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#27 Jun 27 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Decent
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Even if you count Belgium and and the good bit of Switzerland as being French, which some people consider "controversial", we're about the size of Texas.


Been there, done that, not going to happen again! Smiley: smile

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I think the Flemish would gladly donate the ****-poor Waloon region to the french :-P


Well, you have to admit, it would solve a lot of political problems too! Ofcourse, then half of the politicians wouldn't know what to complain about anymore. Nah, it's Belgian and it's sticking with us Flemish, for better or for worse!


#28 Jun 27 2007 at 2:37 PM Rating: Good
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If only other nations around the world would allow their citizens the freedom to keep their own money and then choose for themselves who to give it to... ;)


Well, in fairness, France gives more aid as a % of gdp, so... I'm not sure how much of a difference it would make... ;)


Sure. But that's government spending. Even if we add up the .41% your government spends on aid, and the .14% your people donate to charity, it's still less then the 1.7% that our people donate all by themselves. In fact, the private citizens of the US donate nearly 3 times as much even if we add up France's private donations *and* government aid programs.

And that's measuring as a percentage of GDP, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to get at. Unless maybe to show that when you give people the choice of where their money goes, they'll give it more freely. Go figure!
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Did you get that many posts by saying variations of the above, again and again and again?

'cos every time I've noticed one of your posts its almost exactly that.

You live in Noorleens??

You still got a 'french quarter' havn't you?

You should go and spend the weekend. Apparently all things 'french' work wonders for your 'inner peace'.

All that anger will only lead to an aneurism or sumtin, mmkay?

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#30 Jun 28 2007 at 2:08 AM Rating: Decent
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And that's measuring as a percentage of GDP, so I'm not sure what point you were trying to get at.


I'm sure you're aware that most of the "charitable donations" are home-bound, whereas most of the Aid relief is abroad.

But this doesnt change the fact that Americans give more the charity than the French.

Of course, you can choose to intepret this as a proof that:

a) The minerals in the American soil makes people more generous.
b) If you break it, you fix it.
c) French people are mean-spirited and tight.
d) We spent it all on perfume and Louis-Vuitton bags.
e) We are por cos of socialism, but are also brain-washed so we don't realise, liberal-socialist conspiracy, etc...

or...

e) That countries which have high levels of taxation will obviously give less to charity, since this is meant to be taken care of by the state.

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#31 Jun 28 2007 at 10:25 AM Rating: Good
As a Canadian, I don't hear many good things said about Americans and it has been that way for more years than I can count. It only became amplified beyond all reason with the Iraqi war.

Personally, I have nothing but respect for a country who has had to carry the load of global cop, with all the pitfalls and perks that come with the title.

I dread to think what this planet would be like if the Americans had taken the easy isolationist path.
#32 Jun 28 2007 at 10:57 AM Rating: Decent
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I dread to think what this planet would be like if the Americans had taken the easy isolationist path.
Who cares? We're still next door to them so they'd still be buying stuff from us.
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#33 Jun 28 2007 at 3:14 PM Rating: Good
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I'm mostly just messing with ya Red. Cause it's fun. ;)

However...

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e) That countries which have high levels of taxation will obviously give less to charity, since this is meant to be taken care of by the state.


Obviously. However, there's a subtext that your missing. The combination of high taxes and the expectation that "the government will fix stuff", lends people to adopt more of a "what's in it for me?" attitude. While the idealists may dream that the people accept the taxes out of an altruistic understanding that it'll be spent for the "greater good" and all that, I think you'll find that most people accept it because they believe that they get more "stuff" out of the bargain.

It's an interesting sidenote to the issue because it calls into question which system really has more greed running it. It would be an interesting thought experiement to figure out what would happen if say costs per-capita rose in France as a result of population growth and GDP stagnation, and suddenly the people were faced with a choice of allowing their government to provide that aid money with the cost being some benefit to themselves that they've come to expect.

