A matter of PhysicsFollow

Or watch 300 and speculate on the heterosexual practices of Ancient Greece.

Or watch The Patriot and speculate...

Or watch Pearl Harbour and...

Or watch Marie-Antoinette...

Or watch...

Or...

Anyway, Holywood isn't that big on historical movies, is it?

I'm just wondering what this has to do with the Science channel.

It has to do with the "Science Channel" programing being largely oversimplified poorly edited **** thrown together to provide some way to pass the time for Star Trek fans when they're not cyboring in Klingon.

Ugh. I never could stand Star Trek. Except for a few of the first batch of movies, and the glorious cheesiness of the original series.

Edited, Jun 16th 2007 3:31am by Debalic

I didn't see you add anything to this thread, ****.

I'm of the belief that OOT'ers add nothing but wasted space in any thread, so stfu cnut. Oh and "****"? Seriously, sooooo last year. I prefer kumquat.

Seriously people, you are like a bunch of teenagers asking the big questions about dog and the universe and acting as if no one else asked these same questions themselves, trained someone elses. I only read the science magazines causualy and yet... ah fUck it. Here's the answer to your question Katie:

Colliding Black Holes

Two Supermassive Black Holes Spiraling Toward Collision

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there is a correlation to the beginning of our universe - the Big Bang - and the phenomenon that occurs in this universe, that of the black hole. The Big Bang is the theory that our universe was begat of a singularity - an infinitely small, infinitely dense point that exploded into all the matter that currently exists.

Time is just an other dimension. So the idea of there being a "real" begining and end of existence as we know it would be a skewed falsehood in truth.
This is is you don't recognize the distinction betwixt "existence" and the "universe". When you are focused from within the Time dimension however, you may measure all you want about the processes that comprise your particular pocket of space/time.

So to say that our universe WAS begat on a singularity is a bit "off" for me. I would say that is IS begat on a singularity; and yet even that is skewed because it still intones particulate time. A point that is "infinately small" as you say... That would probabably be the level where the rules of Time/Space are not applicable... you get into raw data that is seperate from the rules of the physical universe.. because they are that "small". The notion of the point "exploded into all the matter that currently exists" would simply mean the application of Order (Space/Time) that is to say; The SINGULARITY is the Source of ALL Matter in the Universe as it kind of "explodes" out into these dimensions and essentially through ideas like Space and Time provides the building block for the Order and Patterns that make up the universe as we know it. The singularity is still there. Is is like the filament of a light bulb. It emits order and the pattern that organizes this "data" into the reality and all points of time and space that we exist in.. things made of things made of things... but once you break it down ultimatly.. the singularity is there in a constant state of creation.

The notions of things disappearing in one "place" and reappearing in another "place" is just indicative of that Singularity acting as a HUB through space/time and that energy patterns(matter) can be manipulated to the same "vibes" as certain portals into space/time that would take you down further levels into the lesser formed orginization patterns of existance and allow you to traverse space/time...
It's like tunnels leading into tunnels into tunnels as Space/Time as WE know it is so warped there that it will pass you through the common dimension.

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Essentially, the matter collected into a black hole is spit out into a new universe, a pocket universe that may be a step lower on the hierarchy of our own. This leads to the conclusion that our own universe was spawned from another universe 'above' ours, and that our universe subsequently spits out others.

I would include any kind of substantial pattern that is yet seperate from that of our own universe; an other universe... However my idea is that Our physical universe is One particular "state" of Energy... thus when something is Created that matches our own state within the Laws of Physics.... it would be our Same Universe.
The matter that is collected into a black hole is sometimes viewed as DATA. Be it that case that this data may still contain some Information about it's origins and source or make some kind of contribution towards what it's "usage" would be on the "Other Side" of the Black Hole (hub) then you could relly say that no Information is ever lost but merely goies on to participate in further acts of Creation in other Levels of Existance.. be it another part of our own universe or in another Plane of Existance alltogether.


Edited, Jun 17th 2007 12:48pm by Kelvyquayo

I am here to serve.

OMG is a singularity.

Less philosophy and more science please.

To respond to the original question, the idea of black holes engender other universes as depicted in cartoons and movies is highly unlikely, however if the word universe is appropriately redefined for a specific contextual usage it is possible.

But black holes are not mystic phenomenon. They function within the same rules as all other physical phenomenon, it is just that we have yet to accurately describe how all the force we've witness act.

Sorry I am not a transcendental idealist.

Edit: Cause I'm good at quoting.

Edited, Jun 18th 2007 5:00am by Allegory

I am in the same boat as you. No education to speak of, but I've read up about basic physics and some other stuff on my own time, since I was 13 actually, 19 now. It really is a privilege that we have access to this kind of modern research. Our generation does not just ponder stuff... We feck with it too. ^^

At any rate, for along time we thought that nothing can escape a black hole. However, Dr. Hawking discovered Hawking Radiation. Which is emitted from black holes.

Actually, it is both emitted from the black hole, and sucked into the black hole. Even stranger, both parts respond to interaction regardless of which part was exposed to it. In theory, this would let us see whats on the other side, but not without extreme difficulty.

I've not read too much on "White holes" Though they sound very interesting. I've thought perhaps Black holes might link to another part of this universe... But a brand new one... Hmmmm, There are many other theories that suggest limitless universes... Maybe several of those theories are true... Thats mind-boggling.

Another amazing concept is "Dark Matter" and "Dark Energy".

The thought that the absence of matter exerts force makes me think "The Big Bang" theory could actually be how things here got started. If not something even stranger... That reminds me of an amusing quote:

"There is a theory which states that if ever for any reason anyone discovers what exactly the Universe is for and why it is here it will instantly disappear and be replaced by something even more bizarre and inexplicable. There is another that states that this has already happened."

Anyway, I best keep this short. But if you do have an interest in this kinda stuff, you should get a subscription to discover mag, or even just check out their site, all the articles are there for free. :) http://discovermagazine.com

P.S.

Was reading some comments before I posted, and I don't wanna start another ramble but... To briefly respond to a few things I saw...

As far as I know, Hawking radiation is the only thing that can escape a black hole. It contains an imprint of everything that went into the hole, but you would need 100% of the "Out-falling" radiation to decode the information


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Speed of light: 186,000 miles per second.(Rounded down) A theory says that at that speed matter would cease to exist. We have moved particles in labs to within 1 mph of that speed and mapped all kinds of reactions. The part about time slowing down is proven.


Until recently, we have had to assume there were forces at work we were not yet aware of, we still assume this. However, recently, we discovered that "Nothing" or the absence of something, does indeed have weight, and does indeed have force. 1 pound of nothing would be a cube with sides measuring 250,000 square miles.

Imo, maybe if all that nothing just sat around for a few billion years, enough force would pent up to cause a massive explosion...? O.o


Hawking Radiation. The interesting part is those "Sister particles" remain linked no matter how far apart they are.

Ok I'll stop for real this time. Good thread though.

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I guess I'm just too cool for school.

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