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#1 May 18 2007 at 5:38 PM Rating: Decent
Saving the World from its own Destruction

Today is April 4 2007, and the world is going down hill. It all starts with a philosophy introduced in the 19th century during the Industrial Revolution. A philosophy that is greedy, and self centered, it is the idea of making as much money as possible. Most people in the world know this philosophy as capitalism. The idea of evil has just evolved with the rest of the world and is now known as capitalism. In the United States, giant corporations are controlled by greedy CEOs and all they want is to make more money and will do all they can to achieve there goal. One industry that comes into mind is the oil industry. The oil companies are monopolizing the energy of the world. Solar, hydrogen, and fusion power are just a few sources of energy that can be as equally efficient as the burning of fossil fuels, but the greedy capitalists pigs have some how controlled the production of these new types of energy sources. All of this is so they could make more money.

There are a few issues with these greedy actions. One is an issue that we all know about, one that some of us might deny, but it is truly out there, the issue of global warming and the destruction of the planet. The burning of fossil fuels releases mass amounts of carbon dioxide that disrupts the natural carbon cycle of the planet. This ultimately results in the suns energy over heating the planet and raising the temperatures globally.




Another issue that is a result of the capitalists is the war on terror. Throughout the world there are terrorist organizations (the major groups in the Middle East) that hate the idea of democracy and a free nation and for some reason they want to see the destruction of every human being under that type of government. Currently the Middle Eastern country of Iraq is being purged of the fundamentalists groups by the major powers of the world. Some of the bigger countries (such as China) won’t help on the war of terror because the Middle East is one of the major sources of oil in the world, now that all gets back to the greedy business men and Capitalism. If people in the world focused there resources on creating new sources of energy oil wouldn’t be such a problem and the great countries of the world could bring there militaries together into one fighting force and destroy all the terrorists in one group effort. If this does not happen anytime soon, the world might be destroyed by another great power, more powerful then all the money in the world, nuclear war.


The sooner people release that capitalism has gone too far and that greed has overpowered the world, the sooner this planet can be saved and we can change history for the better.






(hey guys i wrote this last month and I am looking for some feedback in my little paper. Looking for positive or negative feedback and also points that might not be accurate. I am very interested in this and hope one day I could change the world for the better. Thank you for your time)


Edited, May 18th 2007 10:27pm by dehorseseraph

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#2 May 18 2007 at 5:42 PM Rating: Good
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I didn't read your post, but you own a computer and have enough free time to complete the torturous excercise of leveling an FFXI character to 75, so I guess it's working in your favor so far.


#3 May 18 2007 at 5:49 PM Rating: Decent
I actually managed to make my way through it.

Learn how to cite to back up the Shit you say. Your paper is just both opinions and nonstop babble that is ultimately pure garbage.

Also, using paragraphs won't kill you. I promise.

Edited, May 18th 2007 9:51pm by Nightsintdreams
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Paragraphs.

Then I might consider looking at it... maybe.
#5 May 18 2007 at 6:14 PM Rating: Good
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You might want to lighten up on the opinionated rhetoric and actually put some facts and figures in there instead of just tossing assumption around like an 800 lb gorrila...

Paragraphs would help too!


On a more rational "pro versus con" side, you might want to consider the positive effects of capitalism. You seem to focus on the "greed" of capitalism, but I think you're missing the point. Greed exists (and has always existed) whether capitalism exists or not. You don't seriously believe that all mankind was about sharing and fairness right up until the 19th century when capitalism started to take hold do you? Ridiculous assumption...

What capitalism does is recognize that greed exists and that there's no way to take greed out of the economic equation. So istead of fighting greed, it attempts to build an economic structure that focuses greed into a positive effect instead of a negative one. By making the route to riches involve investment and successful business ventures, and making "success" require building a usable product that consumers want to buy, it has the long term effect of making everyon's lives better over time. Sure. The rich stay rich. But they always have. However, in past systems the rich were rich and used their riches to simply make their lives better. Under capitalism, the rich are encouraged (by their own greed) to spend their riches making "new things" which certainly enrich themselves further, but have the positive side effect of improving the quality of life of everyone else as well.


