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#1 Jul 02 2007 at 2:16 PM Rating: Good
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Man, I never saw that one coming. You?

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#2 Jul 02 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Default
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Just caught this myself. I wonder, if he hadn't been trounced on the immigration reform bill last week, would he have still commuted Libby's sentence?

Dad-"Did Scooter Libby just spend less time in prison than Paris Hilton?" =/

Edit-Pardon =/= commute

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#3 Jul 02 2007 at 2:22 PM Rating: Excellent
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Now who could have predicted that!?!?!!111eleven

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#4 Jul 02 2007 at 2:28 PM Rating: Good
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Mark me up as another "Wow, Bush gave a favor to a guy who was protecting him? Shocker!"
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I wonder, if he hadn't been trounced on the immigration reform bill last week, would he have still pardoned Libby?
Erm... yes?

And before Gbaji comes in and blows his load all over the screen in righteous anger at the word "pardon" and blame the Liberal Whoever for it, Bush commuted the prison portion of the sentence. Libby still has to pay the fine, etc.
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#5 Jul 02 2007 at 2:29 PM Rating: Decent
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"I respect the jury's verdict," Bush said in a statement. "But I have concluded that the prison sentence given to Mr. Libby is excessive. Therefore, I am commuting the portion of Mr. Libby's sentence that required him to spend thirty months in prison."


I see.

So I take it "respect" means "**** all over" in American, right?

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#6 Jul 02 2007 at 2:30 PM Rating: Good
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$250,000 is a **** load of money for a "fine".

I was pissed when the local library asked for $4.50 for a 6yr old overdue book fine.

But not surprised at all.
#7 Jul 02 2007 at 2:35 PM Rating: Default
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Erm... yes?


Mayhaps, it was the only real conspiracy theory that popped in my head after hearing about it.
#8 Jul 02 2007 at 3:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Nice to know where the priorities are lying.

Fuck the fucking fuckers etc..
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#9 Jul 02 2007 at 4:53 PM Rating: Decent
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$250,000 is a sh*t load of money for a "fine".


You obviously aren't nicknamed "scooter"

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#10 Jul 02 2007 at 5:26 PM Rating: Default
par for the coarse.

one year and 5 months and counting.............
#11 Jul 02 2007 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
Fucking ridiculous. Absolutely disgusting.
#12 Jul 02 2007 at 6:42 PM Rating: Good
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par for the coarse.

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************** ridiculous. Absolutely disgusting.[/quote]

Absolutely agree. I sometimes wonder if he misspells on purpose.
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#13 Jul 02 2007 at 7:06 PM Rating: Decent
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It was a ridiculously long jail sentence for the crime(s) in question. He was essentially sentenced for a crime he didn't commit (leaking classified information) rather then the one he did. Virtually every legal expert has said exactly that. It's not like this is the first time someone in government has been convicted of perjury and obstruction. In the grand scheme of things, those are relatively minor charges. He should have gotten maybe 6 months, with probation and time off for good behavior. That would have been the typical result given his backround and the charges at hand.
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#14 Jul 02 2007 at 9:10 PM Rating: Good
I'm still trying to figure out what the big deal on this one is. His "purgery" was recalling phone calls differently than the other party recalled them, in reference to something that was not a crime to begin with. During trial the prosecutor said Ms. Plame's status as a covert agent wasn't an issue, but during sentencing he tried to make the entire thing a national security issue. A full pardon is the only respectable response from the president. Commuting prison time is a joke.

Besides, its not like he told an outright lie to congress, or quibbled about the definition of "is". Maybe he should have let Valerie blow him first, then lied about that. He could have gotten off scott-free then.
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I'm still trying to figure out what the big deal on this one is. His "purgery" was recalling phone calls differently than the other party recalled them, in reference to something that was not a crime to begin with.
You're welcome to your opinion but a couple judges and two grand juries found differently from you.
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Besides, its not like he told an outright lie to congress
Nah, he just lied to a Special Counsel and the FBI investigating national security leaks. Much less important than being asked about a *******.

Of course, when you have trouble defending anything Bush does, the default response is always to cry about Clinton, huh? Smiley: laugh

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#16 Jul 02 2007 at 9:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
He was essentially sentenced for a crime he didn't commit (leaking classified information) rather then the one he did. Virtually every legal expert has said exactly that. [...] He should have gotten maybe 6 months, with probation and time off for good behavior. That would have been the typical result given his backround and the charges at hand.
Former federal prosecuter Edward Lazarus wrote:
Until recently, federal criminal Sentencing was determined in strict accordance with the Federal Sentencing Guidelines that have been established, and periodically revised, by a congressionally-established Sentencing Commission. Although the Supreme Court has now ruled in United States v. Booker that the Guidelines are advisory rather than mandatory, they still remain the principal touchstone for federal sentencing decisions. (I discussed the Booker decision in detail in a prior column.)

At the risk of gross oversimplification, the Guidelines create a sentencing algorithm for each defendant based on two main factors: First, the severity of the offense the defendant was proven to have committed, and, second, the defendant's individual characteristics, especially his criminal history. The combination of these two factors yields a recommended sentencing range, and the government and the defendant then get an opportunity to argue for either an upward or downward departure from this range, based on a variety of factors.

There was no dispute about the second factor here: Libby is a first-time criminal offender and thus in the most favored category in terms of criminal history. But there was heated dispute over how to calculate the other factor, his "offense severity."

In every criminal case, the Probation Office makes a recommendation to the Court as to its view of the appropriate Guidelines range. In Libby's case, the Probation Office calculated his offense severity at the level typically used for perjury and obstruction of justice, the crimes for which Libby was convicted. When combined with Libby's first-offense status, this level of severity yielded a sentencing range of 15-21 months. So, readers may wonder, why was Libby sentenced to 30?

