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Theodore Roosevelt's on immigrants and AmericansFollow

#1 Jun 24 2007 at 9:42 AM Rating: Decent
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Theodore Roosevelt 1919 wrote:
"In the first place, we should insist that if the immigrant who comes here in good faith becomes an American and assimilates himself to us, he shall be treated on an exact equality with everyone else, for it is an outrage to discriminate against any such man because of creed, or birthplace, or origin. But this is predicated upon the person's becoming in every facet an American, and nothing but an American...There can be no divided allegiance here. Any man who says he is an American, but something else also, isn't an American at all. We have room for but one flag, the American flag... We have room for but one language here, and that is the English language... and we have room for but one sole loyalty and that is a loyalty to the American people."


Not much that I can add here, just thought I'd share this quote that was shared with me.

Edit: Wrong year.

Edited, Jun 24th 2007 1:48pm by Metastophicleas
#2REDACTED, Posted: Jun 24 2007 at 9:45 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Thank you for the quote....tell it to those that are illegal and are waving around their country of origin's flag during the rallies.
#3 Jun 24 2007 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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Just for you, lazy: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/troosevelt.asp

Or, you can use this WONDERFUL tool called a search engine, I like Google.


Oh, and I don't think it's the illegals that wouldn't get the message of this statement, but the Americans we already have. This says NOTHING about illegal immigration, rather speaks on the current citizens and naturalized citizens.

So quit with the XXXX-American Shit. It starts at home, and it starts with you. Take pride in being American, and only American.

Edited, Jun 24th 2007 1:57pm by Metastophicleas
#4 Jun 24 2007 at 10:07 AM Rating: Good
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A quote from Teddy Roosevelt, wow!

I would be much more impressed if you were educated enough to understand the need for the melting pot in early american history and why it has been obsolete for a couple decades now, if not more.
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#5 Jun 24 2007 at 10:12 AM Rating: Decent
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If we took ourselves, our country, and our citizenship seriously, and tore down the barriers that have been created to divide us, others would also take us seriously. Citizenship would mean something still, illegal immigration wouldn't be an issue, because people would WANT to be citizens of the United States of America, nevermind the concerns over terrorism, but I think those could very likely be reduced as well.
#6 Jun 24 2007 at 10:22 AM Rating: Good
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Metastophicleas wrote:
If we took ourselves, our country, and our citizenship seriously, and tore down the barriers that have been created to divide us, others would also take us seriously. Citizenship would mean something still, illegal immigration wouldn't be an issue, because people would WANT to be citizens of the United States of America, nevermind the concerns over terrorism, but I think those could very likely be reduced as well.


So I would take that as a "I will ramble on a tangent that borders on facist tendencies rather than address your post" response. I'm sure you will start quoting Grover Cleveland when it comes to government hands out to Katrina victims next.

/golfclap

If you were as smart as you think you are I would be mildly entertained. As it stands I am suprised I could muster the interest to even respond.

Edited, Jun 24th 2007 2:22pm by bodhisattva
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#7 Jun 24 2007 at 10:40 AM Rating: Decent
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This is Halarious lol
#8 Jun 24 2007 at 10:42 AM Rating: Default
This thread has alot of interesting opinions, oops in sorry i didnt me to break the flow...please forgive me /bow
#9 Jun 24 2007 at 11:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't doubt that ole Teddy said it, I guess I'm more curious why I'm expected to be swayed by what Roosevelt said. He's just another guy with an opinion (and one based in a very different time at that, especially regarding immigration).
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#10 Jun 25 2007 at 2:41 AM Rating: Decent
I thought the whole problem was not that illegal immigrants didn't want to be American, but rather that Americans didn't want illegal immigrants to become American...

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#11 Jun 25 2007 at 3:02 AM Rating: Default
Metastophicleas wrote:
Just for you, lazy: http://www.snopes.com/politics/quotes/troosevelt.asp

Or, you can use this WONDERFUL tool called a search engine, I like Google.


Oh, and I don't think it's the illegals that wouldn't get the message of this statement, but the Americans we already have. This says NOTHING about illegal immigration, rather speaks on the current citizens and naturalized citizens.

So quit with the XXXX-American Shit. It starts at home, and it starts with you. Take pride in being American, and only American.

