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#1 May 16 2007 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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My monitor is getting flippy and I suspect it may be on its way out. It's a 19" CRT donated to me by Frakkor (thanks again, Frak!) a couple years ago now but, from my quick look-over, it seems that CRTs are a dying breed.

So, in a flat screen, what do I need to be aware of? I see various millisecond refresh times listed in product descriptions -- how fast do I realistically need it to be for an enjoyable experience? My gaming is largely limited to MMORPGs and some games like the Total War series -- no ultra-fast FPS gunfire twitch play. But I don't want my gameplay to be gimped either. I keep my resolution at 1024x728.

For that matter, does anyone know a good source. I'm keeping it fairly cheap and have time to shop around. This ole girl still has life in her yet and I can always dust off my ancient 15" as a web-browsing tool if it really comes down to it.

Edited, May 16th 2007 5:28pm by Jophiel
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#2 May 16 2007 at 3:13 PM Rating: Decent
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#3 May 16 2007 at 3:15 PM Rating: Good
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Only flat panel monitors I know about are the ones we buy for work. You probably don't want to pay that much though...
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Deathwysh wrote:
8ms or less.
Okie. It seems "or less" is typically 5ms. Should I take your advice to mean that 8ms is acceptable though should I find one?

Then again, Newegg has some 19" CRTs for about $70-$100 less than a 19" LCD. I'm not married to the flatscreen idea unless there's some compelling reason for me to make the switch based on my computer habits.
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#5 May 16 2007 at 3:30 PM Rating: Good
I bought one of these recently when I made the leap from CRT. I'd recommend it for that price, although I paid only $130.00 for mine off Craigslist, and the guy delivered it fifty miles to my house. It's way sharper than my old CRT monitor was, but that's about as technical as I can get, I suppose. It just looks way better.
#6 May 16 2007 at 3:31 PM Rating: Decent
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I'm very pleased with my 19" Dell LCD. The 197FP and 1908FP models are nice, 5-8ms response times, $200.

The main benefit to the flat panel is the lack of a foot-long tube in the back. This lets you set the monitor as far back on the desk as you want, reducing the tendency to have your nose 2" from the screen as it hovers over your keyboard.
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#7 May 16 2007 at 4:06 PM Rating: Good
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I'm very pleased with my 19" Dell LCD. The 197FP and 1908FP models are nice, 5-8ms response times, $200.

The main benefit to the flat panel is the lack of a foot-long tube in the back. This lets you set the monitor as far back on the desk as you want, reducing the tendency to have your nose 2" from the screen as it hovers over your keyboard.


I agree. The Dell's are pretty slick. Another benefit is CRT's put off a lot of heat, flat panels not so much.
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#8 May 16 2007 at 5:09 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
Then again, Newegg has some 19" CRTs for about $70-$100 less than a 19" LCD. I'm not married to the flatscreen idea unless there's some compelling reason for me to make the switch based on my computer habits.


The compelling reason is cost over time. The difference in price between most CRTs and LCDs have become small enough that the difference in electricity to run them becomes significant. LCDs use significantly less electricity and are "cleaner" environmentally overall. They're also far less of a fire hazard. And they're lighter and take up less room on your desk.
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#9 May 16 2007 at 6:12 PM Rating: Good
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Also, with an LCD, there's less chance that a leaky cup will short out your monitor, triggering an explosing that embeds a shard of glass into your neck, causing you to stagger to the kitchen and accidentally get a knife lodged in your chest.

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gbaji wrote:
They're also far less of a fire hazard.
Smiley: dubious

Not that I doubt that LCDs are less of a fire hazard but I have little concern regarding the fire hazard from my CRT. For all the talk of heat, the case on my CRT is what could charitably be described a "Warm". I suppose it'd make a napping cat happy but it's nothing Prometheus would run off with.

Edited, May 16th 2007 9:31pm by Jophiel
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#11 May 16 2007 at 6:43 PM Rating: Good
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It can rarely happen, particularly if a large amount of dust/lint builds up in the cooling ports, or if you leave a sheet of paper on top it or something.

Not that I'd make it a reason to switch or anything.



Edited, May 16th 2007 9:43pm by trickybeck
#12 May 16 2007 at 6:52 PM Rating: Good
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I've a Dell 19" Supersharp LCD, and it's beautiful. FP1907F I think.
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#13 May 16 2007 at 7:03 PM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
They're also far less of a fire hazard.
Not that I doubt that LCDs are less of a fire hazard but I have little concern regarding the fire hazard from my CRT. For all the talk of heat, the case on my CRT is what could charitably be described a "Warm". I suppose it'd make a napping cat happy but it's nothing Prometheus would run off with.


That's due to the massive shielding in a typical CRT monitor (one of the two reasons CRTs are so damn heavy, the other being the leaded glass). The heated components of the CRT run in excess of 800 degrees. Plenty enough to light your home on fire should you say drop it for some reason while it's running. Of course, you'll have other problems as well due to the variety of toxic materials present. Faulty heatsinks in CRTs have caused them to literally melt down and can cause fires (CRTs *can* explode, maybe not as spectacularly as in the movies, but they can).

Another way to look at it is this: You'd never leave your home with the oven on, right? The CRT is over twice as hot as your oven typically gets. And it's also vulnerable to power surges in the electrical components as well. Certainly, the probability of some disaster is relatively low, but so are a lot of other things that can cause problems around the home. No reason not to eliminate one of them if you can.
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#14 May 16 2007 at 7:22 PM Rating: Decent
BT's monitor is the best by far. It has a good refresh rate, good contrast ratio, and has a DVI port(clearer picture, faster refresh rate) if your video card also has one.
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gbaji wrote:
Plenty enough to light your home on fire should you say drop it for some reason while it's running.
I don't know how you use your computer...
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Jophiel wrote:
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Plenty enough to light your home on fire should you say drop it for some reason while it's running.
I don't know how you use your computer...


