story. You're among asshole comrades.

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In 1610 Galileo found and published evidence proving the Copernican theory, or how the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa. Even with the evidence he had there were too many skeptics who refused to take any of it seriously. It was much later when Galileo was proven time and again to be correct.


You understand this paragraph does the exact opposite of what you indent it to, right? Never mind, I'm sure you don't.


There is enough that is unexplainable to our scientists now to be that arrogant and believe that we can definitively write off something as ghosts.


No, there in fact, isn't enough. There isn't anything vaguely close to enough. To be honest, there really isn't much of anything, at all to prevent anyone from writing off "ghosts" existing. In the course of human history there has never, not once, been any actual evidence of anything "ghostlike" occurring that was "unexplained". What there is, as there is with alien abductions, psychics, people levitating, telekinesis, whatever bullsh*t fringe crap you'd like to name is a lot of *stories*. Anecdotal experiences of people who either had something they couldn't explain happen to them, are mentally ill, or are lying for some reason. That's it. That's all. Let's not rule out the possibility of flying, switchblade wielding bunnies in thongs, either because science can't explain why people have seen them adequately. Are you serious?


There's no "science" in what the plumbers do. Using high tech equipment doesn't somehow make a methodology valid. If I use a laser to measure the bumps on someone's head that doesn't make phrenology more valid than if I use a ruler. Using a thermal imaging camera to look for "ghosts" doesn't somehow make it an "investigation" when using a Polaroid wasn't. It just makes it more expensive.


I wont argue that it is or is not. I will however point out your ignorance if you truly believe you know more than scientists out there who still have no answer.


This would be funny if it weren't so sad, because there aren't any scientists who "have no answer". There are scientists who say "I suppose I can't conclusively prove the green blob on your video isn't a hoax, pardon me I have useful sh*t to do". That's about it. I'm sure there are people who went to school and have PhDs that make money from the ghost business. Let's be clear. They're not "scientists". "Scientists" apply "scientific method." They don't say "I'm not sure, could be ghosts!" They say "let's go to where you think this is happening, and in a controlled situation see what occurs." When that happens, there has been nothing "unexplained". Not once. Ever.


And where is this psychic hang up coming from? It was never mentioned in the thread. Some street corner Palm reader tell you as a child you'd be rich and famous and now focus all your anger on her for not living up to that "prophecy"? Come on, share your sad story. You're among @#%^ comrades.


No, it's just the normal extension of misguided faux "open mindedness" about "the paranormal". If you want to state that you're certain no one has psychic powers, I'll retract my comments and apologize for misjudging you.



Edited, Jul 9th 2007 2:19pm by Smasharoo
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In 1610 Galileo found and published evidence proving the Copernican theory, or how the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa. Even with the evidence he had there were too many skeptics who refused to take any of it seriously. It was much later when Galileo was proven time and again to be correct.
Sure, but the earlier believers of a geocentric system didn't invent it out of whole cloth; it was the summation of their knowledge, at the time, of how physics and astronomy worked. It was believed that, if the planet was spinning fast enough to account for the rotation of the sun and stars, then we'd (and the oceans, etc) be flung off of the planet. Knowledge of how massive the planet was and the relationship between mass and gravity wasn't developed yet. Without it, the concept of a stationary Earth and a revolving celestial sphere was the only thing that made sense.

It wasn't until mathematics became more sophisticated that Copernicus was able to see flaws in the geocentric system and propose his own heliocentric system (which was still flawed, but getting there). And it wasn't until the invention of telescopic optics that Galileo was able to observe new things which supported heliocentic theory. But neither one just guessed that the sun was probably the center and worked to prove it -- they used new innovations to observe and found flaws which changed their perceptions and allowed them to create new, sounder, theories.

Could science be wrong? Of course. But it's not enough to say "It could be true that this exists" and then insist that people believe it. It needs to be proven. When someone devises a technique to prove the existance of spectral apparitions, so be it. Until then, saying "What else could it be?" simply isn't enough.