The answer is that while the prosecution often agrees with the Probation Office calculation, it did not do so here, and Judge Walton sided with the prosecution. The government argued that Libby's offense severity should not be calculated based on the level of severity the offenses of which he was convicted, but rather by cross-reference to the level of severity of the underlying crimes that were being investigated by the grand jury to which Libby told his lies. Libby did not commit these crimes, himself but his perjury may have impeded their investigation, and thus left them unpunished.

What were these underlying crimes? That grand jury was investigating whether someone violated the Intelligence Identities Protection Act (IIPA) or the Espionage Act by revealing that Valerie Plame was a covert CIA agent. Such violations carry an higher offense severity rating that generic perjury/obstruction of justice charges. Using this higher offense severity rating, the government recommended a sentencing range of 30-37 months.

Patrick Fitzgerald, the Eliot Ness-like Special Prosecutor, did not invent this cross-referencing for this case. On the contrary, he was following the explicit instructions of the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines themselves.

Under the Guidelines, the offense severity for someone convicted of perjury or obstruction is the greater of either the severity rating for generic perjury/obstruction, or the severity rating of the offense being lied about or covered up. In essence, the Guidelines treat someone guilty of perjury or obstruction as an accessory after the fact to the offense underlying the lies and obstruction.
Ain't that a corker?
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#17 Jul 02 2007 at 10:17 PM Rating: Decent
Meh, I guess the lame duck portion of this Presidency is well on it's way.

I guess all he's got left is to start reducing troop levels slightly.

But I don't think that'll be until sometime after the primaries.
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#18 Jul 02 2007 at 10:42 PM Rating: Default
Sigh happy 4th of ******* July all Bush just told you that you aint important again.
#19 Jul 02 2007 at 11:07 PM Rating: Good
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I think Bush commuted his jail time for the good reason that even tho the majority in the States didn't want Libby pardoned, Bush knew his popularity is so low, that theres little he could do to make it any worse. (short of getting caught with his knob in a minor) so commuting Libbys sentence was gonna be moaned about for a coupla days and then everyone would move on to the next 'big' story.

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It was a ridiculously long jail sentence for the crime(s) in question.


I'm surprised that you take the crimes of obstructing justice in the investigation of the crime of the leaking of classified information so lightly!

After all you fully support the detention of the inmates of Guantanamo over the last several years. Many have not been charged, and I guarantee none of them that Im aware of have ever sworn an oath to uphold the integrity and honour of the USA.

The damage done to the USA by the present Administration including Libby, has been far more profound and far-reaching than any or all of the Guantanamo detainees.
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#20 Jul 03 2007 at 12:00 AM Rating: Decent
And he'll likely pardon him fully right before he leaves office.

I do think the sentence is a bit harsh based on the above passage, don't see why underlying crimes should relate to punishment of other crimes. But it wasn't outside the bounds enough to warrant a change via Presidential action.

Personally I think the pardon/commuting prerogative for Presidents is unfair, violates separation of powers, and shouldn't exist.
#21 Jul 03 2007 at 2:47 AM Rating: Good
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I think Bush commuted his jail time for the good reason that even tho the majority in the States didn't want Libby pardoned, Bush knew his popularity is so low, that theres little he could do to make it any worse. (short of getting caught with his knob in a minor) so commuting Libbys sentence was gonna be moaned about for a coupla days and then everyone would move on to the next 'big' story.


I think the real reason he was pardonned is that Bush was afraid that Libby would make some revelations that would implicate Cheney, and would therefor be much more damaging than the current case.

Still, it makes a complete mockery of teh justice system, and of the protection of the intelligence service, which in this age of ****, should be considered relatively important.

But well, since Cheney is neither part of the executive, nor the legislative, nor both, nor neither, I can't really see how he could be charged anyway.

How do you charge someone who exists in a different time/space paradigm?

Call Dr Who?

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#22 Jul 03 2007 at 3:13 AM Rating: Good
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Meh, this administration has existed in a different space-time continuum, it seems. I can't remember the last time a President was so out of touch with the public, and I blame his non-veep.
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I do think the sentence is a bit harsh based on the above passage, don't see why underlying crimes should relate to punishment of other crimes.
Whether or not you agree with it, my point was that Fitzgerald was following the rules and guidelines for sentencing and was not engaged in some revenge trip or whatever as Gbaji implies. That and, again, a judge decided that Fitzgerald was correct in his requests.
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#24 Jul 03 2007 at 5:14 AM Rating: Excellent
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Palpitus wrote:
And he'll likely pardon him fully right before he leaves office.

I do think the sentence is a bit harsh based on the above passage, don't see why underlying crimes should relate to punishment of other crimes. But it wasn't outside the bounds enough to warrant a change via Presidential action.

Personally I think the pardon/commuting prerogative for Presidents is unfair, violates separation of powers, and shouldn't exist.


So that whole "accessory after the fact" thing just whooshed right past you, then?

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#25 Jul 03 2007 at 6:04 AM Rating: Default
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#26 Jul 03 2007 at 6:53 AM Rating: Default
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$250,000 is a sh*t load of money for a "fine".


I don't think Scooter will be paying a dime:

http://www.scooterlibby.com/

Don't forget to donate and clear his "good" name: Link

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He should have gotten maybe 6 months, with probation and time off for good behavior. That would have been the typical result given his backround and the charges at hand.


Wouldn't that have been nice? I guess Bush could have let him serve 6 months and then commuted his sentence. Yeah right. Everyone knew he wasn't going to serve a day in jail since he fell on his sword for the VP and protected the administration.
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