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#1 Jun 29 2007 at 6:07 AM Rating: Excellent
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Looks like it was a fairly simple brute force device. Core of gunpowder and nails, lots of gas cans around, etc. Still would have done plenty of damage. There is a second alert at the moment for a different car as well, no word if the two are related.

http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/29/london.alert/index.html

LONDON, England (CNN) -- Police in London say they have deactivated a bomb packed with nails and capable of creating huge casualties, raising renewed fears of a terrorist strike almost two years after the city was hit by deadly suicide bombers.

The device, consisting of 200 liters of fuel, gas cylinders and nails linked to a triggering mechanism, was found in a car in Haymarket, in the city's busy nightclub and theater district shortly before 2 a.m. (0100 GMT) on Friday.

British police anti-terror chief Peter Clarke said the explosives would have resulted in significant injury and loss of life had they detonated. (Watch police describe potential blast )

Clarke said a quick-thinking ambulance crew alerted police after they noticed a smoke-filled car parked close to the popular "Tiger Tiger" nightclub where they were attending an earlier incident.

Explosives officers discovered the fuel and nails attached to a "potential means of detonation," inside the vehicle. Officers "courageously" disabled the trigger by hand, he said.

Hours later, another road in central London was closed as police investigated a "suspicious" vehicle. Park Lane, an upmarket address close to Buckingham Palace and the main Oxford Street shopping area was cordoned off.

Earlier, security sources told CNN that the "relatively crude device" in the first car contained at least 200 liters, or about 50 gallons, of fuel in canisters.

"Even at this stage it is obvious that if the device had detonated, there could have been severe injuries and loss of life," Clarke said.

He said it was to early to say who was responsible, but detectives were examining footage taken by the city's extensive CCTV cameras.

Witness Daniel Weir said he was walking home from work when he noticed police had cordoned off the area around the nightclub and a nearby vehicle.

He snapped several photographs, including one that showed a canister labeled "patio gas."

"If I known what was actually ... going on, I don't think I would have been hanging about," he told CNN hours later.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown, appointed just two days earlier in a transition of power seen as a potential spur for extremists to mount an attack, said the incident was a reminder of the dangers facing the country. (Full story)

Brown, whose predecessor Tony Blair's support for the war stoked anger among Islamic militants, said Britain faces "a serious and continuous threat" and the public "need to be alert" at all times.

The incident comes close to the second anniversary of July 7, 2005, when four Islamic extremist suicide bombers killed 52 people on London's transport system in the deadliest strike on the city since World War II.

'Rude awakening'
CNN International Security Correspondent Paula Newton said it was potentially aimed at theatergoers or nightclubbers, echoing plots recently thwarted by anti-terror police in which Islamic militants intended to attack prominent dance venues and shopping malls.

London has a long history of bomb attacks and alerts during decades of violence mounted by Northern Irish guerrilla groups. Lone attackers have also previously targeted the city's gay and immigrant communities. (Timeline of attacks)

Friday's incident could prove to be the first major test for new Prime Minister Brown, a former finance minister, who has only just appointed his cabinet, including new Home Secretary Jacqui Smith, in charge of domestic security.

"For Gordon Brown it is a rude awakening to the realities you take on as prime minister," CNN's European Political Editor Robin Oakley said. (Watch Oakley on "rude awakening" for Brown )

Smith Friday attended a meeting of Britain's so-called Cobra emergency committee -- consisting of intelligence and security chiefs -- and later briefed Brown's cabinet.

"As the police and security services have frequently said we face one of the most serious and sustained threats to our security at the moment," Smith told reporters.

Police later said they were deploying an enhanced presence to provide extra security across the capital, but said the reinforcements were not in response to a specific incident.
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#2 Jun 29 2007 at 6:32 AM Rating: Decent
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I was quite happy to wake up and hear that another plot had be foiled. Hurray for the good guys!


