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#102 Jun 08 2007 at 8:23 AM Rating: Decent
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He's going to complain no matter which car you choose, so do yourself a favour, and save some money by buying him a pinto.
#103 Jun 08 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Excellent
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RunawayFive wrote:
He's going to complain no matter which car you choose, so do yourself a favour, and save some money by buying him a pinto.


I was thinking that and decided a pacer was much more demeaning.
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#104 Jun 08 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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WTF I'm 20 and still don't have a ******* care. My parents didn't buy me one, they're making me buy my own; still. And he's complaining? I'd say "Okay, well then you don't get any car" and actually not give it to him. Send it my way. lol
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#105 Jun 08 2007 at 8:45 AM Rating: Decent
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Here he comes
Her comes Speed Racer
He's a demon on wheels
He's a demon and he's gonna be chasin' after someone.

He's gainin' on you so you better look alive.
He's busy revvin' up a powerful Mach 5.

And when the odds are against him
And there's dangerous work to do
You bet your life Speed Racer
Will see it through.

Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer, Go!

He's off and flyin' as he guns the car around the track
He's jammin' down the pedal like he's never comin' back
Adventure's waitin' just ahead.


Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer
Go Speed Racer, Go!



Edited, Jun 8th 2007 12:45pm by LurkinAround
#106 Jun 08 2007 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Drifting is something that should never be done with a regular car on public roads. I'd imagine it requires racing suspension and in particular, tires on a well-maintained racetrack to pull off properly. Johnny in his $12,000 Civic would just likely flip off the road like an ant being flicked off a counter-top.
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#107 Jun 08 2007 at 10:06 AM Rating: Good
Did you people forget that Smash is a liberal ****** from the East Coast or are you all just having sh;ts watching him babble? Of course he thinks the kid should get what he wants. It falls in line with his world view. Bob forbid we make someone learn a lesson. Give them what they want for free and make the productive members of society pay for it.

Personally, I have no problem with the kid's attitude. He's a kid. He's supposed to have a sh;tty attitude. The real problem here is that Thumby's a f'ucking blight on the surface of the world. People like you are helping to hand-hold America to the sh;tter so it can flush itself. Coddle him some more, why don't you. I'm sure he'd love some hooker cash or fake ID money just for using more oxygen than he's worth. I mean, Bob forbid you tell your son to man up, grow a pair and get better at life.

I didn't have to buy a car until I was 30 years old. I drove the last car my parents gave me until it died on the side of the road. It was a great giant cow pie painted to cover the brown decaying recycled grass. But I sure as f'uck didn't complain about it. Why? Because my dad would have been happy to let me walk and store that thing in the driveway for a decade to remind me that I was an ungrateful *******.
#108 Jun 08 2007 at 10:42 AM Rating: Decent
This isn't the son that was caught up in a mob lynching of a retarded kid a few weeks ago, right?


Or am I thinking of a different poster?
#109 Jun 08 2007 at 11:10 AM Rating: Good
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He's also a fan of drifting

You mean a fan of pretending he can drift.


If drifting is just going around corners fast so that the car skids, how could you really fail at it? I mean, assuming your car will allow it without just rolling over or something, haha.

Nexa


Generally the failure would occur at around the point of the entrance of the corner at 70mph, when he realises he doesn't actually know how to drift, resulting in the car plowing in a straight line into a wall/fence/person resulting in injury or more probably death. That's a pretty big fail right there.
#110 Jun 08 2007 at 11:16 AM Rating: Excellent
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My first car: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chevrolet_Celebrity


Oh, and /echo everyone from the first page. Smiley: laugh
#111 Jun 08 2007 at 11:23 AM Rating: Decent
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I'm reading between the lines of the op. It's the only way this makes sense.



(btw, my two young adult children, while home from college, get to share my old 1993 Taurus Wagon...pretty dam nice of me to let um use it)

Edited, Jun 8th 2007 9:25pm by Elinda
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#112 Jun 08 2007 at 12:40 PM Rating: Default
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Did you grow up poor?


Poor? No. No one on this board grew up anything close to resembling poor. Middle class where my parents could barely afford their own car when I was 16, yes.

That's not the point, though. The point is that they can afford to give the kid a car that he hates or a car that he likes and the majority is advocating giving him a car that he hates because they're pissed off that a teenager doesn't appreciate that he's lucky to get a car at all. It has absolutely zero to do with the kids actions and everything to do with the kids actions relative to most posters personal experiences around the same age. Hence the 900 "My first car was an AMC Pacer that ran on ground bunny meal!!" posts.

Why not make the kid happy? He's either going to mature to feel grateful for the chance to have a car or he's not. Having a car he thinks is sh*tty isn't going to help him along that path any.


I can't believe it, but I actually agree with Smash on something. It feels kinda icky, but more in a "I'm so naughty" kind of way.

If you can afford to buy him a car he actually likes by selling the BMW, vs. giving him the car he doesn't like, definitely buy him something he'll enjoy. You're not spoiling him completely rotten, plus if it's a car he actually likes and will tinker with he'll learn a lot from that too. Hell, how much are you going to be paying for the new stereo system, rims, and paint job? Sell the car, and put the sum total towards something he wants.
#113 Jun 08 2007 at 1:05 PM Rating: Good
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This is my real first car, but it only worked downhill.
#114 Jun 08 2007 at 4:01 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll be getting my license soon, and it's likely I'm going to be the inheritor of my mom's 2002 Toyota Matrix (manual transmission). It's also likely that I'm going to have to pay a fair amount for it, as otherwise it would be traded in to assist my mom in buying a new car. I will probably pay for insurance (which is fucking huge right now) and gas.

And I'm more than happy with that.
#115 Jun 08 2007 at 5:13 PM Rating: Good
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I can't believe it, but I actually agree with Smash on something. It feels kinda icky, but more in a "I'm so naughty" kind of way.


