Since afterall, the Republicans were the bad guys in the "culture of corruption", I'd be remiss if I didn't also mention Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid.
Cause, you know, the Dems are all about fighting corruption and stuff. Really!!!
Funny thing is that Pelosi got a bye for doing *exactly* the same thing that got Tom Delay indicted. Hmmmm... 21k fine to the PACS, no charges, no indictment. Of course, even if she had been indicted or even convicted, she would not have to resign her seat, cause the Dems don't have any rules against corruption and being a leader in the party. But it's good to know that it's the Republicans who are the bad guys here.
Oh. And the Harry Reid stuff? Basically the same exact actions that got Ney jailed. And that's not even counting the real estate scam that netted him about a million dollars. So Reid's basically done exactly what Ney did (for which he was convicted and sent to prison) *and* exactly what Cunningham did (for which he was also convicted and sent to prison). Um... Why is this man not in jail? Cause he's a Democrat.
See how that works? Just figured I'd give you all some perspective on how our wonderous and fair legal system really works in this country...
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King Nobby wrote:
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So you're admitting that what Delay did was wrong?
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gbaji wrote:
Oh. And the Harry Reid stuff? Basically the same exact actions that got Ney jailed. And that's not even counting the real estate scam that netted him about a million dollars. So Reid's basically done exactly what Ney did (for which he was convicted and sent to prison) *and* exactly what Cunningham did (for which he was also convicted and sent to prison). Um... Why is this man not in jail? Cause he's a Democrat.
I mentioned the Reid scandal back in spring of '06. I'm not even going to bother looking for it except to say that if you're going to keep crying about every Democratic scandal to come down the pipe, at least be honest about whether it made the news or not.
The NewsMax story I just skimmed because it was rather light on content and, well, it was from NewsMax.
Edited, Jun 20th 2007 9:55pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Mr. DeLay, by then under investigation for his own campaign finance problems, reacted sharply to the news about Pelosi's campaign finance irregularities, saying: "She has violated the law. It's in the facts."
Lovely.
If the facts bear out the accusations they should be punished, of course. Still, it's not exactly a 20-year pattern of (dare I say it?) corruption.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
A Pelosi article from 05, A Reid article from 06?? Got anymore nuggets of "corruption?" Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the Republicans control the Legislative and Executive branches at this time? Even with Bush and the Justice Department stacking attorneys, there were no charges, removal, or other disciplinary action. If there was any legitimate "byes" given, you can blame your best buddies.
Yeah, it reveals that there was nothing there and even with Republicans in power, nothing was done to Reid or Pelosi. Care to explain?
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See how that works?
Yeah, it reveals that there was nothing there and even with Republicans in power, nothing was done to Reid or Pelosi. Care to explain?
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gbaji wrote:
And the Harry Reid stuff? [...] And that's not even counting the real estate scam that netted him about a million dollars.
Which was much like Dennis Hastert's land deals which netted him nearly two million dollars. And which also represented a conflict of interest. And which also amounted to nothing as far as reprisals went.
Although I have my own guesses why Hastert wasn't marched off in chains, I'm instead going to shrilly cry that it was only due to his being the Republican Speaker of the House. Boy, those House Speakers sure do get around, don't they?
Edited, Jun 21st 2007 1:38pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Holy ****! Politicians are corrupt??
Your startling talent for newly discovering what is painfully obvious to the rest of the world never fails to amaze.
They have to be corrupt to 1. Get elected. 2. Gain and maintain power.
No one cares. Honestly. No one votes for Democrats because they think they are less corrupt, they vote for Democrats because of core beliefs that are more likely to be implemented with democrats in power. It's not rocket science, *******.
When the best anti-democrat argument you can mount is "They're as corrupt as we are!" times are hard. Maybe try to focus on **** not being allowed to eat hot dogs in public or something?
Just trying to help.
Your startling talent for newly discovering what is painfully obvious to the rest of the world never fails to amaze.
They have to be corrupt to 1. Get elected. 2. Gain and maintain power.
No one cares. Honestly. No one votes for Democrats because they think they are less corrupt, they vote for Democrats because of core beliefs that are more likely to be implemented with democrats in power. It's not rocket science, *******.
When the best anti-democrat argument you can mount is "They're as corrupt as we are!" times are hard. Maybe try to focus on **** not being allowed to eat hot dogs in public or something?
Just trying to help.
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Smasharoo wrote:
Holy sh*t! Politicians are corrupt??
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The point isn't about whether or not politians are corrupt. It's about the reaction to that corruption (alleged or real).
It's about a party that has at least as much corruption in their ranks, yet somehow blamed the other party for the "culture of corruption". It's about a double standard.
While I'm sure you can find examples of Republicans that didn't get prosecuted for various questionable deals, that's not the point. The point is how selective those prosecutions are, and how the selection process seems to so consistently aim itself at Republicans rather then Democrats.
It takes being caught on tape taking a bribe and 90k in cash in the freezer to get any sort of legal motion against a Democrat. Think about it. Contrast to the relatively "vague" charges brought against Republicans in the past couple years.
