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#1 Jun 06 2007 at 5:19 PM Rating: Good
So, in my 25 years I've yet to go to a Casino. I've also yet to attend a Batchelor party that didn't include naked women. However, unless I'm really lucky this weekend, I'll be doing both.

So I'm here to ask for some tips from anyone more experienced than I in the fine art of throwing your money away. I'm heading down to Foxwoods down in Connecticut, so I'm assuming the rules of the games are pretty much standard in the US. I've played Poker, Blackjack, and have no interest in slots.

Or atleast I won't until I'm almost out of money.

I get Blackjack, but wouldn't mind some pointers from anyone more experienced. Roulette seems fairly easy to pick up, but I haven't played it so my implementation might not be correct.

And then there's craps. I've read the rules. I understood the words that I read. However, when attempting to string the words together in order to make sense of this game, I failed. Miserably. I do not understand the game at all.

Any tips would be appreciated. And I promise that if I win atleast $15, I'll even renew my Premium.
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#2 Jun 06 2007 at 5:25 PM Rating: Good
Play Let It Ride. It's basically poker. You put up three bets(I'll use fifteen dollar bets for an example) totaling forty-five dollars. The dealer deals out three cards to everyone at the table. At that point you get the option to "pull it back." Which means if your cards are *** you can pull back one of your fifteen dollar bets.

After that's done the dealer flips one card. You'll get the opportunity to pull another bet back if your cards still blow. After that, the dealer flips one more card. Regardless of the card you cannot pull back your last bet.

Most of the time the payout starts at a pair of jacks. So if you don't have a pair of jacks on the initial deal, pull a bet back. Your goal is to make the best poker hand you can and you're playing against the cards, not the other people or dealer. Let It Ride is a sh*tload of fun but you have to be prepared to lose a little.

Edited, Jun 6th 2007 9:26pm by Brill
#3 Jun 06 2007 at 5:27 PM Rating: Good
Always drink what you gamble.
#4 Jun 07 2007 at 12:44 AM Rating: Default
Few tips.

1. Always tip well;
2. Do not bid on games or horses;
3. Play BJ (black jack) best odds out of em all (machines or table games);
4. Start free online w/ pogo.com;
5. Thank me when over.

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#5 Jun 07 2007 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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I've been to Foxwoods a couple of times, never as part of a bachelor party though.

On most weekends, the cheapest Blackjack tables you'll find will be $25 minimum bet, unless you manage to get a seat at the one handicapped-accessible table which is $15 minimum. I recommend staying away from the Blackjack tables unless you're going down there with a particularly large bankroll. Even if you play with perfect strategy and get your odds up to 48.6% or whatever it is depending on the house rules, you need to be willing to go pretty deep in the hole if you want to be able to play long enough for those odds to actually matter. Last time I was there I lost $300 in my first half-hour at the Blackjack tables playing with perfect strategy, and it kind of put a damper on the rest of the night.

If you're good at playing Hold'em, I recommend spending most of your night at the poker tables. It's the best odds you'll find since you're not playing against the house, you'd be surprised how many people play at those tables who don't know the first thing about poker.

Edit: If Roulette or other table games have lower limits, those might not be bad to try. Most of them have very similar odds, and Roulette is only like 1-2% worse odds than Blackjack which really isn't that much of a difference if you're only playing a few games.

Edited, Jun 7th 2007 12:42pm by kylen
#6 Jun 07 2007 at 9:21 AM Rating: Decent
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Play Let It Ride. It's basically poker.


It's as similar to poker as baseball is to cheese. It also has an enormous built in *** raping house edge.


I've played Poker


Meaning you know a flush beats a straight, or that you can play a little? If you can play a little, play $2/$4 limit holdem. You'd have to try pretty hard to drop more than $100 in a bad night, and if you can play virtually at all you'll probably make a little money.

If you want something mindless instead, play craps, only bet the pass line, and take odds when they're offered. The house edge is marginal. Avoid other bets entirely, that's the key to playing craps, the installed house edge on some of the other bets is quite large.

