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#1 May 29 2007 at 3:58 PM Rating: Good
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Now that the 'surge' is 'succeeding' so well in Baghdad, its heartwarming to see that construction projects are proceeding apace, and that one of the most important ones is on-time for its projected completion and grand opening in September. Link.

$592 million Dollars seems like a bargain, when you consider that -

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This self-contained compound will include the embassy itself, residences for the ambassador and staff, PX, commissary, cinema, retail and shopping, restaurants, schools, fire station and supporting facilities such as power generation, water purification system, telecommunications, and waste water treatment facilities. In total, the 104 acre compound will include over twenty buildings including one classified secure structure and housing for over 380 families.



The paltry sum of $1.2 Billion a year will be needed to maintain the edifice and supply all the comforts of home to the 1000 or so officials, and the several thousand more support staff.

When all the news coming from Iraq seems bad, its nice to know that some things are going to plan.

Why tho does this picture keep springing un-invited to my mind?
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#2 May 29 2007 at 4:10 PM Rating: Excellent
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$592 million Dollars seems like a bargain
That's less than Chicago spent rennovating Soldier Field. And I'm pretty sure Soldier Field doesn't have "residences for the ambassador and staff, PX, commissary, cinema, retail and shopping, restaurants, schools, fire station and supporting facilities such as power generation, water purification system, telecommunications, and waste water treatment facilities."

Well, it does have some concession stands and you can buy a Bears sweatshirt.

Edited, May 29th 2007 7:10pm by Jophiel
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#3 May 29 2007 at 4:10 PM Rating: Good
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Color me skeptical, but I find it unlikely that it'll cost 1.2 billion dollars per year to support a structure that cost 592 million to build. More likely, that's the entire projected budget for all of Iraq, not just this one structure.

Where'd you get those numbers?
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gbaji wrote:
Color me skeptical, but I find it unlikely that it'll cost 1.2 billion dollars per year to support a structure that cost 592 million to build.
Every year they should knock it down and build two new ones!
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#5 May 29 2007 at 4:45 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji said

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Color me skeptical, but I find it unlikely that it'll cost 1.2 billion dollars per year to support a structure that cost 592 million to build.

Where'd you get those numbers?


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Although the State Department has not budged from an original embassy price tag of $592 million, Sen. Patrick J. Leahy (D-Vt.) complained two weeks ago to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice of a "growing size in costs" and a staffing increase of more than 30 percent since Congress approved the State Department's plans two years ago. Leahy chairs the appropriations subcommittee in charge of the foreign operations budget.

"We have 1,000 Americans at the embassy in Baghdad," Leahy told Rice at a hearing. "You add the contractors and the local staff, it comes to 4,000 . . . a deviation from the plan that we'd agreed to." According to Senate staffers, operating costs now total $1.2 billon a year.
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gbaji then guessed...
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More likely, that's the entire projected budget for all of Iraq, not just this one structure.


Probably not, eh?

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-- A new congressional analysis shows the Iraq war is now costing taxpayers almost $2 billion a week -- nearly twice as much as in the first year of the conflict three years ago and 20 percent more than last year -- as the Pentagon spends more on establishing regional bases to support the extended deployment and scrambles to fix or replace equipment damaged in combat.


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Another major factor, however, is ``the building of more extensive infrastructure to support troops and equipment in and around Iraq
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Joph said.

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Every year they should knock it down and build two new ones!


I think those ingrate Iraqis are on the case....

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Even the super-protected "Green Zone" - the nerve center of US operations and the Iraqi government - has become increasingly insecure.

Two people were killed and 10 more wounded by mortar fire into the Green Zone on Thursday, the second day in a row that it had come under fire. So dangerous has the area become that the US Embassy warned all residents this month to keep outdoor travel to a minimum and "remain within a hardened structure to the maximum extent possible and strictly avoid congregating outdoors". Those who work outdoors were ordered to wear bulletproof vests and helmets at all times.

"In any other embassy, we would have been evacuated," one State Department staffer told McClatchy Newspapers this week. "They are going to wait until 20 people die, then the people back in Washington will say we have a problem."
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All those palms and tennis courts arn't cheap to maintain ya know!

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#6 May 29 2007 at 5:12 PM Rating: Good
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paulsol the Righteous wrote:

gbaji then guessed...
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More likely, that's the entire projected budget for all of Iraq, not just this one structure.


Probably not, eh?


Ok. I poorly worded that. Clearly, I didn't mean "all of the Iraq war". I meant "all of our costs with regard to embassy security and accomidations in Iraq". You know. As opposed to just that cost for this one compound.