Look around you house sometime. Start listing off all the things you see there. From the lights, to the oven, to the toaster, to the TV, the cable box, your computer, your DVD player, your MP3 player, your gaming console, your stereo sytem. All of these things were built because a "greedy" capitalist wanted to make money. Yet every single one of them definately improved your quality of life. You benefitted even while he got rich. That's what capitalism does.


Yes. Capitalism does reward greed. But when you look a bit more closely you'll relize that it rewards greed that is channeled into productivity. Without capitalism, we'd still have greed. What we wouldn't have is all the hundreds of products that you use and that improve your life every single day. You just might want to think about that before blaming an economic construct for the worlds ills...
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I didn't read your post, but you own a computer and have enough free time to complete the torturous excercise of leveling a FFXI character Dragoon to 75, so I guess it's working in your favor so far.


FTFY.

Back on topic: Your paper is extremely biased and many points are incorrect. You also need to fix a few small grammatical errors and your paragraphs need to flow better.
#7 May 18 2007 at 7:59 PM Rating: Decent
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dehorseseraph wrote:
Saving the World from its own Destruction

Today is April 4 2007, and the world is going down hill. It all starts with a philosophy introduced in the 19th century during the Industrial Revolution. A philosophy that is greedy, and self centered, it is the idea of making as much money as possible. Most people in the world know this philosophy as capitalism. The idea of evil has just evolved with the rest of the world and is now known as capitalism.Repetitive In the United States, giant corporations are controlled by greedy CEOs and all they want is to make more money and will do all they can to achieve there goal. One industry that comes into mind is the oil industry. The oil companies are monopolizing the energy of the world. Solar, hydrogen, and fusion power are just a few sources of energy that can be as equally efficient as the burning of fossil fuelsI need a source that proves how efficient these sources are. I haven't found any. Also, doesn't capitalism create incentive for a company to develop a means of producing an energy source more efficient and cleaner the fossil fuels? Seems like an awful lot of money can be generated there for the greedy CEO's to profit from., but the greedy capitalists pigs have some how controlled the production of these new types of energy sources. All of this is so they could make more money.

There are a few issues with these greedy actions. One is an issue that we all know about, one that some of us might deny, but it is truly out there, the issue of global warming and the destruction of the planet. The burning of fossil fuels releases mass amounts of carbon dioxide that disrupts the natural carbon cycle of the planet. This ultimately results in the suns energy over heating the planet and raising the temperatures globally.Sources




Another issue that is a result of the capitalists is the war on terror. Throughout the world there are terrorist organizations (the major groups in the Middle East) that hate the idea of democracy and a free nation and for some reason they want to see the destruction of every human being under that type of government.Might want to do some research here before saying this. "For some reason" is never a good thing in a paper. Currently the Middle Eastern country of Iraq is being purged of the fundamentalists groups by the major powers of the world. Some of the bigger countries (such as China) won’t help on the war of terror because the Middle East is one of the major sources of oil in the world, now that all gets back to the greedy business men and Capitalism. Last I checked China was communist, I'll get back to you on this one.If people in the world focused there resources on creating new sources of energy oil wouldn’t be such a problem and the great countries of the world could bring there militaries together into one fighting force and destroy all the terrorists in one group effort. If this does not happen anytime soon, the world might be destroyed by another great power, more powerful then all the money in the world, nuclear war. Your just all over the place with this. Don't really know what to tell you.


The sooner people release that capitalism has gone too far and that greed has overpowered the world, the sooner this planet can be saved and we can change history for the better.Are you arguing that it is capitalism that has created the instinct of greed in men? Sure sounds like what you are saying.






(hey guys i wrote this last month and I am looking for some feedback in my little paper. Looking for positive or negative feedback and also points that might not be accurate. I am very interested in this and hope one day I could change the world for the better. Thank you for your time)


Edited, May 18th 2007 10:27pm by dehorseseraph


Overall, lots of work to be done. Lots of grammatical errors. Lack of paragraphs. Wierd transitions between ideas. Unsupported claims and arguments. Lots of overused rhetoric that serves no purpose.

