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#27 May 22 2007 at 5:36 PM Rating: Decent
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So, unless it can be proven that these attacks were racially motivated and that the attackers aren't just as likely to have done this crime to a couple of any other race, then it doesn't qualify as a hate crime.


Well, yeah. That's why it's such a "sticky wicket" as you put it. I agree with you completely that the designation of "hate crime" is pretty questionable. I think the problem Varus was *trying* to get across (in his usual, um... manner) is that had this been a black couple suffering the exact same fate it's very likely that it would have been labeled a hate crime and there'd be tons of different activist groups up in arms about it.

The problem in my mind that that "hate crime" in practice usually means "a crime commited against a protected group by a non-protected group", often completely regardless of the actual specifics of the crime in question. Only the group the victim and suspect are in matters. Witness the whole Duke Lacross fiasco for just one semi-recent example. There are many many others.


Our reaction to a crime as a society should be based on the heinousness of the crime itself, not the colors of the skin of those involved. Unfortunately, it most often seems to be the other way around. Is this the fault of the media? Jackson and others like him? Space aliens? That's a whole subject by itself...

Edited, May 22nd 2007 6:36pm by gbaji
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#28 May 22 2007 at 6:19 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Our reaction to a crime as a society should be based on the heinousness of the crime itself, not the colors of the skin of those involved. Unfortunately, it most often seems to be the other way around. Is this the fault of the media? Jackson and others like him? Space aliens? That's a whole subject by itself...

So if I kill a Scientologist, does that make it a hate crime?
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gbaji wrote:
Our reaction to a crime as a society should be based on the heinousness of the crime itself, not the colors of the skin of those involved. Unfortunately, it most often seems to be the other way around. Is this the fault of the media? Jackson and others like him? Space aliens? That's a whole subject by itself...

So if I kill a Scientologist, does that make it a hate crime?


Nah. That's probably going to be seen as a good start.

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#34 May 23 2007 at 1:54 AM Rating: Decent
You guys have got this totally the wrong way round.

The raeson this is not considered a "hate crime" is because this is normal behaviour for black people! They didn't do this act because the victims were white, but because they themselves were black, and this is normal black gangster behaviour.

If the aggressors had been white, on the other hand, it could only have been a hate crime, since white people never intentionally harm other white people.

So, in fact, the reason why this isn't a hate crime is because of racism. Such crimes, by black people are the norm. No need for "hate", or for a reason. It's just another day in the hood...

Seriously though, it's an awful story.

And I can't see how having a gun would help against 5 guys who are also armed. When you get car-jacked, you don't expect to be taken hostage, get raped, tortured, mutilated and burnt alive. So, chances are, you'll let the 5 guys take your car in excahgne for your life, since you know that shooting one will result in you and your girlfreind's death. Any resonable armed person in those circumstances would not have used his gun.

And I realise this is completely unrelated, but to be perfectly honest, it's stories like this that make me not believe in God. I don't think suffering of this kind can be justified by any "Master Plan". For acts like these to happen, and go unpunished, it can only mean that no external force is watching, or that if it is, it's either a sadistic *******, or an impotent weakling.

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#35 May 23 2007 at 5:46 AM Rating: Excellent
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Well, not to blame the victims, as I'm sure they were frightened out of their minds. But if four big, mean lookin' guys surround my car, I'm running one of them down and getting the hell out of Dodge.
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#36 May 23 2007 at 9:00 PM Rating: Decent
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Well, not to blame the victims, as I'm sure they were frightened out of their minds. But if four big, mean lookin' guys surround my car, I'm running one of them down and getting the hell out of Dodge.