And if you read the link you provided you'll see that the quote you lifted does seem to be talking about the entire green zone, not just this one compound. After all the quote speaks about the number of people "at the embassy" (present tense) but this embassy isn't going to be completed until several months from now. Clearly that 1.2 billion figure *can't* be the cost for that compound, but is the cost for the entirety of what we're doing right now.

Apples and oranges.
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I meant "all of our costs with regard to embassy security and accomidations in Iraq". You know. As opposed to just that cost for this one compound.


uh, huh...yeah, whatever....Smiley: dubious


and as far as apples an' oranges (and yoghurt and ice cream) goes..

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Instead of rice pilaf with turkey or fish -- Monday night's main entree, according to embassy spokesman Dan Sreebny, who said he topped it off with two cookies -- the staff would have to make do with military Meals Ready to Eat, freeze-dried concoctions with prescribed amounts of starch and protein, capable of withstanding parachute drops and remaining edible for three years after packaging.

"We've run out of some things," Sreebny said. "I miss my yogurt in the morning and my fresh-cut melon."
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War is hell.
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#8 May 29 2007 at 6:17 PM Rating: Decent
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Instead of all these elaborate infrastructures we should be using the money to build a big wall around the whole of the country. Napoleon has the same idea - when he saw the Great Pyramids he figured out that the blocks used to build them were enough to construct a wall around the entirety of France six feet high.

Having said that, this picture keeps coming to mind. I mean, look at how well that worked for us!
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Debalic wrote:
Instead of all these elaborate infrastructures we should be using the money to build a big wall around the whole of the country. Napoleon has the same idea - when he saw the Great Pyramids he figured out that the blocks used to build them were enough to construct a wall around the entirety of France six feet high.


The saddest part is that 150 years later they still hadn't figured out why that wasn't such a brilliant idea...
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gbaji wrote:
The saddest part is that 150 years later they still hadn't figured out why that wasn't such a brilliant idea...

What, for keeping invaders out? Or himself in? Coz, you know, his expansionist dreams worked out so well...
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#11 May 30 2007 at 1:44 AM Rating: Decent
gbaji wrote:
The saddest part is that 150 years later they still hadn't figured out why that wasn't such a brilliant idea...


In fairness, if we had built the Ligne Maginot, which is what I assume you're referring to, all around France, as opposed to just on the border with Germany, we might have won the war.

Well, not "won" as such, but at least resisted a bit longer.

Like, you know, a couple of weeks or so.

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Coz, you know, his expansionist dreams worked out so well...


Well, they did! We have the EU now, which is all that Napoleon ever wanted. He just didnt realise that the best way to get people to unite was the Eurovision song contest, as opposed to brutal massacres.

Still, in French schools, we are serisouly taught that Napoleon was "the first European", as in the first statesman to dream of a united Europe.

Though, after reflection, so did Hitler.

So yeah, silly frenchies...

Anyway, as stupid as we might be, at least we don't built giant Malls inside our war zones.

So there.



Edited, May 30th 2007 9:45am by RedPhoenixxx
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#12 May 31 2007 at 12:22 AM Rating: Decent
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Talking of giant walls that probably arn't very good ideas....


Tony Snow said in his last WH press Briefing, concerning new Border controls.....
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Number one, you've got a plan that has the greatest investment ever in border security, and it's one that says, don't take our word for it, we have to deliver before we move on to other aspects of the package. So you have 370 miles of fence, you've got 200 miles of vehicle barriers, you have extensive deployment, at least 70 radar facilities, you have four unmanned aerial vehicles that are going to be able to put eyes all up and down the border (Predator drones)-- in other words, a very significant devotion to resources -- 18,000 Border Patrol -- 18,000 strong.


paranoia much...
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Well, if we're going to keep illegal brownies out, I'd rather electronic means of watching the border than a 12' cinder block wall extending from the Pacific to the Gulf o' Mexico.
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#14 Jun 01 2007 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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And yet there are over three thousand miles of unprotected border above us, including towns in Vermont and elsewhere in the northeast where the border runs through public buildings like the library! Won't we ever start thinking of protecting ourselves from the Great White North?
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#15 Jun 01 2007 at 6:03 PM Rating: Default
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Update.

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A US architect working on the construction of a massive new US embassy in war-torn Baghdad quickly removed plans and drawings of the proposed compound from its website Thursday after a protest from the State Department, officials said.


Nothing you wouldnt get to see on Google Earth.....But a bit 'D'uh', none the less

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