Would they altruistically choose to provide the aid? Or would they choose the benefit for themselves? I suspect the latter...
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I dread to think what this planet would be like if the Americans had taken the easy isolationist path.
Who cares? We're still next door to them so they'd still be hopping the border to get high and play hockey with us.


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#35 Jun 28 2007 at 4:58 PM Rating: Decent
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I dread to think what this planet would be like if the Americans had taken the easy isolationist path.


Since WWII the United States either attacked or invaded the following nations:

Korea 1950-53
Lebanon 1958
Vietnam 1961-73
Laos 1964-73
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-2005
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994
Haiti 1994
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999

I guess the people of these places would have been quite thankfull for a bit of US Isolationism......

Nothing says 'peace loving Democracy' like like wars of aggression.


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#36 Jun 28 2007 at 5:18 PM Rating: Excellent
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You forgot Liberia and Cote D'iviore. Though technically we just sent planes in to get people.
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#37 Jun 28 2007 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
Obviously. However, there's a subtext that your missing. The combination of high taxes and the expectation that "the government will fix stuff", lends people to adopt more of a "what's in it for me?" attitude. While the idealists may dream that the people accept the taxes out of an altruistic understanding that it'll be spent for the "greater good" and all that, I think you'll find that most people accept it because they believe that they get more "stuff" out of the bargain.

Dear god, what's wrong with me? This is twice in one day, I'm actually agreeing with some of what Gbaji's said.
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#39 Jun 29 2007 at 2:32 AM Rating: Decent
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The combination of high taxes and the expectation that "the government will fix stuff", lends people to adopt more of a "what's in it for me?" attitude.


I can't see any reason what so ever why that would be true.

If you mean that people who pay high taxes expect good services in return, then sure. But that's not just "what is in it for me?", it's "how are they spending my money?"


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While the idealists may dream that the people accept the taxes out of an altruistic understanding that it'll be spent for the "greater good" and all that, I think you'll find that most people accept it because they believe that they get more "stuff" out of the bargain.


Both are completely linked, though. It's not hard to udnerstand that the healthier the society, the healthier the individuals. Individuals are not seperated from the world around them. So the "greater good" directly or indirectly affects them, and most people with half a brain understand that.

It's obvious that rich people in France would be better off if they lived in the US. When you earn over $90,000/year you get taxed for just above 50% of your income. That's very high, and it's obvious they "lose out" in the "bargain". Whereas poor people, those who are struggling, gain more than what they put in.

Everyone in France understands that, and most people are happy with it. Why? because they know societies are meant to be homogenous. That if your neighbours are starving, chances are they'll attack you. That if poor kids are unhealthy and uneducated, then the whole of society will suffer from it. That, in a word, we are all on the same boat together.

Call it "greed", "practicality", "self-interest disguised as brotherhood", whatever you call it, that's the main reasoning behind it all.

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Would they altruistically choose to provide the aid? Or would they choose the benefit for themselves? I suspect the latter...


It depends on how wealthy/needy/greedy the individual is, I guess.

It's blatantly obvious that if the government said to the French "No more free créches and no more free hospitals, cos we're sending that money to some Congolese dictator instead", then of course most people would not be happy. But that's normal, you can't tell me that if the cost of living rose considerably in the US, most people would sacrifice their health in order to keep on giving the same amount of money to charity.

Giving aid, while totally necessary, is still, mostly, the preserve of the rich, whether they be individuals or nations. When money gets tight, only Mother Theresa would sacrifice her basic well-being in order to help some people on another continent.

And most Frenchies are not Mother Theresa.

If that's where you were trying to get too, then sure, though most people won't be surprisd by that revelation.