Edited, Jun 24th 2007 1:57pm by Metastophicleas

dont be proud of some insignificant thing such as being "American" that is JUST as bad as being proud of being white. its another way of being racist and you all know it, you just dont admit it.

What makes someone special for being born in america? why are we better than others? what is it that makes land you were born over mean anything? do the minerals somehow make you smarter than people born in other countries? (the answer is no).

be proud in yourself and what YOU have accomplished, not something someone else has done or something that means nothing (like nationality).

as someone else quoted, "when fascism comes to America it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying the cross" - Sinclair Lewis
#12 Jun 25 2007 at 3:16 AM Rating: Decent
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dont be proud of some insignificant thing such as being "American" that is JUST as bad as being proud of being white. its another way of being racist and you all know it, you just dont admit it.



Have you ever read anything so painfully stupid that it caused heartburn? The above qualifies.

Edited, Jun 25th 2007 4:16am by Rimesume
#13 Jun 25 2007 at 3:22 AM Rating: Decent
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do the minerals somehow make you smarter than people born in other countries? (the answer is no).


If you feel the need to give the answer to this rethorical question, then clearly the minerals are lacking in Cleverness Vitamins.

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#14 Jun 25 2007 at 4:23 AM Rating: Default
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Lordofdogs wrote:
do the minerals somehow make you smarter than people born in other countries? (the answer is no).


If you feel the need to give the answer to this rethorical question, then clearly the minerals are lacking in Cleverness Vitamins.


Eh, it was what time when i wrote that? I was up all night playing FFXI and was in a state of mineral deficiency.
#15 Jun 25 2007 at 4:45 AM Rating: Excellent
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What makes someone special for being born in america? why are we better than others? what is it that makes land you were born over mean anything? do the minerals somehow make you smarter than people born in other countries? (the answer is no).


Different kind of pride. But surely you knew that.
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#16 Jun 25 2007 at 4:50 AM Rating: Default
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What makes someone special for being born in america? why are we better than others? what is it that makes land you were born over mean anything? do the minerals somehow make you smarter than people born in other countries? (the answer is no).


Different kind of pride. But surely you knew that.
i honestly dont. It must be one of those "old people" things. I really dont care where you are born.

edit: I care about what you have done in your life, such as graduating college, other than screaming about where you are from and who you are.



Edited, Jun 25th 2007 8:53am by Lordofdogs
#17 Jun 25 2007 at 6:50 AM Rating: Decent
So Lordofdogs, you find patriotism bad?

So not only are you a ****, you're also a pinko. Patriotism isn't an "old people" thing, an "Only stupid people" thing, or "only uneducated people" thing. I guess if you knew more about the world than what your stupid textbooks or CNN told you, you'd might actually have a clue. That is a big might.
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So Lordofdogs, you find patriotism bad?

So not only are you a ****, you're also a pinko.
Communists aren't patriotic? I guess all those parades, speeches and rallies and whatnot in China, the old Soviet Union, Cuba, etc were in vain. Apparently, patriotism only exists in democratic-capitalist societies. Who knew?
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I guess if you knew more about the world than what your stupid textbooks or CNN told you, you'd might actually have a clue.
Heheh.
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#19 Jun 25 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Communists aren't patriotic? I guess all those parades, speeches and rallies and whatnot in China, the old Soviet Union, Cuba, etc were in vain. Apparently, patriotism only exists in democratic-capitalist societies. Who knew?



That's called brainwashing, not patriotism. Smiley: lol

Edited, Jun 25th 2007 8:03am by Rimesume
#20 Jun 25 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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King Rimesume wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
Communists aren't patriotic? I guess all those parades, speeches and rallies and whatnot in China, the old Soviet Union, Cuba, etc were in vain. Apparently, patriotism only exists in democratic-capitalist societies. Who knew?



That's called brainwashing, not patriotism. Smiley: lol

Edited, Jun 25th 2007 8:03am by Rimesume


Well, sure. When it's them, it's brainwashing; when it's us, it's good old fashioned patriotism. Smiley: laugh

But what I meant about pride was, there's a difference between arrogance based on nothing but the luck of the draw ("I was born in Luxembourg and am therefore better than Belgians!"), and pride in oneself and one's home. Pride entails a sense of responsibility and stewardship. Arrogance bespeaks entitlement.

