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#1 Jun 13 2007 at 5:18 PM Rating: Sub-Default
This question has almost become rhetorical because most people I know agree that yes, it does.

The fact that most everyone agrees public school is crap and nothing is being done about is a topic in and of itself but I'll just stick to this.

I thought about this after responding to Allegory in my other thread. This link goes to www.ted.com which will have a presentation regarding this very subject.

http://www.ted.com/index.php/talks/view/id/66

I for one whole heartedly agree. Once I got to about 7th grade I started realizing how incredibly bored I was with school. I hated it. The only subject I liked was English and I always excelled at that class but I'd usually do poorly in my other subjects from a perpetual state of boredom. I was horrible at math and I absolutely hated it. All I wanted to do was write. All the time. I would often dream of a high school where all I had to do was focus on writing/english. I would make up for that by reading all the time in school. To the point where I got yelled at for reading and not paying attention in class.

Anyway, what do you guys think? How much do you feel school helped you to face the world today?
#2 Jun 13 2007 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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This question has almost become rhetorical because most people I know agree that yes, it does.

Well, glad we answered that question.

Guess we can lock the thread now.


#3 Jun 13 2007 at 6:08 PM Rating: Good
Public school helped me to be tough enough to beat up the prep school kids on the otherside of town.

Doing the beating > taking a beating.
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#4 Jun 13 2007 at 6:17 PM Rating: Good
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I'd usually do poorly in my other subjects from a perpetual state of boredom. I was horrible at math


Just to clarify, this isn't being "bored" it's commonly referred to as "slow". I was actually "bored" in school because even as a child I was staggeringly brilliant and it had nothing to offer me. I wasn't "bored" because I was ****** at algebra.

Good luck.

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#5 Jun 13 2007 at 6:23 PM Rating: Decent
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At the risk of being seen in public agreeing with Smash...

Um... It's one thing to be bored because the work is so below you that you can fall asleep and still ace the exams. It's another thing to be "horrible" at a subject and *claim* it's because of boredom. No. It's because you are horrible at the subject. Boredom has nothing to do with it.


That's not to say that public education doesn't suck. But your reasons for it sucking aren't particularly sound.
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#6 Jun 13 2007 at 6:29 PM Rating: Good
I found that joining a gang made school much more engaging.
#7 Jun 13 2007 at 6:39 PM Rating: Decent
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I was actually "bored" in school because even as a child I was staggeringly brilliant and it had nothing to offer me.
Since gbaji is getting slow, er, I mean, "bored" in his old age...

Obviously they hadn't put Smash on his anti-delusional meds until he got out of public school.
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That wasn't the part that I was agreeing with, but good point!
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#9 Jun 13 2007 at 7:09 PM Rating: Decent
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Obviously they hadn't put Smash on his anti-delusional meds until he got out of public school.


Not my fault I'm a genius. Trust me, I'd much prefer to be slightly above average like the rest of you idiots.

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#10 Jun 13 2007 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
Smasharoo wrote:

Obviously they hadn't put Smash on his anti-delusional meds until he got out of public school.


Not my fault I'm a genius. Trust me, I'd much prefer to be slightly above average like the rest of you idiots.

First class of the day in high school was always a great time to catch a nap, I assume?
#11 Jun 13 2007 at 7:16 PM Rating: Default
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You kidding? When he was in high school, that was worth a good caning!

Edited, Jun 17th 2007 5:08am by RunawayFive
#12 Jun 13 2007 at 7:42 PM Rating: Decent
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Do public schools kill creativly?


Not in my opinion.

It always seems to be the same ol', same ol' 'coupla loners with a grudge and a trench coat fetish, with too many easy to access assault weapons'.

Now if someone turned up with a flamethrower, or some RPG's while wearing jetpacks, now THAT would be creative.
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#13 Jun 14 2007 at 6:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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But what would really be creative would be outthinking your supposed oppressors.

Nahhhhhhhhhhhh.
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#14 Jun 14 2007 at 6:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm both terrible at math AND bored by it.

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#15 Jun 14 2007 at 6:46 AM Rating: Decent
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How do public schools kill creativity? By teaching theories, laws, and rules of society? What you were looking for is some sort of hippy tree-hugging school where everyone is "ok" and you get to do whatever you want whenever you want it.
Public school is the best wakeup you will ever receive, you don't get to do whatever you want when you feel like it. Sit up, pay attention and learn to jump through hoops. Otherwise you better be looking forward to your job in the fine fields of food service or master of the custodial arts.
Be creative on your own damn time.

