i think we all know even if it passes it wont change a single thing. if they cant go over the fence, they will just go around it, or even by boat like the cubans if that doesnt work. and what about our border with canada, or the constant flow of hatians and cubans flooding mostly unchecked into florida?
so why all the fuss?
follow the money.
over 4 billion dollars of our tax dollars handed to the state of Texas. a gift for his home state on his way out the door.
this is what politics is all about. selling you a line of crap so you will let them hand out your tax dollars to their buds. wish i could say the dems were any better, but they are not.
well, bend over........
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So when you get your way, will you be happy to pay $20 for a taco or an additional $0.50 a gallon for gas when restaurants and gas stations lose their supply of cheap laboUr?
As Godwin might say, Germany's insane inflation rate went crazy right about when they only let Germans have jobs in the early 1930s. Sure, the sanctions played a part, but most economists attribute it primarily to the state's exclusion of cheap foreign or jewish laboUr.
Ban the Messicans and buy a wheelbarrow to carry the banknotes you'll need to pay for your all-american lifestyle.
As Godwin might say, Germany's insane inflation rate went crazy right about when they only let Germans have jobs in the early 1930s. Sure, the sanctions played a part, but most economists attribute it primarily to the state's exclusion of cheap foreign or jewish laboUr.
Ban the Messicans and buy a wheelbarrow to carry the banknotes you'll need to pay for your all-american lifestyle.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
They should grow a hedge instead of build a fences and it can be named "The Bush".
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im not against immigration at all.
make it eaiser. if they can document themselves, dont have a criminal record, collect a fee of less than 2000 bucks and hand them a visa. all of them.
immigrats built this country. if we had more, there would be less lazy fat **** gringos slobbering over a beer watching sports on the shiny box. they would be out working their **** off holding down two jobs because big companies wouldnt be paying as much.
it would be a good thing for the health of this country. let em all in. just make it oderly, and well documented so we know who is getting in.
they buy food, they buy cloths, they buy cars, rent apartments and guess what? they pay taxes on ALL of it.
why do you think of the 5 states that still dont have a state income tax, 3 of them are the ones with the highest rate of "illegal" immigrants? California, Texas, and Florida. this crap about them ruining the economy is just that, crap. let em in. spend that 4 billion dollars on setting up the infrastructure to make it legal, accesable and documented.
this bill does nothing. we all know that. its just a 4 billion dollar check to the state of texas. our money. handed to them. for something we all know wount do crap about "illegal" immigrants.
make it eaiser. if they can document themselves, dont have a criminal record, collect a fee of less than 2000 bucks and hand them a visa. all of them.
immigrats built this country. if we had more, there would be less lazy fat **** gringos slobbering over a beer watching sports on the shiny box. they would be out working their **** off holding down two jobs because big companies wouldnt be paying as much.
it would be a good thing for the health of this country. let em all in. just make it oderly, and well documented so we know who is getting in.
they buy food, they buy cloths, they buy cars, rent apartments and guess what? they pay taxes on ALL of it.
why do you think of the 5 states that still dont have a state income tax, 3 of them are the ones with the highest rate of "illegal" immigrants? California, Texas, and Florida. this crap about them ruining the economy is just that, crap. let em in. spend that 4 billion dollars on setting up the infrastructure to make it legal, accesable and documented.
this bill does nothing. we all know that. its just a 4 billion dollar check to the state of texas. our money. handed to them. for something we all know wount do crap about "illegal" immigrants.
shadowrelm wrote:
im not against immigration at all.
Sorry ace. Xenophobia shows through the thin coat of paint you attempted.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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why do you think of the 5 states that still dont have a state income tax, 3 of them are the ones with the highest rate of "illegal" immigrants? California, Texas, and Florida.
Not sure what your attempted point is, but California does have a state income tax.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
On the other hand, the combination of Illinois state, Cook County & City of Chicago sales taxes makes shopping in the Windy City one of the most heavily taxed purchasing experiences in the country.
Our illegals must be broken
Our illegals must be broken
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
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But they come over the border and "stele yore job" right?
Sorry ace. Xenophobia shows through the thin coat of paint you attempted.
Sorry ace. Xenophobia shows through the thin coat of paint you attempted.
That's a brief glimpse of a silly Brit being a f'ucking moron.
Immigration = good.
Illegal immigration = bad.
Why is that so tough for people to understand? No one that I know or consider a rational individual would ever even begin to intimate that legal immigration is a bad thing. To do so would just be dumb. It is, however, equally asinine to suggest that open borders and a blanket amnesty for current illegals is a good solution. Control the borders and punish law breakers. Tell people who can't compete in the workplace with cheaper labor to do it better, faster, cheaper or find a different trade.