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Well, sure. When it's them, it's brainwashing; when it's us, it's good old fashioned patriotism. Smiley: laugh
Werd. Smiley: rolleyes
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#22 Jun 25 2007 at 8:36 AM Rating: Good
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Nationalism/Patriotism was a backlash to the elightenment ideals. It can lead to xenophobia which can lead to racism. It is not racism itself, though it can be interwined with it.

It can be as harmless as wanting your soccer team to pound the snot out of the other countries team, or as hateful as Lefein claiming that non-americans should not be afforded the same human rights as american citizens.

/shrug

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#23 Jun 25 2007 at 9:41 AM Rating: Decent
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Nationalism/Patriotism was a backlash to the elightenment ideals. It can lead to xenophobia which can lead to racism. It is not racism itself, though it can be interwined with it.

It can be as harmless as wanting your soccer team to pound the snot out of the other countries team, or as hateful as Lefein claiming that non-americans should not be afforded the same human rights as american citizens.

/shrug



Being patriotic is one thing. Taking pride in one's nation, is akin to taking pride in your family. People came to this nation once because of pride. The gave up everything they were to become American. Those people got it. This current batch of idiots parading as Americans, and the people that are coming across our borders illegally do not.

Those people don't understand that it was our similarity that made this nation great. Our desire to be Americans, and be innovators, and leaders, is what made us great, along with our steadfast and relentless pursuit of what we thought was right, made us great.

Too many people have forgotten that. In our rush to "include" everyone, we have divided ourselves, and as a great friend once told me "A house divided against itself cannot stand". This nation was a beacon of hope for the world, well except England for a time. The United States inspired people in other countries to take their own futures in their hands, and demand freedom. This nation stood up for others, when they could no longer stand up for themselves. We help others when, and give when it hurts, because there is someone in need. These values know no bounds. This nation is great because we can be whatever we want, whatever we can work to be. There aren't but a handful of countries that can claim that same distinction, and I'm DAMN PROUD to be an American.

Of course, this begs the question: Does that make me better than someone else? No, of course not. It only means that I have the ability, and the potential to be the best that I can be. To think otherwise would just be puffing out your chest. The United States may be the best nation in history, or it may not, I cannot decide that, and no one alive today can decide that. Only history can decide if we live in the greatest nation of all time.

What I can tell you is this: Taking pride in ones nation is NOT the same as being a racist. Calling yourself Asian-American, African-American, Italian-American, or whatever stupid XXXX-American you can name yourself is. You place your race above your country. You divide yourself from the country. By doing such, we have destroyed what made this nation great: Being Americans FIRST. We have cheapened those things that made being a citizen important. Today, if you look at a survey, they as if you're African-American (just an example, because it's the most readily available sample), when the majority of "African-Americans" were born in this country, and are considered something they are not, and that is natives of Africa. This offends many of my friends. They were born on this land. They would die defending this country. They wonder why they have to be considered something else before American. It's an insult to them to have to have a title in front of American.

That's what this quote is about. Once you are a citizen of this country, you are an American first, everything else second. If you want to still be proud of where you came from, great! Just remember that you are an American first, of whatever decent second.
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Metastophicleas wrote:
Taking pride in one's nation, is akin to taking pride in your family. People came to this nation once because of pride.


Did I mention that nationalism sprang from Romanticism, or were you already aware of that, you big sopping wet e-vag?
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Metastophicleas wrote:
What I can tell you is this: Taking pride in ones nation is NOT the same as being a racist. Calling yourself Asian-American, African-American, Italian-American, or whatever stupid XXXX-American you can name yourself is. You place your race above your country.
"Italian" is a race?

Really, what is ultimately meant by "Act like an American" is "Act like a WASP". However, since the WASPs got to plant their flag here first, they got to define what it meant to be "American" and demand that everyone else act as they do, 'lest they be unpatriotic.
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#26 Jun 25 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Excellent
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Metastophicleas wrote:
Taking pride in one's nation, is akin to taking pride in your family. People came to this nation once because of pride.
Less so because of "pride" and more so because conditions in their country sucked ***.
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