Galileo was fantastically wrong about the tides. He ignored the leading theories of the day (that the tides were based on the moon) as superstition and devised a theory which stated that tides were caused by the rotation of the Earth and water sloshing around as the planet moved. It wasn't really his fault since scientists still didn't understand gravity, but no one ever brings this up when they use Galileo as the standard bearer for debunked science and progression of open thought.
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#16 Jul 09 2007 at 11:34 AM Rating: Decent
A little off topic, but doesn't it seem ironic that the owner must be on the verge of desperation to be rid of the place and will sell it for $1.

Seems cliché but you never know if some crazy parent threw their only daughter named Samara down the well in the lighthouse and boarded it up where she stayed for SEVEN DAYS...
#17 Jul 09 2007 at 11:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Shut up and read the article, fUCkslap.

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Shut up and read the article, fUCkslap.


That and look up ironic in the dictionary.
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That and look up ironic in the dictionary.


Are you implying that Alanis didn't give us enough examples to make it clear?

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That and look up ironic in the dictionary.


Are you implying that Alanis didn't give us enough examples to make it clear?

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off your meds again, Smash? You're truly ornery when you do that.


In 1610 Galileo found and published evidence proving the Copernican theory, or how the earth revolved around the sun, not vice versa. Even with the evidence he had there were too many skeptics who refused to take any of it seriously. It was much later when Galileo was proven time and again to be correct. There is enough that is unexplainable to our scientists now to be that arrogant and believe that we can definitively write off something as ghosts. I wont argue that it is or is not. I will however point out your ignorance if you truly believe you know more than scientists out there who still have no answer.

I don't think you should mention "science" in an argument supporting the possible existence of ghosts.

Really, you are being quite a twit. I don't think even most true believer religious-types believe in ghosts.

How does this expert study paranormal activity, anyway? A PKE Meter?


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Sure, but the earlier believers of a geocentric system didn't invent it out of whole cloth; it was the summation of their knowledge, at the time, of how physics and astronomy worked. It was believed that, if the planet was spinning fast enough to account for the rotation of the sun and stars, then we'd (and the oceans, etc) be flung off of the planet. Knowledge of how massive the planet was and the relationship between mass and gravity wasn't developed yet. Without it, the concept of a stationary Earth and a revolving celestial sphere was the only thing that made sense.

It wasn't until mathematics became more sophisticated that Copernicus was able to see flaws in the geocentric system and propose his own heliocentric system (which was still flawed, but getting there). And it wasn't until the invention of telescopic optics that Galileo was able to observe new things which supported heliocentic theory. But neither one just guessed that the sun was probably the center and worked to prove it -- they used new innovations to observe and found flaws which changed their perceptions and allowed them to create new, sounder, theories.


And this is my point. There is still a lot in this world that can not be explained away with the knowledge science has produced thus far. We dont know everything, we never will. And as you had also stated, science can be flawed.

There are situations where things happen that can not be explained by science as we know it now. Technology being used in the field is relatively new, science fields considering. Whether it is in the form of "ghosts", or something that one day can be explained, it is still unexplainable today. Meaning we have a long way to go before we can dis/prove either side of the coin. You can compare it to quantum physics. Relatively new science that is regarded highly in the scientific community. Yet there is still so much that is unknown, and that which is, makes little sense when joined with other sciences.

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I don't think you should mention "science" in an argument supporting the possible existence of ghosts.

I think I just did. Suck it.

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Really, you are being quite a twit. I don't think even most true believer religious-types believe in ghosts.

And that has to do with what? Oh, I see. Just throwing your own lame comment in, yet again having nothing decent to add to the discussion. At least Smash had something interesting to contribute. You should try it yourself sometime
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I didn't bother contributing anything because anything I might say will just be explained away with, "well science doesn't have an answer for everything."

It's not on me to disprove their existence.

Really I was just shocked that a seemingly half-sensible person would believe in such a thing.



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Well, you kind of missed it.

Science is based on what can be observed, tested and what theories can be developed from that information using the best data you can acquire at the time. As the data changes, the theories may need to be changed or discarded but the principles remain largely the same.

However, science is not based on "Well, anything can be true!". Baring a strong framework of evidence supporting spiritual activity, saying "Science can't explain it away" is not evidence and the burden of evidence is on the one making the claim.
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That and look up ironic in the dictionary.


Are you implying that Alanis didn't give us enough examples to make it clear?


The only thing that's ironic is that stupid song is that none of her examples are in fact "ironic".

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