If you want to play James Bond, play Baccarat. It's a completely mechanical game where you literally cannot make a bad decision, because there are no decisions. Avoid the "tie" bet as the house edge is very large, but the edge on the player or bank bets is really very marginal.

Don't be afraid to ask staff if you don't know something, they're used to it. Don't play slots because you're uncomfortable playing table games, you'll just end up losing more money more quickly and have a much ******** time. The poker room is non smoking, and there are smoking and non smoking table game areas, if you don't smoke definitely make sure to play in one of those.

Good luck.



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#7 Jun 07 2007 at 9:22 AM Rating: Decent
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NorseGoddess wrote:
Few tips.

1. Always tip well;
2. Do not bid on games or horses;
3. Play BJ (black jack) best odds out of em all (machines or table games);
4. Start free online w/ pogo.com;
5. Thank me when over.

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Thank you for bad advice?

Poker > Black Jack
#8 Jun 07 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
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Poker > Black Jack


Not if you're bad at it.

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#9 Jun 07 2007 at 9:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Poker > Black Jack


Not if you're bad at it.


I encourage bad players to sit and play a few hundred rounds.
#10 Jun 07 2007 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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I have a different view on the $2/$4 limit tables. I think it is easier to win if you are playing with people who know at least a bit about what they are doing as opposed to people who are willing to drop $500 and not have a damn clue how to distinguish between a flush and a straight. When facing those people, it is virtually impossible to push them out of the hand and they end up taking your money when their 2 shows up on the river when all they had going in was a pocket pair of 2's with AQKJ showing. Grant it, they eventually lose their stash but it never ends up going back to me. Maybe I'm just bitter.
#11 Jun 07 2007 at 11:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Mearyk wrote:
I have a different view on the $2/$4 limit tables. I think it is easier to win if you are playing with people who know at least a bit about what they are doing as opposed to people who are willing to drop $500 and not have a damn clue how to distinguish between a flush and a straight. When facing those people, it is virtually impossible to push them out of the hand and they end up taking your money when their 2 shows up on the river when all they had going in was a pocket pair of 2's with AQKJ showing. Grant it, they eventually lose their stash but it never ends up going back to me. Maybe I'm just bitter.


Maybe you just suck.
#12 Jun 07 2007 at 11:52 AM Rating: Decent
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Meh. That could be some of the problem, but I don't think you can honestly say it hasn't happened to you on numerous occassions.
#13 Jun 07 2007 at 12:04 PM Rating: Decent
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I think it is easier to win if you are playing with people who know at least a bit about what they are doing as opposed to people who are willing to drop $500 and not have a damn clue how to distinguish between a flush and a straight. When facing those people, it is virtually impossible to push them out of the hand and they end up taking your money when their 2 shows up on the river when all they had going in was a pocket pair of 2's with AQKJ showing. Grant it, they eventually lose their stash but it never ends up going back to me. Maybe I'm just bitter.


No, it's more you just don't understand poker at all.

If you think you make more money playing against better players than terrible players you're clearly missing out on some simple math, sparky.

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#14 Jun 07 2007 at 12:15 PM Rating: Decent
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For me, it is easier to read people who know what they are doing as opposed to someone who doesn't. With people who are completely clueless, I just get pissed at them and will call them no matter what I have. That is my major downfall when I go to play in the poker rooms.

And Smash: things are a lot different on limit tables. $4 bets and $4 re-raises don't usually push people out. In limit, you either have the hand or you don't. There is little to no bluffing involved.
#15 Jun 07 2007 at 12:37 PM Rating: Decent
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Smasharoo wrote:
If you think you make more money playing against better players than terrible players you're clearly missing out on some simple math, sparky.


And some easy money.
#16 Jun 07 2007 at 1:03 PM Rating: Good
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I play at a casino fairly often, playing texas hold'em - it's the only game I play. Reason being I will never play against the house, the odds are always against you, but with poker its quite possible to come out ahead as the normal result. In the short term this is mostly luck, in the long term its mostly skill.