I tried being impartial even though I disagree with just about everything you said. Good luck. Try reading something other then Marx and Engel.
#8 May 18 2007 at 11:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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If you're going to title something with a question, it's a good idea to act like it's actually a question instead of tipping your bias hand in the second paragraph.

Or really if your goal really was to post a frothing, unsubstantiated rant then just give it the title "Capitalism Suxxorz" and call it good.

#9 May 19 2007 at 4:31 AM Rating: Decent
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If you're studying for a degree in biased ranting it's not bad.

P.S. Democracy and Capitalism aren't the same thing
#10 May 19 2007 at 6:11 AM Rating: Decent
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If you're studying for a degree in biased ranting it's not bad.

P.S. Democracy and Capitalism aren't the same thing

Looks like a journalism degree from West Podunk Community College.
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#11 May 19 2007 at 8:18 AM Rating: Decent
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Blah blah blah. Do you really expect me to wade through all that crap, Horse? Cliffs Notes version please.

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#12 May 19 2007 at 11:08 AM Rating: Excellent
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Someone needs the learn the difference between governmental and economic systems.
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#13 May 19 2007 at 11:22 AM Rating: Good
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Blah blah blah. Do you really expect me to wade through all that crap, Horse? Cliffs Notes version please.

Totem


Capitalism is greedy. Greedy CEO's are corrupting the world. Especially the owners of evil oil companies. They are suppressing new energy technologies in order to maintain their profits. All of these statements are qualified by saying "some how."

Then he talks about global warming and how greed is the cause.

Capitalism caused the war on terror. Terrorists are trying, for some reason, to kill all of the free people of the world. Capitalist China won't participate because they need the oil provided. New energy sources would allow the world to unite in order to fight terrorism. If the world doesn't get new energy resources we will nuke ourselves.

The sooner people realize that capitalism is killing gaia the sooner we can all live together in harmony and sh*t flowers and rainbows.

I'm gonna go kill myself now.



Edited, May 19th 2007 4:09pm by LurkinAround
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Communism - has it ever?
#15 May 20 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Good
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Appears to be a narrow & mis-informed diatribe.

Almost made me laugh except I am aware of the prevalence of of this type of belief system.

Thank god none of the evil CEOs' employees want to make more money....or their shareholders....or the people who benefit from the huge tax base provided by succesful entrepenurialism.

Capitalism & "Greed" are even practiced in the animal Kingdom (Parasitism,Symbiosis....the squirrel who stores more nuts than he "needs").

To me its like arguing against human nature, or even nature itself.

Any complex organisms' basic programing directs it to survive....& pro-create, which is harder when said organism is "undercapitalised".

As far as climate change, well take a look at the Kyoto & who is an exempt signatory....developing nations who will be significantly increasing their carbon footprint in the next decade, I believe China plans on increasing their coal burning power plants tenfold. (Capitalists' ?)

Reminds me of the Environmentalists' who wanna tell third world countries how & when they can improve their lot in life. Tell the Cambodian or Laotian et al logger NOT to harvest that old growth mahogany ....Hes'doing it to feed his family.(now lets talk about the methane the Elephant carrying the log will spew, LOL)

Take a moment to think how many more people would starve or be killed if petroleum based technology didnt exist (refrigeration, pesticides', transportation......)

I personally would love to have environmentally neutral ways to accomplish all this, & I believe we are headed in the right direction, but as long as it costs ten bananas to produce eight banans...it wont be done.
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LurkinAround wrote:
Totem wrote:
Blah blah blah. Do you really expect me to wade through all that crap, Horse? Cliffs Notes version please.

Totem


Capitalism is greedy. Greedy CEO's are corrupting the world. Especially the owners of evil oil companies. They are suppressing new energy technologies in order to maintain their profits. All of these statements are qualified by saying "some how."

Then he talks about global warming and how greed is the cause.

Capitalism caused the war on terror. Terrorists are trying, for some reason, to kill all of the free people of the world. Capitalist China won't participate because they need the oil provided. New energy sources would allow the world to unite in order to fight terrorism. If the world doesn't get new energy resources we will nuke ourselves.