Until then, get over it.

Edited, Jun 14th 2007 10:47am by NephthysWanderer
#17 Jun 14 2007 at 7:23 AM Rating: Good
I went to public school and during the first few years I found my creativity greatly encouraged. During second grade I didn't attend my regular class more than two days a week, and the rest of the time I worked one-on-one with a woman named Mrs Peterson. All I did was write, because it had been discovered during some spelling assignment where the class was required to write a story using the words on the spelling list that I was better than the other children.

I wrote three books that year, and the school had them bound and published and placed in the library. I wrote about my dog and the adventures of other anthropomorphic things. It was perfect. I was lucky to know what I wanted to do with my life by the time I was seven.

Of course, I was able to do this because my first grade class worked at it's own pace by means of packets which contained our lessons. By the time I completed first grade I was doing algebra that I wouldn't see in a classsroom again for another six or seven years.

I'm special, though, and I don't think that public schools should be encouraging most retards to be creative. Most students should probably just have a strict schedule to follow, regardless of what it's filled with, because they're bound to be slaves to a clock sooner or later, anyway.

Edited, Jun 14th 2007 8:57am by Barkingturtle
#18 Jun 14 2007 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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I never did the homework, or sometimes the classwork, but my test averages in all but one class were solid 'A's


Phys Ed?

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#19 Jun 14 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:

I never did the homework, or sometimes the classwork, but my test averages in all but one class were solid 'A's


Phys Ed?


I hated Phys Ed...especially the rope/net/whatever climbing. I'm pretty sure I passed because gym teachers like watching me jog. Also: I'm an excellent line dancer.

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#20 Jun 14 2007 at 8:27 AM Rating: Good
I stopped doing classwork right around 9th grade. I didn't feel like taking Calculus, History and Science classes were a joke and I had read everything my English teachers thought about putting in to a syllabus already. I showed up 3 or 4 times a week, aced tests and gladly accepted a "C" from those willing to give it. Public school didn't kill my creativity, but it certainly did nothing to foster a sense of it or to encourage my involvement. I coasted through school and now I can coast through a decent job. Its a great feeling delivering beyond the wildest expectations of a client base without ever breaking a sweat.
#21 Jun 14 2007 at 9:08 AM Rating: Good
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MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
I stopped doing classwork right around 9th grade. I didn't feel like taking Calculus, History and Science classes were a joke and I had read everything my English teachers thought about putting in to a syllabus already. I showed up 3 or 4 times a week, aced tests and gladly accepted a "C" from those willing to give it. Public school didn't kill my creativity, but it certainly did nothing to foster a sense of it or to encourage my involvement. I coasted through school and now I can coast through a decent job. Its a great feeling delivering beyond the wildest expectations of a client base without ever breaking a sweat.


You sound like the ideal person to work for a company that espouses a Results Oriented Work Environment,(ROWE). Link is from a Business Week article which cites Best Buy's Home Ofice as an example: "No big business has smashed the clock quite so resolutely as Best Buy. The official policy for this post-face-time, location-agnostic way of working is that people are free to work wherever they want, whenever they want, as long as they get their work done."

Edited, Jun 14th 2007 1:10pm by fhrugby
#22 Jun 14 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm special, though


Not really. Just above average.

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MoebiusLord the Irrelevant wrote:
I stopped doing classwork right around 9th grade. I didn't feel like taking Calculus, History and Science classes were a joke and I had read everything my English teachers thought about putting in to a syllabus already. I showed up 3 or 4 times a week, aced tests and gladly accepted a "C" from those willing to give it. Public school didn't kill my creativity, but it certainly did nothing to foster a sense of it or to encourage my involvement. I coasted through school and now I can coast through a decent job. Its a great feeling delivering beyond the wildest expectations of a client base without ever breaking a sweat.


That pretty much sums up my school and work experience, except I did attend class, I just slept through them with my eyes open.
#25 Jun 14 2007 at 10:17 AM Rating: Good
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You sound like the ideal person to work for a company that espouses a Results Oriented Work Environment,(ROWE).

That article was covered pretty well here in the Twin Cities, what with Best Buy being a local company and all. My boss doesn't care if I ever show up to work. As long as sh;t gets done, he's cool with whatever I do. It helps being 1000 miles away from him and anyone else I happen to work with, but just the same its pretty f'ucking cool.
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