This begs the question though, why are they targeting London over cities in the US? Is security that lax over there? Are we stopping those plots here? Or is it just simply that we're not the target that people would have us believe anymore?
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I'd find out who exactly "they" are before guessing too hard at their motives and reasons.
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#4 Jun 29 2007 at 6:44 AM Rating: Decent
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Metastophicleas wrote:
I was quite happy to wake up and hear that another plot had be foiled. Hurray for the good guys!


This begs the question though, why are they targeting London over cities in the US? Is security that lax over there? Are we stopping those plots here? Or is it just simply that we're not the target that people would have us believe anymore?


Assuming this is a terrorist attack from the middle east (it may not be), it's much easier to get to London England than it is to cross the Atlantic to the US.
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That is a good point, but even that's not too hard, as the TB guy proved last month.

These extremist groups have funding, and motive, so I'm surprised we haven't seen more attacks from them. I'm starting to wonder if what Bush said was right, and that by taking the fight to them, we're keeping the country safer.

Not sure that would change my feelings on the war handling, but at least I could feel better knowing that my friends have died actually protecting the US.
#6 Jun 29 2007 at 7:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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The U.S. has never been the easiest target. For one thing, we're friggin' huge. How do you pick a target that makes sense, will have an impact, and will be a meaningful symbol? The WTC attacks succeeded, to an extent (certainly had an impact); but the symbolism was strained, at best.

If they wanted to do the sort of "blow up night clubs to show our extreme disapproval of the godless West" thing, that might work; but then the problem comes down to logistics. You can't casually bring in or buy explosives, and in most areas the social network that allows for patient smuggling of small amounts of materiel is missing or at least inadequate.

Besides, if they'd parked outside a New York night club the car would have been stolen or stripped before the timer ran down.
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#7 Jun 29 2007 at 7:34 AM Rating: Decent
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Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we haven't had any more attacks, I'm just curious about the security in the UK. Is it that much worse? Logistics are just in our (the non-terrorists) favor there as they are here, or should be actually better thanks to heightened worries from last year.

It's only been a year since the UK was hit, so I would expect that around this time of the year at least, they'd be tightening up.
#8 Jun 29 2007 at 7:41 AM Rating: Decent
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That is a good point, but even that's not too hard, as the TB guy proved last month.

These extremist groups have funding, and motive, so I'm surprised we haven't seen more attacks from them. I'm starting to wonder if what Bush said was right, and that by taking the fight to them, we're keeping the country safer.

Not sure that would change my feelings on the war handling, but at least I could feel better knowing that my friends have died actually protecting the US.


You have to fly to get to the US from the mideast, you don't have to fly to get to England. There's a huge difference there. I can get on a boat in Europe and be in England fairly quickly with no fuss about what's in my suitcase. Getting on a plane is a lot more difficult. It doesn't matter how much funding you have if you can't get to your target with the materials you require without getting caught. Being on the other side of the world makes it a lot more difficult.
#9 Jun 29 2007 at 7:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Reading the reports, it sounds like the authorities were on heightened alert because of the hand off to the new P.M. I wonder, too, if Blair's appointment as envoy, or whatever, to the Middle East were a triggering factor.

Guess that'll become clearer when they find the perps.
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#10 Jun 29 2007 at 7:47 AM Rating: Good
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I find it odd that Nobby hasn't posted yet. Smiley: dubious I never believed he's in France for a second!
#11 Jun 29 2007 at 7:56 AM Rating: Good
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It could be people who are just pissed off that Gordon Brown is Prime Minister.
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Could be the Irish
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They have also found another suspicious vehicle in Hyde park.

The first Car was spotted by an Ambulance crew "smoking" and the bomb squad manually disarmmed it.

brave people [:cheer:]
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The device, consisting of 200 liters of fuel, gas cylinders and nails


Ouch.
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#15 Jun 29 2007 at 8:14 AM Rating: Decent
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Nails make amazing shrapnel. They can tear through a person and keep going, if the blast is strong enough.