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#40 Jun 29 2007 at 4:35 AM Rating: Good
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
When you earn over $90,000/year you get taxed for just above 50% of your income.
That's not bad. I think in Canada, 50% tax starts around $45-55k.
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#41 Jun 29 2007 at 7:42 AM Rating: Decent
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And yet you still have to wait 6 weeks for an MRI or CT scan. I'll take our busted health care system over being over-taxed any day.
#42 Jun 29 2007 at 9:59 AM Rating: Good
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And yet you still have to wait 6 weeks for an MRI or CT scan. I'll take our busted health care system over being over-taxed any day.
Emergencies are still emergencies and you get taken care of immediately. I don't mind paying high taxes knowing that when in a panic situation, I won't be left in a waiting room because I don't have my insurance card on me.
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#43 Jun 29 2007 at 10:32 AM Rating: Decent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
When you earn over $90,000/year you get taxed for just above 50% of your income.
That's not bad. I think in Canada, 50% tax starts around $45-55k.


As far as federal income tax goes, our tax only reaches 29% at the highest bracket which is income over 120k.

#44 Jun 29 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Since WWII the United States either attacked or invaded the following nations:

Korea 1950-53
Lebanon 1958
Vietnam 1961-73
Laos 1964-73
Dominican Republic 1965-66
Cambodia 1969-70
Lebanon 1982-84
Grenada 1983
Libya 1986
Panama 1989
Iraq 1991-2005
Somalia 1992-94
Croatia 1994
Haiti 1994
Bosnia 1995
Sudan 1998
Afghanistan 1998
Yugoslavia 1999

I guess the people of these places would have been quite thankfull for a bit of US Isolationism......

Nothing says 'peace loving Democracy' like like wars of aggression.


Yes, I'm sure South Korea would be SOOOO grateful if the U.S. had just left them alone to be trampled by North Korea. I'm sure they'd be really glad to be starving to death while their economic growth is stifled in order to pay for nuclear missles and surprisingly gay looking soldiers. I'm sure every time they finish a good game of Starcraft, they curse the U.S. with their aggressive wars which allowed them to still have a democratic government in which they can get into fist fights with each other in the legislature. Honestly some people are such dumb ***** that they can't even comprehend the idea of the the U.S. not being an evil dictatorship ruled by octopuses.

You Sir are a complete idiot, and you really don't deserve to have the right to vote at all. You're the same kind of person who would have surrendered during the Revolutionary War, or refused to send military aid to the revolutionaries because it's an "aggressive war." It's a good thing more people like you were NOT alive during the founding of the United States, otherwise it wouldn't exist at all and we'd probably still all be living under a REAL imperial power.
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No. You shut up.
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#46 Jun 29 2007 at 9:54 PM Rating: Good
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Hey Goose, when did you move to Anahiem?
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#47 Jun 29 2007 at 11:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey Goose, when did you move to Anahiem?


Haha, I am afraid they'd have to win 4 more and very quickly.
#48 Jun 30 2007 at 11:34 AM Rating: Default
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Yes, I'm sure South Korea would be SOOOO grateful if the U.S. had just left them alone to be trampled by North Korea.


Yeah, about as grateful as the chileans were when their country was "liberated" of their democratically elected president.

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Why is everyone so proud to be the most 'giving'? Can't you see that if these charities really wanted to they would take care of themselves rather than relying on the kindness of others! Clearly charities are slowly destroying the national character.

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#50 Jun 30 2007 at 4:28 PM Rating: Decent
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LtGoose wrote:
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:
When you earn over $90,000/year you get taxed for just above 50% of your income.
That's not bad. I think in Canada, 50% tax starts around $45-55k.


As far as federal income tax goes, our tax only reaches 29% at the highest bracket which is income over 120k.



I don't really care which section of the government is taking my money, all I know is I'm giving them over half of it now. Whether its provincial or federal means little. If the province takes it, then the feds give them less. Either way, I'm still paying it and they're spending it on my behalf.
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#51 Jul 01 2007 at 2:40 PM Rating: Decent
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Yeah, about as grateful as the chileans were when their country was "liberated" of their democratically elected president.


Did I bold Chile? Did I talk about them at all? relevance please?

What you're doing here is grouping all military action into a single unit, saying that it is all bad, and suggesting that the U.S. attacks other countries in order to steal their resources/just for the fun of killing innocent people.
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