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#52 Jul 15 2007 at 12:01 PM Rating: Decent
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Over here, I've always dismissed them as I'm used to being able to take fast bends with a smidgen of under-steer. I love working a manual gearbox as the speedometer slams from 120 to 80 and back again and the steering wheel needs spinning like a mad thing.



Learn to drift, nub.
#53 Jul 15 2007 at 1:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Over here, I've always dismissed them as I'm used to being able to take fast bends with a smidgen of under-steer. I love working a manual gearbox as the speedometer slams from 120 to 80 and back again and the steering wheel needs spinning like a mad thing.



Learn to drift, nub.
Erm, I think you'll find that the 1st part of what I just described is what grown-ups call 'cornering' and teenagers call 'drifting', ****. It wasn't invented in 2005 y'know.

The 2nd part refers to when the road's only a car width and drifting isn't an option.

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#54 Jul 15 2007 at 3:04 PM Rating: Decent
Hmm not saying that your wrong, however 'drifting' isn't a teenage term. Hell, it's been a Japanese racing concept since the 60s - 70s, and even in WRC it's called 'drifting'. Now, I've heard of several 'drift races' but never heard of 'cornering races'. Must be a Europe term.

#55 Jul 15 2007 at 3:09 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you didn't equate the description with 'drifting', it would appear it's not something you've been doing much.

PS. When you do take bends sideways, avoid having a hawt admin in the passenger seat. Your hearing will never recover.

Although a Brit girl's cries would have been 'Stop It!' as opposed to DF's "Yay! Faster!"
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#56 Jul 15 2007 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
Nobby wrote:

Although a Brit girl's cries would have been 'Stop It!' as opposed to DF's "Yay! Faster!"
Smiley: lol

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#57 Jul 15 2007 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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Rimesume the Vile wrote:
Now, I've heard of several 'drift races' but never heard of 'cornering races'. Must be a Europe term.


Good ol' gbaji logic.


#58 Jul 18 2007 at 6:35 AM Rating: Good
Well said and true by all accounts. The most important part to remember is that there is NO substitute for cubic inches. If there were then why do top fuel dragsters, the fastest of the fastest, use huge 600+ cubic inch V-8's?
If your happy with what you have then you have the greatest car on earth, if not, then modify it to what you want. Almost any car can be modified to do anything you want it to do with any engine.
#59 Jul 18 2007 at 7:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Well said and true by all accounts. The most important part to remember is that there is NO substitute for cubic inches. If there were then why do top fuel dragsters, the fastest of the fastest, use huge 600+ cubic inch V-8's?
If your happy with what you have then you have the greatest car on earth, if not, then modify it to what you want. Almost any car can be modified to do anything you want it to do with any engine.


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There's no replacement for displacement.


The little 4cyl import bandits will try to argue with that all day long, and talk about boosting, but you can just as easily add boost to a V-8 to put out even more HP more reliably. Regardless of what anyone says, a higher displacement motor always has the potential of putting out more HP than a lower displacement motor.
#60 Jul 18 2007 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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The little 4cyl import bandits will try to argue with that all day long, and talk about boosting, but you can just as easily add boost to a V-8 to put out even more HP more reliably. Regardless of what anyone says, a higher displacement motor always has the potential of putting out more HP than a lower displacement motor.


It will always result in a heavier slower car, too. Yay! Displacement is meaningless in any form of racing that doesn't involve tractor pulls. Formula 1 engines are 2.4L.

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#61 Jul 18 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Decent
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The little 4cyl import bandits will try to argue with that all day long, and talk about boosting, but you can just as easily add boost to a V-8 to put out even more HP more reliably. Regardless of what anyone says, a higher displacement motor always has the potential of putting out more HP than a lower displacement motor.


It will always result in a heavier slower car, too. Yay! Displacement is meaningless in any form of racing that doesn't involve tractor pulls. Formula 1 engines are 2.4L.



See what I mean?

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Formula One currently uses four-stroke V8, naturally-aspirated reciprocating engines. They typically produce 224 kilowatts (300 bhp, 304 PS) per litre of displacement, far higher than most internal combustion engines.


As you can see, this engine is also V-8. They may be lacking in displacement, but make up for it in RPM's. In most forms of racing the RPM's never make it above 9,000 and therefore to produce the power they must have the displacement to generate it. Also keep in mind Formula 1 cars are only making around 300 BHP, even less at the wheels, so it's not like they are high HP cars. Just very light. They are a completely different breed of car than other race cars. You're comparing apples to oranges there buddy.



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#62 Jul 18 2007 at 12:59 PM Rating: Excellent
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You can fit a bajillion cubic inch engine into a 4oz car, but stick with a crappy chassis, poor suspension or sloppy transmission and your horsepower becomes as relevant as the number of butterfly wings you could fit into the air-vents.

Horsepower/weight/chassis stability/suspension/gearing.

If any one of those is significantly lower or higher in quality/performance than the rest, you have yourself a shopping trolley.


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#63 Jul 18 2007 at 1:36 PM Rating: Decent
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Also keep in mind Formula 1 cars are only making around 300 BHP, even less at the wheels, so it's not like they are high HP cars. Just very light.


The point should be landing on a ledge somewhere high above your head any minute now.

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#64 Jul 19 2007 at 5:13 AM Rating: Decent
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The point should be landing on a ledge somewhere high above your head any minute now.



If you like quoting my posts so much, maybe you should also quote the line where I said that Formula 1 cars are a different breed of car altogether. And that you're comparing apples to oranges.

Any idiot knows a lighter car with the same power will go faster. This post was about normal cars, and cars that people can modify in various different fashions. How many people do you know who drive an F1 car around town on a daily basis?

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It will always result in a heavier slower car, too. Yay! Displacement is meaningless in any form of racing that doesn't involve tractor pulls. Formula 1 engines are 2.4L.


First of all ask the Nascar guys if they'd like to swap out their motors for 2.4l and see how much you get laughed at. Also, while you're at it ask the Pro draggers the same question. That's probably the 2 most popular racing styles in the country, even though I absolutely hate Nascar. Second of all, I guess I'm a little unsure of what you mean when you say it "will result" in a heavier, slower car. Do you mean that it will be heavier and slower because of the added weight of the bigger engine, or because the bigger engines come in bigger cars? Because assuming the car itself is the same size, the higher displacement motor with the higher HP will most likely win. The added weight of the engine is very minimal compared to the added HP.

Now if you're talking about those engines just coming in heavier cars, well let's just line up a turbo'd prelude or civic with a supercharged Chevelle with a 427. Hmmmm... let's see, bigger engine, more displacement, heavier car, but I highly doubt it would be the slower of the two.
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