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#1 May 15 2007 at 8:54 PM Rating: Good
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CHICAGO (AP) - Bubba Ludwig can't walk, talk or open the refrigerator door - but he does have his very own Illinois gun permit.

The 10-month-old, whose given name is Howard David Ludwig, was issued a firearm owner's identification card after his father, Howard Ludwig, paid the US$5 fee and filled out the application, not expecting to actually receive one.


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Now, I won't claim to have any knowledge whatsoever of American gun laws, but am I the only one who thinks that this is ridiculous? If a 10 month old baby can acquire a gun license, what's the point in licensing them at all?

According to the article, the licensing system is to keep them out of the hands of *convicted* felons, or people deemed dangerous by the state (paraphrasing). What about the people who don't fall into those categories until *after* something disastrous has happened, and by which time it's already too late? In my opinion, it's a little difficult for a 10 month old baby to have already established a psychological profile that will fit them for the rest of their life. What happens if that kid has some sort of traumatic incident in the future which *makes* him a threat to society? Rather than waiting until someone has already committed a crime to consider them dangerous, shouldn't there be at least *some* sort of requirements, such as a written psychological test or something?

Sure, not everyone who has a license will eventually own a gun. I'm also aware that not everyone who owns a gun will ever use it, even if it is only to point it at something. This kid could grow up to be the most gentle, kind-hearted person the world has ever known, and could dispose of his gun at the earliest opportunity for all we know now. However, the idea that a child could posess something that dangerous is quite frightening to me.

Children simply don't have the experience, maturity or understanding to be given something that could potentially lead to very serious consequences for either themselves or another. I will go ahead and say that I strongly disagree with the father for even considering filling out that application, but I am more disappointed in the fact that it was actually granted.

So I'm curious, what are everyone else's thoughts on this? Am I overreacting because this is just a licensing issue, and not an actual gun purchase? Or do you think, as I do, that this is a very clear sign that the gun laws in certain states are extremely lacking?






(Edit: apologies if this was the wrong forum to post it in. There were no references to genetalia or 4chan, so I doubted I'd get the kind of serious response I'm looking for in the OOT) >.>

Edited, May 16th 2007 12:56am by Artemismu
#2 May 15 2007 at 9:16 PM Rating: Excellent
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The State of Illinois FOID FAQ wrote:
I am under the age of 21, can I apply for a FOID card?
Yes. In addition to all other requirements, a person who is under 21 years of age must have the written consent of his or her parent or legal guardian to possess and acquire firearms and firearm ammunition. Also, he or she must not have been convicted of a misdemeanor other than a traffic offense or adjudged delinquent. The parent or legal guardian providing written consent must be eligible to possess a valid FOID card.

I am under the age of 21, do I need a FOID card?
Not necessarily. The FOID Act exempts unemancipated minors while in the custody and immediate control of their parent, legal guardian, or other person in loco parentis to the minor as long as their parent, legal guardian, or other person in loco parentis to the minor has a valid FOID card in their possession.
It sounds as if its perfectly legal for a minor to apply for and receieve a FOID card in Illinois (with parental consent) however, from what I'm reading, it seems as though the minor in question is supposed to be able to fill out and sign their own paperwork.

I dunno... I find it silly that some Land of Lincoln wage slave pushed the paperwork through regardless of the birthdate and obvious toddler photo. But, as you point out, a FOID merely allows you to legally possess a firearm, not to purchase a firearm. But having a valid FOID does allow the toddler (in theory) to possess a gun and have access to it even in the absence of his parents.

I guess I'm not worked up about it so much as I'm wondering what was wrong with the employee who didn't question it.
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#3 May 16 2007 at 4:07 AM Rating: Decent
He'll be going to preschool soon. Lord knows he's going to need to defend himself when people run up in there schooting after listening to Raffi and playing violent games like Sponge Bob Squarepants and the Revenge of the Flying Dutchman.

Boycott Raffi!

Edited, May 16th 2007 12:27pm by Natdatilgnome
#4 May 16 2007 at 1:30 PM Rating: Good
Actually we've starting issuing them upon birth. Right along the vaginal canal there's a holster for little Bobbi Sue to wrap her hands around her first Glock. Makes it more entertaining when the doc tries so smack her bottom.
#5 May 16 2007 at 1:33 PM Rating: Good
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#6 May 16 2007 at 2:49 PM Rating: Decent
hmph! my dog has a shotgun!
so please BEWARE of the DOG sign :P
he got tired of running ,u should see his kitty feet keychain collection:)
#7 May 16 2007 at 3:54 PM Rating: Decent
hendoor wrote:
hmph! my dog has a shotgun!
so please BEWARE of the DOG sign :P
he got tired of running ,u should see his kitty feet keychain collection:)


Sock or stumbled into the wrong place for his eleventh post? It's just not often that you see someone with so few posts that isn't a sock in the =4, OOOT Assylum.

Edited, May 16th 2007 6:59pm by Natdatilgnome
#8 May 16 2007 at 8:38 PM Rating: Decent
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Dunno if this is relevent but I got a Life time hunting license at the age of 8 with wich I can legally carry a fire arm to kill large game and such. At that age in S.C. there is no hunters saftey couse needed.
#9 May 17 2007 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
Wow. Where I grew up in Florida you need a two day hunter safety course to get one if you were born after 1971 or some such year but you can get the license at any age.
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