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#1 Jun 30 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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I realize I don't post here that often, but some of the more intelligent posters frequent this section more than others, so here I am.

German Scientists Develop New Approach to Treating AIDS

I'm trying not to get my hopes up because it's so new and things can go massively wrong. But the possibilities are exciting. :D


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#2 Jun 30 2007 at 2:36 PM Rating: Default
Well if you wouldn't have slept around.
#3 Jun 30 2007 at 3:04 PM Rating: Good
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Any therapy, though, would require stem cells to be obtained...

Uh-ohhhh.

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#4 Jun 30 2007 at 4:19 PM Rating: Good
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Slept around? Who have you been talking to?? My ex-drug dealer died, last i heard. No one else left to tell tales...

And yea, Tare, I know. But the conservatives can only be in power so long...right? Right? >.>





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#5 Jun 30 2007 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
Not to point out the obvious to a bunch of very intelligent people, but stem cells can be derived from many different sources and several of those places have shown at least as much promise as the cells you get from embryos. So, here's an idea. Why not at least do some research in to the other options before you throw a huge chunk of the American public under the bus for believing something different than you do. Bob forbid we take the steps open to us before pissing and moaning about the 1 we can't. How many opinions to you think you could change if the research were done and you could tell people you needed some different options? As it sits now people look like petulant children crying because they got the wrong color plastic cup.
#6 Jun 30 2007 at 7:23 PM Rating: Decent
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The article sounds too good to be true. I can have sex with as many young malnourished women in developing countries as I want
#7 Jun 30 2007 at 8:05 PM Rating: Good
What does conservatives being in power in one branch of government in the U.S. have to do with German scientists?
#8 Jun 30 2007 at 9:34 PM Rating: Good
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That IS good news!

It's already leaped over a massive hurdle, that sinks thousands of medical breakthroughs.

Usually scientists announce they have found a molecule that can do something fantastic. The molecule does it's job very well, and often without side-effects. However, the molecule is found in nature, (often in a healthy human body, that doesn't have the medical problem). Therefore the molecule can't be patented, and therefore it is too economically risky to proceed with trials on that exact molecule.

The molecule has to be synthetically altered, so it is patentable, so that the company can proceed with enough scientific trials to turn it into an accredited medicine, without bankrupting itself.

Usually at this point, the synthetic versions sink out of the media without a trace, because they don't do what the original molecule can, or they do it with hideous side-effects. Although scientists have found a treatment/cure, the treatment/cure never makes it into a medicine, because it's unpatentable.

In other cases synthetic versions do make it into medicines, but the medicines usually don't work as well, and have really bad side-effects, because the treating molecule is no longer one that already had a good metabolic pathway within the human body.


THIS trial is extra exciting to me, because the scientists are having good success with a molecule that is already synthetically altered, therefor making it already patentable, so this is the version they are envisaging using as the medicine itself.

Edited, Jul 1st 2007 1:36am by Aripyanfar
#9 Jun 30 2007 at 10:03 PM Rating: Good
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Why not at least do some research in to the other options before you throw a huge chunk of the American public under the bus for believing something different than you do.
Luckily, the two aren't mutually exclusive Smiley: smile
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#10 Jun 30 2007 at 10:28 PM Rating: Good
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Luckily, the two aren't mutually exclusive Smiley: smile

True enough. We can assume liberalism is a disease now.

Wonder if there's a stem cell cure for it?
#11 Jul 01 2007 at 6:23 AM Rating: Good
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:


True enough. We can assume liberalism is a disease now.

Wonder if there's a stem cell cure for it?


Give us more Embryos and perhaps we'll find out.
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#12 Jul 01 2007 at 6:54 AM Rating: Decent
Stem cells can and are sometimes collected from umbilical cords....after the child is born.

When I had my 2 sons... both times I signed a paper to give the cord blood/etc to science for research. Does anyone know how many of these are tossed everyday?

If there are companies who are making money off of people who pay to store these stem-cells, for client use in the future...(every expectant Mom gets advertising from her Doctor about these services) do you not think the only thing holding back stem-cell use in this country is the companies triing to figure out how to charge for it, like the non use of solar energy as they can't figure out how to charge for sunlight? lol

Don't you think that the so called... rightwing are using the scare tactics and such to keep the money in the prescription companies hands that keep them in office, like the war keeps the money in halburtins and oil barons pockets? Using the church to pave its way and frighten the masses... to assure that like in ages long past/any free or (one that brings them no money) cure is called witchcraft? the herbalist burned on the stake? very scare but didn't all of our history teachers warn us that history does repeat itself... keeping the masses down...but assuring healthcare for the wealthy? $10 hammers (remember the military scandel) and $10 charge for use of a towel at the hospital(always ask for itemized billing and see what I am talking about).

Just had to pipe in as the political circus tries to keep pointing fingers at each other the true issues get buried... while the people suffer.

One more question... does anyone understand the law that states if a cure is found for a disease within your body... you do not own the rights to it? How long will it be before they take action on this! Kinda sounds like Hitlers experiments are coming to a hospital near all of us.

Edited, Jul 1st 2007 9:58am by Maerienaya
#13 Jul 01 2007 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Omegavegeta wrote:
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:


True enough. We can assume liberalism is a disease now.

Wonder if there's a stem cell cure for it?


Give us more Embryos and perhaps we'll find out.


Yeah, Moe, you embryo-hordin' *****. Smiley: mad
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#14 Jul 01 2007 at 9:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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One more question... does anyone understand the law that states if a cure is found for a disease within your body... you do not own the rights to it? How long will it be before they take action on this! Kinda sounds like Hitlers experiments are coming to a hospital near all of us.


I'm not at all clear on what you're saying here, but grats Godwin anyway.
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#15 Jul 01 2007 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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#16 Jul 02 2007 at 7:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Tare wrote:
Any therapy, though, would require stem cells to be obtained...

Uh-ohhhh.


Not sure why this would be a problem.

Read the whole quote:

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Any therapy, though, would require stem cells to be obtained from a patient's blood. They would then be treated in the laboratory and re-injected to regenerate a healthy immune system, Hauber said.


No embryonic stem cells needed. Only adult stem cells harvested from the patient himself. Good thing we funded research into adult stem cells though, since those are what we need here (and in fact have been by far the most fruitful stem cell in terms of producing usable cures). Yes, I'm assuming that your "uh-ohhhh" statement was directed at the blocking of federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, but that's a good guess I think (especially considering the responses).
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#17 Jul 03 2007 at 12:09 AM Rating: Decent
gbaji wrote:

(and in fact have been by far the most fruitful stem cell in terms of producing usable cures)



Kind of hard for embryonic research to be fruitful when the Christian Right stomps all funding and creates legislation against it all in the name of some silly fairy tale, Fruitcake.
#18 Jul 03 2007 at 4:11 AM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Tare wrote:
Any therapy, though, would require stem cells to be obtained...

Uh-ohhhh.


Not sure why this would be a problem...blahblahblah....



I read the flippin' article. I said "Uhhhh ohhhh" because of the obvious stigma associated with the phrase "stem cells". It was a lacklustre joke, but man, you guys are a bunch of grumpy cnuts. Smiley: lol
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