Maybe they put a big tire in the road first huh? Didn't think of that did ya?
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Side note. Can't they get DNA information for urine? Didn't the article say they urinated on the woman? 'Cause that would make the whole "bleach down the throat to destroy DNA evidence" thing kinda pointless, wouldn't it?
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I believe (not sure) that urine and ***** don't leave reliable DNA. Heard it someplace, don't recall the context.
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#39 May 25 2007 at 11:32 AM Rating: Excellent
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Only for excretors, I suppose. Or people with bad hemorrhoids, in the case of *****.
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For some reason, DNA levels in male urine are significantly lower than DNA levels in female urine. Because of that, the Fast Type Analasys brand cards they usually use at crime scenes (mostly because they are cheap) won't pick up enough to measure unless a booster agent is used.

For fecal matter, it is possible to extract DNA. THe main issue with that is if the extraction target ate meat beforehand.
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For some reason, DNA levels in male urine are significantly lower than DNA levels in female urine.


Mechanically there's a much greater chance for females to wash shed skin cells into the urine stream.
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#42 May 25 2007 at 12:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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If i remember right, Male urine tends to have much more ammonia in it too.
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#43 May 25 2007 at 12:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
If i remember right, Male urine tends to have much more ammonia in it too.

Like cats!
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#44 May 25 2007 at 12:58 PM Rating: Good
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Samira wrote:
Mechanically there's a much greater chance for females to wash shed skin cells into the urine stream.
You're such an insufferable romantic aintcha
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Dread Lörd Kaolian wrote:
If i remember right, Male urine tends to have much more ammonia in it too.

Like cats!


My urine has no cats in it thank you very much!

Unless i've been slumming in the korean food restaraunt district...
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My urine has no cats in it thank you very much!

Unless i've been slumming in the korean food restaraunt district...
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#47 May 25 2007 at 2:27 PM Rating: Excellent
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Mechanically there's a much greater chance for females to wash shed skin cells into the urine stream.
You're such an insufferable romantic aintcha


Indeed, sir. Indeed.
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#48 May 25 2007 at 4:09 PM Rating: Decent
Black, white, brown, green this is a horrible crime. I think they should be castrated by fire, IMO.
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"On Saturday January 6, 2007 Hugh Christopher Newsom, age 23 and Channon Gail Christian, age 21, both students at the University of Tennessee went out on a date."

They were driving in Channon’s Toyota 4-Runner when they were carjacked at gunpoint. Suddenly the crime turned far more savage than an armed car theft. Chris and Channon were kidnapped and driven to 2316 Chipman Street where they were forced into the home at gunpoint. While Channon was forced to watch, her boyfriend was raped prison style and then his... He was later driven to nearby railroad tracks where he was shot and set afire. But Channon’s hell was just beginning. She was beaten; gang raped repeatedly in many ways, had one of her... and bleach poured down her throat to destroy DNA evidence—all while she was still alive. To add to Channon’s degradation the suspects took turns urinating on her. They too set her body afire, apparently inside the residence, but for some reason left her body there—in five separate trash bags."

RAPE, MUTILATION AND MURDER


http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977003815

Wonder why we're not hearing anything about this from those whack jobs that support hate crime legislation. Oh and where are jesse jackass and co on this one? Oh that's right every single one of the attackers was a "black american"

pictures of the perps...http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834846/posts

oh and I'd like to take this moment to post their address 2316 Chipmin St. Guess which part of town that is.

Could you imagine the national coverage if 4 white guys had done this to a black couple?

Varus


On a side note this is exactly why you arm yourself when you leave your house.


Why don't you go to Harlem and make this same argument in person? Oh wait, you're too ***** to do that? Thought so.

What ever happened to bigots who actually had the balls to spew their ******** to the peoples they hate?
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Why don't you go to Harlem and make this same argument in person? Oh wait, you're too @#%^ to do that? Thought so.

What ever happened to bigots who actually had the balls to spew their bullsh*t to the peoples they hate?


Like the bigots who assume that everyone in Harlem is an angry black man who'd automatically disagree with the statements made simply because they are black?

Those kinds of bigots?
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#51 May 29 2007 at 5:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Hey, I used to work with a guy we called Angry Black. A very well-educated, well-spoken, polite man who hated just about everybody. I think he's still on my work references...
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