The sooner people realize that capitalism is killing gaia the sooner we can all live together in harmony and sh*t flowers and rainbows.

I'm gonna go kill myself now.

Yeah, the system works.
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Not really going to bother reading it either, but I will say that while I don't support a full blown capitalistic nation (which given America's tax system, we really don't qualify as one), there is a need to maintain a capitalistic incentive. Many people are extrinsically motivated and for them it's necessary. As a nation though, we are approaching a point where basic needs are being met with relative ease and a capitalistic workplace is becoming less and less desirable for many people who are not as motivated by extrinsic monetary rewards to perform.

Edit: P.S. Have you guys missed me? :p /rhetorical Probably won't see much of me for a few months, so some of you will just have to get all your rate-downs in right now.

Edited, May 20th 2007 2:08pm by Kachi
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Not really going to bother reading it either, but I will say that while I don't support a full blown capitalistic nation (which given America's tax system, we really don't qualify as one), there is a need to maintain a capitalistic incentive. Many people are extrinsically motivated and for them it's necessary. As a nation though, we are approaching a point where basic needs are being met with relative ease and a capitalistic workplace is becoming less and less desirable for many people who are not as motivated by extrinsic monetary rewards to perform.

Edit: P.S. Have you guys missed me? :p /rhetorical Probably won't see much of me for a few months, so some of you will just have to get all your rate-downs in right now.

Edited, May 20th 2007 2:08pm by Kachi


1. You make fUck-all sense
2. Who are you?
3. Look up Capitalism in an dictionary
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Kachi wrote:
Not really going to bother reading it either, but I will say that while I don't support a full blown capitalistic nation (which given America's tax system, we really don't qualify as one), there is a need to maintain a capitalistic incentive. Many people are extrinsically motivated and for them it's necessary. As a nation though, we are approaching a point where basic needs are being met with relative ease and a capitalistic workplace is becoming less and less desirable for many people who are not as motivated by extrinsic monetary rewards to perform.

Edit: P.S. Have you guys missed me? :p /rhetorical Probably won't see much of me for a few months, so some of you will just have to get all your rate-downs in right now.

Edited, May 20th 2007 2:08pm by Kachi


1. You make fUck-all sense
2. Who are you?
3. Look up Capitalism in an dictionary
4. GFY


Well, Kachi is right in that America is not a pure capitalist society. I don't know about the whole lack of motivation from money thing though.
#20 May 20 2007 at 9:42 PM Rating: Good
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Your writing lacks polish and is incoherent, reading more like a fifth grade history textbook than an essay to be taken seriously (I still wouldn't take it seriously if you could write worth a damn, though). You also substitute researched claims with unsubstantiated drivel. Pay more attention in your English class, and quit using the same tired rhetoric that pro-capitalists have heard a few million times.

So, tell me, what economic system do you propose?

Edited, May 21st 2007 12:49am by sweetumssama
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I don't know about the whole lack of motivation from money thing though.


Many people (not all) have a point at which they are content with their monetary income. Consider the people who simply choose to live off of welfare, or choose to be homeless. There are some people who have so little motivation for money, that they'd rather live an impoverished life where they don't have to deal with a job, a boss, social norms, etc. That's not to say that these people are somehow enlightened, just that some people are content to live a life with far less money than others.

I also know a guy who is absolutely loaded. He could have retired a very comfortable life decades ago, but chooses to go to work every single day, and is now about 70 years old. He spends his money very modestly. He likes to earn money, but he doesn't like to spend it. It's not that he's cheap, he just likes to work. He's very intrinsically motivated to be a productive member of society, and to him the money is little more than a representation of his value to society.

Or you can take me for example. I chose a career that would make me happy to go to work and want to do a good job, even though I make far less money than I could doing something else. Even on my modest income, I don't live paycheck to paycheck... not because I'm economically thrifty, but because I know that money isn't the source of my happiness, and that by saving it and being fiscally responsible, I might one day be able to give some of my excess to people who need it just to survive.