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What has this country come turned into. :(
scrizo wrote:
What has this country come turned into. :(
Your cutting social commentary is matched only by your ability to form coherent sentences.
scrizo wrote:
What has this country come turned into. :(
The sort of place that turns out semi-literates such as yourself, apparently.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
You guys really should be nicer to the people who are so moved by our coherent and insightful commentary on the state of world that they create a new account just to join the fray. We are inciting discourse and spurring minds to thought! Ours is the legacy of Cicero and Seneca. We let flow from our fingertips wisdom for the masses and they are compelled to join, compelled to respond, compelled to become involved.
Chide this poor young soul not for his initial attempts, for who among us was as polished and eloquent as we have become in our maturity? Encourage him. Lead him to greater accomplishments. Group with him and teleport in, sharing your million coppers, then gate out and leave him to figure out why he can't move. Or just tell him to drink bleach and move on.
But don't use sarcasm and mean-spirited commentary to deride him.
EDIT: because I write like a drunken dyslexic sometimes.
Edited, Jun 18th 2007 10:01am by MoebiusLord
Chide this poor young soul not for his initial attempts, for who among us was as polished and eloquent as we have become in our maturity? Encourage him. Lead him to greater accomplishments. Group with him and teleport in, sharing your million coppers, then gate out and leave him to figure out why he can't move. Or just tell him to drink bleach and move on.
But don't use sarcasm and mean-spirited commentary to deride him.
EDIT: because I write like a drunken dyslexic sometimes.
Edited, Jun 18th 2007 10:01am by MoebiusLord
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Chide this poor young soul not for his initial attempts, for who among us was as polished and eloquent as we have become in our maturity? Encourage him. Lead him to greater accomplishments.
That'll be enough hortatory subjunctivitis out of you, sir.
In a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.
Pearls and swine. Pearls and swine, Bob damnit.
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
Group with him and teleport in, sharing your million coppers, then gate out and leave him to figure out why he can't move.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
That's a brief glimpse of a silly Brit being a f'ucking moron.
Immigration = good.
Illegal immigration = bad.
Why is that so tough for people to understand?
It's those laws I'm referring to. And yes, I do believe in tearing down border immigration controls. They're a comfort blanket we've had for so long we think we need them.
"I started out with nothin' and I still got most of it left" - Seasick Steve
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The only thing that makes it illegal is laws, right?
It's those laws I'm referring to. And yes, I do believe in tearing down border immigration controls. They're a comfort blanket we've had for so long we think we need them.
It's those laws I'm referring to. And yes, I do believe in tearing down border immigration controls. They're a comfort blanket we've had for so long we think we need them.
Laws set the standard for acceptable behavior. As long as standards are not uniform abolishing or loosening controls over immigration is silliness. To suggest otherwise ignores obvious dangers in favor of a lovely form of Utopian ideal that is quite impossible to sustain. Its not about comfort blankets or xenophobia, its about common sense. Kind of like allowing people who can pay for extreme measures to live longer than people who want me to pay for it. Or maybe we could take some lessons from British health care.
i agree with the current addministraitions claim that the current state of our immigration policy is broken.
i also strongly agree with the masses that a blanket amnesty bill is the WRONG way to go. it will only inspire more immigrants to cross into our country illegally and wait for another republican addministraition to give them amnesty.
the solution is not a small fence and forgive and forget the ones that already broke the law. especially a solution that totally ignores our borders with canada, the masses floating in from various islands on the east coast, tighter controll of shipping by boat, aircraft, and ground transportation within our borders.
the current bill does nothing. solves nothing. its just a money giveaway for texas, and mabe a green card for the mexicans working on his ranch or the ranch of one of his buds.
its a waste of 4 billion dollars of OUR tax dollars. it is politics.
we will never be able to stop immigration. adn i dont think we should. or ethnic diversity is one of the things that makes this country so strong. people from all over the world living in one place, and willing to fight to stay here.and living in peace with each other for the most part. a shining role model for the rest of the world. that could never be a bad thing.
and it is not really the immigrants coming to find a better life that are the problem. it is the ones coming here to do us harm, through terrorism, drugs, fraud, or other illegal activities.
i dont think we should be focusing on stopping them as much as focuing on identifying them and being able to keep track of them.
and taking our jobs? what a line of crap. any american willing to spend 10 to 12 hours a day out in the hot sun in a field for less than half of minimum wage can take one of their jobs. hell, the farmers would be glad to have you.
now turn it around, if they all had a SS number, and all were entitled to protection under the federal labor relation laws, including minimum wage, dont you think the farmer or construction boss would rather hire someone who spoke english and understood him if the pay was the same?
drive wages down? another lie. the bussiness paying them low wages have no intention of ever paying good wages. EVER. immigrants or no immigrants. proof? just look at the cruise line industry. they hire people under 6 month contracts for a set wage from third world countries for that exact purpose. then they work them 16 hours a day and get around federal laws by hiring contract labor instead of hourly emploees.