Lol! Sure. Accidents do happen though. That was the first to pop into my mind because I worked as a tech for several years and one of the things you do is carry monitors around. It's very much a risk, and not just in terms of spinal injury from picking the things up. Having had to manhandle the giginormous 24" 1:1.6 ratio monitors back in the day, I can say that it's quite possible to drop them while hot *and* they just generally suck to move around (well over 100 pounds in weight). And the whole dust buildup and "don't put anything flamible on top of it" issues exist as well.

I listed that as one of several reasons why LCDs are better then CRTs. There's a lot of them IMO. The costs have come down such that there's really not much reason to buy a CRT. You can get better quality for the cost out of a CRT, but even that is changing pretty rapidly. If I were buying a monitor right now, I woudn't even look at CRTs.
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#17 May 16 2007 at 8:11 PM Rating: Decent
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The best things about LCD screens have been mentioned already....Saving space and power especially.

My favorite thing about them is the image is so much 'brighter'. Much more pleasing to look at in general. And seeing as how you are gonna be in Middle Earth for some time yet, LCD will make the world even more 'real' and 'vivid' than it already is. Wich has got to be a good thing.Smiley: grin

Another huge benefit of LCD over CRT is the LCD doesn't 'flicker'. I find that those prolonged sessions dont get as wearing on the eyes as they used to.

Also worth taking into account is the emissions that emanate from a CRT. I'm not sure how much research into CRT emissions has been done, but they do consist of a device that emits radiation (small amounts of x-rays) onto the screen that your sat in front of. this may be fine if your 10 feet from the front of your tv, but may be more problematic over time if your sat 18 inches from yur comp. screen all day. There is also more electro magnetic radiation emmited wich some people (including me) feel is harmful to the bodies cellular structure.

All that aside, when you get around to a really pukka grafix card, and you've got all your settings on ultra hi, then you'll be glad you invested in a LCD, and not some poxy CRT. (I was! /feels smug)

Just my thoughts....

Oh yeah....size matters. Go LARGE as you can afford.
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#18 May 16 2007 at 8:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Oh yeah....size matters. Go LARGE as you can afford.


I have a 19' widescreen, I could have bought a 21' but I am one of those wierdos that don't like huge displays.
#19 May 16 2007 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
if your also in the market for a tv you could kill 2 birds with one stone and get a new lcd tv and use it as a monitor as well. I use this http://hhgregg.com/ProductDetail.asp?SID=B67812C015984FC6ABB71B12E35CDD8F&ProductID=17179
Can't use it much as a monitor because its not going to fit on my desk ;(


Edited, May 17th 2007 12:38am by Araxius
#20 May 16 2007 at 9:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I have a 19' widescreen, I could have bought a 21' but I am one of those wierdos that don't like huge displays.

Ahem? Are you really using the Superdomes JumboTron as your computer monitor? Smiley: dubious

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I've a Dell 19" Supersharp LCD, and it's beautiful. FP1907F I think.

That's UltraSharp, and that's the same model I have. Got it refurbished, like my Dell laptop, and it's a beauty. I even use the two side USB ports.
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#21 May 16 2007 at 9:24 PM Rating: Good
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BT's monitor is the best by far. It has a DVI port(clearer picture, faster refresh rate) if your video card also has one.


That's a big reason why I bought it. I'm so computer savvy I bought a new PC and the video card in it was DVI only. Seeing as how I'd never heard of DVI before, I figured it must be good.

Honestly, the thought that my old monitor could have cremated me while I look for **** never crossed my mind. Now that I know, though, I'll sleep even better tonight.
#22 May 16 2007 at 9:25 PM Rating: Decent
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King Rimesume wrote:
I have a 19" widescreen, I could have bought a 21" but I am one of those wierdos that don't like huge displays.

Ahem? Are you really using the Superdomes JumboTron as your computer monitor? Smiley: dubious



Oh yes, it makes **** that much more interactive. Smiley: grin

Edited, May 16th 2007 10:26pm by Rimesume
#23 May 16 2007 at 9:34 PM Rating: Decent
too bad I wasted like $70 on a dvi to hdmi cable for my tv and sony tv's apparently don't support anything but rgb -.-
#24 May 16 2007 at 10:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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The two monitor brands I would focus on are Samsung and Dell. If you want to stay in the approximate same size range, look for a Samsung 931b or c. the 931c is the better monitor but really hard to find around here. Dell monitors are also excellent, about the same price, but you have to get them shipped. WHat you gain with a dell monitor is a highly adjustable stand. Other than that the monitors are about the same

If you are thinking of entering the widescreen market (assuming you ahve the video card horsepower for it) then I highly reccomend the Dell 2407.

As far as specifications, the two important ones to look for are refresh rate (smaller is better) and Color depth (larger number is better)

Both samsung and dell have a 0 dead pixle policy. Some of the other manufacturers out there don't.
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#25 May 17 2007 at 12:57 AM Rating: Decent
I have a ViewSonic VA1912wb I really like the monitor, I'm sure there are better monitors out in the world, but it serves my purpose.
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Be aware that with an LCD if you run a game full screen at 1024x768 and the monitor's native resolution is higher than that, it's going to look like crap.
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