Oh. And in response to the "but this is from 2005 and 2006!!!). Um. That's the point. There is *zero* news on these things since those dates. Why? What happened to the investigations that should have resulted from those revelations back in 2005 and 2006? How is it that in the same period of time we can investigate the alleged outting of a CIA operative, ignore the people we know are involved, and instead single out someone completely unrelated to the offense, indict him, try him, and convict him, all without *any* movement on what are clearly much more significant charges against people in much more powerful positions?
Why indeed?
It's about a party that has at least as much corruption in their ranks, yet somehow blamed the other party for the "culture of corruption". It's about a double standard.
While I'm sure you can find examples of Republicans that didn't get prosecuted for various questionable deals, that's not the point. The point is how selective those prosecutions are, and how the selection process seems to so consistently aim itself at Republicans rather then Democrats.
It takes being caught on tape taking a bribe and 90k in cash in the freezer to get any sort of legal motion against a Democrat. Think about it. Contrast to the relatively "vague" charges brought against Republicans in the past couple years.
Oh. And in response to the "but this is from 2005 and 2006!!!). Um. That's the point. There is *zero* news on these things since those dates. Why? What happened to the investigations that should have resulted from those revelations back in 2005 and 2006? How is it that in the same period of time we can investigate the alleged outting of a CIA operative, ignore the people we know are involved, and instead single out someone completely unrelated to the offense, indict him, try him, and convict him, all without *any* movement on what are clearly much more significant charges against people in much more powerful positions?
Why indeed?
King Nobby wrote:
More words please
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How is it that in the same period of time we can investigate the alleged outting of a CIA operative, ignore the people we know are involved, and instead single out someone completely unrelated to the offense, indict him, try him, and convict him, all without *any* movement on what are clearly much more significant charges against people in much more powerful positions?
Why indeed?
Why indeed?
If it make syou feel better, i thought Rove probobly should have gone to jail too.
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gbaji wrote:
There is *zero* news on these things since those dates. Why?
Edited, Jun 21st 2007 8:05pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
The point is how selective those prosecutions are, and how the selection process seems to so consistently aim itself at Republicans rather then Democrats.
Yeah, it doesn't, moron. It just gets "aimed" at the party in power because it's assumed that it's probably easier to exploit political power when you have some.
You really can't possibly be this brain dead. I refuse to believe it.
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There is *zero* news on these things since those dates.
I was watching CNN last night and caught jabs at democrats and their "culture of corruption" more than twice. Do you watch the news, G man?
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(06-22) 04:00 PDT Washington -- Vice President **** Cheney's office has refused to comply with an executive order governing the handling of classified information for the past four years and recently tried to abolish the office that sought to enforce those rules, according to documents released by a congressional committee Thursday.
Since 2003, the vice president's staff has not cooperated with an office at the National Archives and Records Administration charged with making sure the executive branch protects classified information. Cheney aides have not filed reports on their possession of classified data and at one point blocked an inspection of their office. After the archives office pressed the matter, the documents say, Cheney's staff this year proposed eliminating it.
Since 2003, the vice president's staff has not cooperated with an office at the National Archives and Records Administration charged with making sure the executive branch protects classified information. Cheney aides have not filed reports on their possession of classified data and at one point blocked an inspection of their office. After the archives office pressed the matter, the documents say, Cheney's staff this year proposed eliminating it.
Yeah. I'm worried about a potential conflict of interest that's already been handled.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Samira, it doesn't matter if we can find examples of Republicans in shady dealings -- what's important is that we dredge up three year old stories about Democrats in order to cry about how unfair it is.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
You know Gbaji, this has gone from you making a point, to being a pussyhurt sniveling little girl. This is just a bad week for you.
Any news on Ted Stevens lately?
Huh. Per Wiki ('cause I'm lazy):Never even heard of that one. I call shennanigans on the Evil Liberal Media for hiding this story!!! 
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In late May 2007, the Anchorage Daily News reported that The FBI and a federal grand jury were investigating an extensive remodeling project at Stevens' home in Girdwood. The remodeling work, which more than doubled the size of the house, occurred in the summer and fall of 2000, was organized by Veco, an oil-field service company that has long been a strong lobbying presence in Juneau. Earlier in May, two top Veco executives pleaded guilty to federal conspiracy, bribery and tax charges. [37] In June, the Anchorage Daily News reported that a federal grand jury in Washington, D.C., heard evidence in May about the expansion of Stevens' Girdwood home and other matters connecting Stevens to Veco.[38] In mid-June, FBI agents questioned several aides who work for Stevens as part of the investigation.[39]
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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Never even heard of that one. I call shennanigans on the Evil Liberal Media for hiding this story!!! D:<
My work is done.
gbaji, have you ever heard those whiners that constantly blame the referee's when their team is losing (in most any sport)? I know you have.
Well, this is what you are doing.
But ya know what?...(rhetorical eh)...Running the country is not a game and the Democrats and the Republicans are not competing for a trophy. In fact, the Democrats and Republicans are on the same team.
Quit trying to pit them one against the other.
Well, this is what you are doing.
But ya know what?...(rhetorical eh)...Running the country is not a game and the Democrats and the Republicans are not competing for a trophy. In fact, the Democrats and Republicans are on the same team.
Quit trying to pit them one against the other.
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