The things to know if you're playing against the house, or poker without much playing time/experience is to go in expecting to lose, set your loss limit before hand and bring only enough such that you don't end up being able to get at more money. Know beforehand, and before any inebriation, if you're there to play for fun or to win. If for fun, don't stress a whole lot, just try to figure out the best action any time you have a choice and make it - but don't stress out about it too much. If trying to win you need to consider it work - and probably need a lot more prep time.

Poker games can be variable, some low level (2/4, or 3/6) hold'em games end up with average pot sizes in the 20's others end up in the 60's or 80's. You can usually get a feel for the table after 20 or so hands (2 rounds of blinds normally) and if its not towards your liking request a table change. In poker, the dealer is there to make the game fair and to make sure every player has an even shot. If you're uncertain about a rule ask, but if asking will affect the play and you are not in, wait till after that hand is over. With poker at least a customary tip (toke) is $1 after winning a hand. If its a small pot (<$10) its acceptable not to tip. If its a larger hand (>$100) its fair to tip more but not required. I'd advise staying out of a no limit game unless you have a good feel for the game and a willingness to push all the chips out into the pot when you think you've got the winning hand. If you spend the game worried about losing the chips you have you tend to get into a weak tight mode and get pushed around.

Good luck and enjoy your foray into the temple of hedonism.
#17 Jun 07 2007 at 1:20 PM Rating: Decent
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And Smash: things are a lot different on limit tables. $4 bets and $4 re-raises don't usually push people out. In limit, you either have the hand or you don't. There is little to no bluffing involved.

Hi. I play for A LIVING. I'll probably play 100,000 hands of limit holdem this year. Games where people call anything to the river are like ******* Christmas. I often start to giggle excitedly if I realize a table is really loose and passive and playing like a $2/$4 table.


I just get pissed at them and will call them no matter what I have.


You're just bad at poker. It's really ok, most people are. Being ahead 20 to 1 is just that, being ahead 20 to 1. Over the long term you'll win 19 out of 20 and lose the rest. So if you go to the river against two outers 1000 times you'll lose 50 of those times. That's just poker. If the bad players never won a hand they'd play something else. Thank god they do.


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#18 Jun 07 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Good
Thanks for the advice. I'm not an expert poker player, however I've played Texas Hold Em' both online and IRL. I know the rank of hands and know when to fold, although I admittadly have a hard time folding before the flop. That being the case, I'm much better at limit hold em rather than no limit.

I'm also only bringing $500 with me and leaving my Credit cards at home, so no limit wouldn't be an option as is.

I kinda get the pass line bet. You win with a roll of 7 or 11, lose if it's 2, 3, or 12. If you roll a point, (4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10), you have to roll the point again before rolling a 7, or you lose.

Odds seem pretty easy too, after rolling a point and "taking odds", you win various amounts depending on the point as long as you roll it again before you roll another 7.

Baccarat seems confusing.
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#19 Jun 07 2007 at 1:35 PM Rating: Good
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FYI no-limit games usually do limit what you're allowed to sit down with, because having a massive chip stack relative to everyone else can be an advantage - for example most 1-2 no limit games will have a $100 minimum and $300 maximum for a new player sitting down.
#20 Jun 11 2007 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
Started Saturday with $400
After transportation to Mohegan Sun, lunch, booze, cigarettes, and the hotel room I was down about $100.
I lost another $50 on the ponies, but since it was the Belmont, I felt I had too.
I ended up getting back my $50 and making another $80 on the slots.
So I was then down a whopping $20.
Dinner dropped me another $40, I lost $75 on blackjack (3 games, $25 min.)
I made back another $50 on craps.
That left me down $85.
Then I lost another $40 on slots.
After the cab ride to the strip club, I had $220 left.
I lost that on sluts.
But I did get a calender to show for it.

BTW, unless you're REALLY drunk, you can skip the strip club in Groton. One girl had a gunshot wound on her booty and two had birthscars.

If it wasn't for the midget waitress in the boustier (sp?)who served us, the night woulda been a waste.
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#21 Jun 11 2007 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
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Calling stations can be a pain in the *** at first. But Smash is right, for the most part. As long as you don't keep playing crap hands trying to catch junk (and becoming a calling station in the process) then they're just easy money.
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