you get rid of the "illegal" immigrants and bussines are not going to pay a dime more for the same job, they will find another way around the labor laws in this country.
they are not stealing jobs or causing pay to go down. the bussiness that use them are. they are just the scape goat for the poor enforcement of federal labor laws in this country. instead of going after the big lobbiestr sponsered sugar cane industry, they go after the poor mexican earning 20 bucks a day picking their fields for 10 to 12 hours a day with no benifits.
just like the whole torture issue in Iraq. protect the big guys who allowed it to happen, and punnish the soldiers at the bottom who got caught doing what they were led to believe was their job.
sadly, the dems are not any better. they are just a bit more people friendly as opposed to the repubs who cater solely to big bussiness.
its time for another tea party.
i also strongly agree with the masses that a blanket amnesty bill is the WRONG way to go. it will only inspire more immigrants to cross into our country illegally and wait for another republican addministraition to give them amnesty.
the solution is not a small fence and forgive and forget the ones that already broke the law. especially a solution that totally ignores our borders with canada, the masses floating in from various islands on the east coast, tighter controll of shipping by boat, aircraft, and ground transportation within our borders.
the current bill does nothing. solves nothing. its just a money giveaway for texas, and mabe a green card for the mexicans working on his ranch or the ranch of one of his buds.
its a waste of 4 billion dollars of OUR tax dollars. it is politics.
we will never be able to stop immigration. adn i dont think we should. or ethnic diversity is one of the things that makes this country so strong. people from all over the world living in one place, and willing to fight to stay here.and living in peace with each other for the most part. a shining role model for the rest of the world. that could never be a bad thing.
and it is not really the immigrants coming to find a better life that are the problem. it is the ones coming here to do us harm, through terrorism, drugs, fraud, or other illegal activities.
i dont think we should be focusing on stopping them as much as focuing on identifying them and being able to keep track of them.
and taking our jobs? what a line of crap. any american willing to spend 10 to 12 hours a day out in the hot sun in a field for less than half of minimum wage can take one of their jobs. hell, the farmers would be glad to have you.
now turn it around, if they all had a SS number, and all were entitled to protection under the federal labor relation laws, including minimum wage, dont you think the farmer or construction boss would rather hire someone who spoke english and understood him if the pay was the same?
drive wages down? another lie. the bussiness paying them low wages have no intention of ever paying good wages. EVER. immigrants or no immigrants. proof? just look at the cruise line industry. they hire people under 6 month contracts for a set wage from third world countries for that exact purpose. then they work them 16 hours a day and get around federal laws by hiring contract labor instead of hourly emploees.
you get rid of the "illegal" immigrants and bussines are not going to pay a dime more for the same job, they will find another way around the labor laws in this country.
they are not stealing jobs or causing pay to go down. the bussiness that use them are. they are just the scape goat for the poor enforcement of federal labor laws in this country. instead of going after the big lobbiestr sponsered sugar cane industry, they go after the poor mexican earning 20 bucks a day picking their fields for 10 to 12 hours a day with no benifits.
just like the whole torture issue in Iraq. protect the big guys who allowed it to happen, and punnish the soldiers at the bottom who got caught doing what they were led to believe was their job.
sadly, the dems are not any better. they are just a bit more people friendly as opposed to the repubs who cater solely to big bussiness.
its time for another tea party.
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Uhhhh, Bush is from Conneticut, not Texas and i pride myself on the fact that that jackass didn't originate from my state.
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handed to the state of Texas. a gift for his home state on his way out the door.
Uhhhh, Bush is from Conneticut, not Texas and i pride myself on the fact that that jackass didn't originate from my state.
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Bush came to the whitehouse from Texas. where he currently lives as well as his familey, which is where he was also Govenor. Texas is where he is going to also when he leaves the whitehouse, unless there truly is justice in this country and he is impeached and tried for war crimes and tossed in jail.
he came from your state. he is coming back to your state. doesnt really matter where he was born.
but hold on to that straw. i would swear up and down he wasnt one of ours either if he came from my state.
he is one of yours. and i doubt anyone else will claim him either, including Conneticut. and honestly, i dont really begrudge him for trying to greese the palms of his home state. they all do it, repubs and dems alike. i just would like for once the media to stop selling it for what it isnt, and start calling it what it is. just another cash giveaway.
we all know it. ray charles can see this bill does nothing but line the coffers of Texas with another 4 billion tax dollars. the illegal immigration problem was here before they got here, and it will be here after he is gone weather this bill passes or not.
its kind of like the whole Paris Hilton thing. a whole lotta hype over something that doesnt really matter one way or another.