Of course a very large % of people are none of the above. They're emotionally ignorant or otherwise very extrinsically motivated people who need to see more money if they're going to work harder or longer. In today's world that's just a reality we have to accommodate, and the way to do that is to maintain a capitalistic incentive. For example, if we were to raise the high income tax brackets by 50% and raise minimum wage by 50%, well, a lot would happen economically speaking, but rest assured that most people in the high income tax bracket wouldn't suddenly quit working as long as more work meant more money (realistically that's far too drastic of an example, but you get the idea).
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I don't know about the whole lack of motivation from money thing though.


Many people (not all) have a point at which they are content with their monetary income. Consider the people who simply choose to live off of welfare, or choose to be homeless. There are some people who have so little motivation for money, that they'd rather live an impoverished life where they don't have to deal with a job, a boss, social norms, etc. That's not to say that these people are somehow enlightened, just that some people are content to live a life with far less money than others.

I also know a guy who is absolutely loaded. He could have retired a very comfortable life decades ago, but chooses to go to work every single day, and is now about 70 years old. He spends his money very modestly. He likes to earn money, but he doesn't like to spend it. It's not that he's cheap, he just likes to work. He's very intrinsically motivated to be a productive member of society, and to him the money is little more than a representation of his value to society.

Or you can take me for example. I chose a career that would make me happy to go to work and want to do a good job, even though I make far less money than I could doing something else. Even on my modest income, I don't live paycheck to paycheck... not because I'm economically thrifty, but because I know that money isn't the source of my happiness, and that by saving it and being fiscally responsible, I might one day be able to give some of my excess to people who need it just to survive.

Of course a very large % of people are none of the above. They're emotionally ignorant or otherwise very extrinsically motivated people who need to see more money if they're going to work harder or longer. In today's world that's just a reality we have to accommodate, and the way to do that is to maintain a capitalistic incentive. For example, if we were to raise the high income tax brackets by 50% and raise minimum wage by 50%, well, a lot would happen economically speaking, but rest assured that most people in the high income tax bracket wouldn't suddenly quit working as long as more work meant more money (realistically that's far too drastic of an example, but you get the idea).


You lost me at the bold. I understand that people have a limit to the labor they are willing to offer at a certain price and have different concepts of utility. In economic terms you're talking about the backward bending labor supply curve. That is fine and true and thoroughly developed economic concept.

However, are you saying that, when incentive is removed for rich people to work, the upper tax bracket will continue working just for the sake of working? That's the way I am reading into your working. Maybe I'm wrong but that seems to contradict the story you made earlier.

You gave the story about the old dude who was rich as hell and kept working for the sake of working. But, then you say that examples such as that man are the extreme minority of workers in America. So, how can you say that rich people will follow his example?
#25 May 21 2007 at 11:42 AM Rating: Decent
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If Capitalism is as simple as a desire for money, everyone's a capitalist.

Firstly, capitalism (whether you're Karl Marx or Al Greenspan) is a complex economic model involving the relationship between the generation of profits and hard work (or the lack of such a connection).

Secondly, economics and political models are related but not dependant.

There is democratic capitalism, undemocratic capitalism, democratic socialism & undemocratic socialism.

The OP needs to get his head around that, and maybe learn to string a sentence together without sounding like a 6 year old.
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However, are you saying that, when incentive is removed for rich people to work, the upper tax bracket will continue working just for the sake of working? That's the way I am reading into your working. Maybe I'm wrong but that seems to contradict the story you made earlier.

You gave the story about the old dude who was rich as hell and kept working for the sake of working. But, then you say that examples such as that man are the extreme minority of workers in America. So, how can you say that rich people will follow his example?


Not that was actually meant to be an example of the opposite kind of person... the kind of person for whom money wasn't the issue.

I am saying that, "when incentive is removed for rich people to work, the upper tax bracket will continue working" as long as there is still some incentive to make more money, which for extrinsically motivated people (not like the person in the example), there almost always will be.

Sorry if my inclusion of that example was confusing, but my point was that some people are no longer motivated by money at some point, but those that are aren't likely to stop working hard as long as more work earns them more money.
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