The person that put this together knows how to inflict fear.
#16 Jun 29 2007 at 8:20 AM Rating: Good
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Nails make amazing shrapnel. They can tear through a person and keep going, if the blast is strong enough.


I don't doubt it. I'd hate to be around if that bomb went off.
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#17 Jun 29 2007 at 8:59 AM Rating: Decent
thank god this time it was discovered in time to stop.
#18 Jun 29 2007 at 9:07 AM Rating: Decent
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thank god this time it was discovered in time to stop.


Amen to that. You know what's scary about this. This bomb wasn't set up to kill, so much as it was to maim. Yeah, the people closest to it would have died, but the ones about 100' or so away, which I'm guessing would be the majority of the people impacted by this, would have been ripped to shreds.

It takes an unsually cruel person to build something like that.
#19 Jun 29 2007 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Metastophicleas wrote:
It takes an unsually cruel person to build something like that.


You could say it takes nails.
#21 Jun 29 2007 at 9:33 AM Rating: Decent
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Brown's welcoming gift.

glad no one was hurt this time.
#22 Jun 29 2007 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
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Does this prove that the UK was better with Blair?
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Metastophicleas wrote:
Don't get me wrong, I'm glad we haven't had any more attacks, I'm just curious about the security in the UK. Is it that much worse?
I don't think so. Although I find the whole issue a little perplexing.

Where I work, we deliver gifts come Christmas time to general contractors and architects we work for, many of whom are in the city. Since it's a slow time of year, employees get roped into making the deliveries. I've driven a large box truck into bustling business districts in Chicago, double-parked and ran into a building for ten minutes. Nothing would have stopped me from instead running down the street for ten minutes before my box truck exploded on a busy street, next to an office building at mid-day.

This goes back to the perplexing part which is, if terrorists want to disrupt America, why haven't they struck numerous soft targets? Movie theaters, shopping malls, WalMart parking lots, etc. Lack of materials? Manpower? Not enough guys to blow up enough grocery stores to make me afraid to leave the house?

I'm guessing its the last one but I'm still suprised (although grateful) that nothing like that has happened in the US yet.
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WalMart parking lots


Dude. They're trying to terrorize us, not win our eternal gratitude.
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#25 Jun 29 2007 at 10:53 AM Rating: Good
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Only speculation, but sounds like A-Q.

If so - why UK instead of USA? Well I think the main reasons include:

Accessibility like Sammy said. We have thousands of people crossing into our country through ports and hundreds of harboUrs every day from dozens of countries only an hour across the sea. Airports are easy to contain in terms of screening, but with everything from fishing boats from across Europe and Scandinavia and car ferries, it's impossible to pin down access.

A bigger reason is that as the former HQ of the British Empire, we have a large number of people who migrated here from the former victims beneficiaries of our Imperial benevolence - Pakistan, Bangladesh, India etc etc. No need to get through border controls when you already live here, right? (The 7/7 bombers had Yorkshire and Oxford accents - born and raised here).

As for the timing, yep - New PM (test his resolve) and Bliar's new job as Israel's new apologist prolly have something to do with it.

Have we raised our alert status? Duur. Natch.
Do we expect more of the same? Of course.
Do we assume all moslems or asian folk are terr'ists? FUck off. I know loads of nice Pakistanis & Afghanis. Not met a nut-job bombist yet. Smiley: oyvey
Are we afraid? Pfft.

You guys have had Pearl Harbor & 9/11. We had sustained aerial bombing of our cities from 1940 to 1945, car-bombs from 1967 to 1998, 7/7/ & 21/7. We're used to it, and the last thing we're going to do is bat an eyelid and make the fUckwits think we're spooked.

Me & Dracoid are going to a party in London tomorrow a block away from where that van was found. I'll happily use the Underground and buses - nobody's going to stop us partying.
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The first Car was spotted by an Ambulance crew "smoking" and the bomb squad manually disarmmed it.


That'll teach them to use a Mark II Cortina.

Or was that 'the ambulance crew were smoking'
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