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Bush came to the whitehouse from Texas. where he currently lives as well as his familey, which is where he was also Govenor. Texas is where he is going to also when he leaves the whitehouse, unless there truly is justice in this country and he is impeached and tried for war crimes and tossed in jail.
he came from your state. he is coming back to your state. doesnt really matter where he was born.
but hold on to that straw. i would swear up and down he wasnt one of ours either if he came from my state.
he is one of yours. and i doubt anyone else will claim him either, including Conneticut. and honestly, i dont really begrudge him for trying to greese the palms of his home state. they all do it, repubs and dems alike. i just would like for once the media to stop selling it for what it isnt, and start calling it what it is. just another cash giveaway.
we all know it. ray charles can see this bill does nothing but line the coffers of Texas with another 4 billion tax dollars. the illegal immigration problem was here before they got here, and it will be here after he is gone weather this bill passes or not.
its kind of like the whole Paris Hilton thing. a whole lotta hype over something that doesnt really matter one way or another.
Samira wrote:
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why do you think of the 5 states that still dont have a state income tax, 3 of them are the ones with the highest rate of "illegal" immigrants? California, Texas, and Florida.
Not sure what your attempted point is, but California does have a state income tax.
Whew! I was worried I'd been being scammed all these years...
And shadow? I know you love to see a conspiracy behind every bush (haha!), I'm pretty sure if we "followed the money", we'd find that the southern border states end up spending vastly more money on illegal immigrants then they recieve to deal with said immigrants. I know for a fact that this is a *huge* issue here in California. It's arguably the reason why even though California has like the 7th largest economy in the world all by itself, it's slowly going bankrupt. It's all the public services that the state is required to provide or lose federal funding, but the funding doesn't take into account people who are here illegally.
I'm not sure what this 4B is for, or even if you just made it up or something, but it's likely to be a drop in the bucket of what is owed...
King Nobby wrote:
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I'm pretty sure if we "followed the money", we'd find that the southern border states end up spending vastly more money on illegal immigrants then they recieve to deal with said immigrants.
Probably true if you exclude taxes collected on the profits made by corporations employing them. Demonstrably false by any measure if you did include them.
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Well spoken Moe. I've heard from a friend of mine who works border patrol in AZ, that the number of people hopping the border has increased three-fold in the last 90 days. Bush and Kennedy introduce a crap bill, and the borders are swarmed, go figure.
Now, President Bush is a decent chap, I'm sure, but he sucks as the "Leader of the Free World". His plans (not to speak on Clinton, yet) have been some of the worst to date, of any president in the history of this country. He has also proven that he doesn't pay attention to history, otherwise, he'd have known that this same tactic was used back in 1986, and didn't do much of anything to improve the situation either.
The only way to fix this mess legally, is to attack the border situation FIRST. Build a fence, moat, wall, field of landmines and bouncing betties, roving pack of wild man-eating lions, whatever works to keep "them" out. Step two is to fix the lines getting in the door legally. Step three, encourage Mexico to fix their own economy, and ship our brightest analysts in to help. Part two of step three is to start the process of detaining wet backs/border jumpers/illegal aliens/some other stupid non-PC name, and begin processing them to become legal, or be deported. Yes, it will be abnormally expensive, and yeah, it'll take f'n forever, but it's still cheaper in the long run than what we're doing now, and is FAR cheaper than what is about to happen, again.
As for Clinton, all I have to say is this: NAFTA and CAFTA. FUck you very much, Slick Willie.
Now, President Bush is a decent chap, I'm sure, but he sucks as the "Leader of the Free World". His plans (not to speak on Clinton, yet) have been some of the worst to date, of any president in the history of this country. He has also proven that he doesn't pay attention to history, otherwise, he'd have known that this same tactic was used back in 1986, and didn't do much of anything to improve the situation either.
The only way to fix this mess legally, is to attack the border situation FIRST. Build a fence, moat, wall, field of landmines and bouncing betties, roving pack of wild man-eating lions, whatever works to keep "them" out. Step two is to fix the lines getting in the door legally. Step three, encourage Mexico to fix their own economy, and ship our brightest analysts in to help. Part two of step three is to start the process of detaining wet backs/border jumpers/illegal aliens/some other stupid non-PC name, and begin processing them to become legal, or be deported. Yes, it will be abnormally expensive, and yeah, it'll take f'n forever, but it's still cheaper in the long run than what we're doing now, and is FAR cheaper than what is about to happen, again.
As for Clinton, all I have to say is this: NAFTA and CAFTA. FUck you very much, Slick Willie.
Metastophicleas wrote:
I've heard from a friend of mine who works border patrol in AZ, that the number of people hopping the border has increased three-fold in the last 90 days.
No amnesty 4 j00!!!
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
GAH...the dreaded double post!
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