Don't you hate that, even when you know he's trollin'?

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if it's a car he actually likes and will tinker with he'll learn a lot from that too. Hell, how much are you going to be paying for the new stereo system, rims, and paint job? Sell the car, and put the sum total towards something he wants.


Almost right.
If he hates the BMW that much, then let him sell it at his expense. He can buy the car he wants with the money, and he doesn't get the extra cash that you were going to spend to spruce the BMW. He gets the privilege of learning how free enterprise works, he gets to make some adult decisions, and live with the consequences.
#116 Jun 08 2007 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Our son has been lusting after an Evo or a tear-drop body-style BMW, which we told him point-blank that was not in our budget.

Smash wrote:
The point is that they can afford to give the kid a car that he hates or a car that he likes

Not the car that he likes. At that age, anything but what he's already stated will cause a hissy, so why bother?

In Peru you have a saying= "Quitas la voluntad." It roughly translates to "You take away the will." It's what you say to someone when you are trying to do something for them and they pout, because it robs you of the pleasure of giving them a gift. Teaching your child to have grace when things don't go his way is a skill he'll need much more than he needs that car.
#117 Jun 08 2007 at 7:24 PM Rating: Decent
I don't know if anyone brought this up or not but here are the specs of a Evo VIII
 
    * Base Price (estimated MSRP): $35,392 
    * Body Type: 4-door sedan 
    * Layout: front engine, AWD 
    * Engine: 274 hp, 295 lb-ft of torque, 2.0-L, 16-valve, DOHC turbocharged I-4 
    * Transmission: 6-spd manual 
    * Brakes (front/rear): disc/disc, ABS, EBD 
    * Curb Weight: 3,085 lbs 
    * Acceleration (0 - 60 mph): 4.4 seconds 
    * Acceleration (0-1,320 ft or ¼ mile): 12.9 sec @ 107.6 mph 
    * Braking (from 60 / 80 mph): 117 / 195 ft 
    * Cargo Volume (trunk): 11.3 cu ft 
    * Seating Capacity: 5 
    * Fuel Economy (city/hwy): N/A 
    * Warranty (mo/miles): 36/36,000 comprehensive - 120/120,000 powertrain 
    * Direct Competitors: Subaru Impreza WRX STi 
    * Web Site: www.mitsubishicars.com 


Now I might be wrong, but I do believe those things come stock with a 15psi turbo. Which doesn't sound like much psi but it's quite tremendous.

For his safety a Evo VIII is just too much car for a 16 year old. If you did get it for him, I could see him in an accident in the matter of months.


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Edited, Jun 8th 2007 8:26pm by Rimesume
#118 Jun 09 2007 at 7:13 PM Rating: Decent
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Get him the cheapest safe car you can. A car is a tool, not a toy.
#119 Jun 09 2007 at 10:43 PM Rating: Decent
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I started off with a POS Saturn that I took over the payments on from a family friend after that died I spent all of my tiny tax return on a POS Escort and after that died I spent yet another tiny tax return on my 2000 Cougar and I love that damn car more than I would any child I could have.

Kids lucky to get any car right off the bat. If he wants to drift that bad get him a XBox or a PS2 and a copy of Need for Speed Carbon he can drift all he wants and not kill himself in the process
#120 Jun 10 2007 at 11:35 AM Rating: Good
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On a related note, Drifting is a great adrenaline rush if you've learned to control radical over and under-steer, use the handbrake when it's needed to kick out the rear end, and most of all, become a very experienced driver.

Any dweeb who thinks drifting is something you do in your early years of motoring is likely to kill himself and a few others pretty quickly.

I recommend you try drifting yourself first off; then ask yourself if you'd feel comfortable letting Jr try it.

As a bonus, you're likely to write-off the BMW in the process, thus saving yourself a dilemma. Win Win!
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#121 Jun 10 2007 at 1:09 PM Rating: Decent
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On a related note, Drifting is a great adrenaline rush if you've learned to control radical over and under-steer, use the handbrake when it's needed to kick out the rear end, and most of all, become a very experienced driver.


Also saves time when making uturns.

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#122 Jun 10 2007 at 1:15 PM Rating: Good
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Also saves time when making uturns.
As a responsible motorist, I would never do such a thing.

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#123 Jun 10 2007 at 1:26 PM Rating: Excellent
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You know what would be absurd? Drift monster truck races!
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#124 Jun 10 2007 at 11:30 PM Rating: Decent
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I was given my mom's 89 caviler. She did home health and was getting a new car so gave that to me for graduation. (1 was 16 when i graduated high school) had 100,000 miles already when i got it and i drove it for 7 years. It had 294,000 on it when i sold it for 500 and the guy totaled it within the year. I was happy just to have a car since we dont really have any public transportation where i live.
#125 Jun 11 2007 at 6:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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AtomicFlea wrote:
Teaching your child to have grace when things don't go his way is a skill he'll need much more than he needs that car.


Exactly.

So what happened? Did he reconcile himself to the situation?
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#126 Jun 11 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
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Teaching your child to have grace when things don't go his way is a skill he'll need much more than he needs that car.


Exactly.

So what happened? Did he reconcile himself to the situation?


And that's what really set me off to begin with, the aura of "my parents gypped me" emanating from him all weekend.

Update:

So the son basically had an attitude all weekend. He knows that as much as he wants to pout, sulk and whatever, he's entitled to his feelings, but he better not be taking out on his family. He was reminded that driving is a privilege, not an entitlement or a right, and if he wants to have an issue about the car he's allowed to drive, we'll make it easy for him and not allow him to drive at all. We thought we provided a good compromise and if he keeps acting like he thinks the car we are providing him is a POS, we'll just take it away.
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