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#1 May 14 2007 at 9:31 AM Rating: Good
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But not allowed freedom themselves?

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US blocks soldiers from websites

The US military is to block troops from using YouTube and MySpace and 11 other popular websites for sharing photos, video clips and messages.

The decision could stop thousands of soldiers from communicating with friends and loved ones.

For many US soldiers serving overseas YouTube and other similar websites are a popular way of keeping in touch.

But according to US reports, the Pentagon has decided to block access to such sites for technical reasons.
Seriously. . .Myspace?

If I were in Iraqistan fighting for my country, I wouldn't expect this sort of bullShit.
#2 May 14 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Next thing you know, they'll be blocking their access to ****!
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#3 May 14 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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Maybe the naive young soldiers were getting lured into sex traps by dirty old Iraqi men pretending to still be in high school.

Why do you hate our soldiers? Smiley: frown
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#4 May 14 2007 at 10:05 AM Rating: Good
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They're probably hoping to keep the negative buzz down, or keep another scandal from breaking.
#5 May 14 2007 at 10:07 AM Rating: Decent
I don't see anything wrong with it. How does it vary from any other employer hiring Websense or some other company to block websites that are distractions to employees at work?

The article doesn't mention it but it is a policy that is DoD wide and meant to keep troops from ******** around while they should be working. Also the bandwidth issue mentioned is valid. Anyone who has used NMCI (Navy/Marine Corps Intranet) can attest to the fact that there isn't much bandwidth available. I don't think the network could support two people trying to use youtube at the same time.
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Natdatilgnome wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with it. How does it vary from any other employer hiring Websense or some other company to block websites that are distractions to employees at work?
I don't work for other employers 24/7 with their network access being my only link to the internet while in a foreign country for months or years on end?
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#7 May 14 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Excellent
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Natdatilgnome wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with it. How does it vary from any other employer hiring Websense or some other company to block websites that are distractions to employees at work?


Some employers don't allow you to make personal calls at work, or ever wear pajamas, or eat when you're not on break, and it's usually frowned upon to have sex or ********** at work to. I think that we can safely say that this isn't quite the same. Obviously, if they're bringing a laptop into battle to chat on myspace, maybe that would be of the same logic, but prohibiting someone from accessing it for months and months when it's where your wife hosts videos of the kids for you to see is kinda ******.

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#8 May 14 2007 at 12:22 PM Rating: Decent
Well, if these guys weren't surfing **** via myspace or being totally stupid and violating opsec we wouldnt have these issues.
#9 May 14 2007 at 1:44 PM Rating: Decent
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He denied that the military was unhappy with the nature of content being posted.

"We're not stopping anybody looking at anything. It's not the nature of the stuff being posted."


assumptions on the article are bad k? It's not the **** and the military certainly didn't deem it an imminent security risk.
#10 May 15 2007 at 1:29 PM Rating: Default
Yes, that would be why I've been having to forward to the wives "commands" coming down saying to watch what they post on Myspace and Blogs. I've had to have numerous chats with them about pictures, OPSEC the works. Sure. Sounds like I made an assumption.
#11 May 15 2007 at 3:01 PM Rating: Good
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The article is kinda blending two different stories into one. There's a move to prevent the use of military network/computer resources for bandwidth intensive uses (like mysource and youtube). That's purely about resources. If you read the article, it says that soldiers with their own computers are not affected by this restriction. They're free to do whatever they want on their own dime essentially.

The second aspect is that there *is* a movement within the US Army (but only the Army) to attempt to censor information posted from locations like Iraq. This is specifically about blogs and such. The concern there is about operational security, but applies to other areas as well. There have already been a couple instances where families of soldiers have learned about a death from a blog site posted by a friend before the military's official contact occurerd. There's also the potential that innocent-seeming information posted on a blog could give enemies information about troop movements and positions and re-deployments.

The second one is far more controversial. Um, the entire idea that the blogs and such allow too much negative spin is pure red-herring. The overwhelming content coming from soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan is "positive" from the perspective of morale and the military. In fact, it's why the other branches of the military have not yet taken any moves to block blogging. The morale and recruitment benefits of those blogs (getting the "real" story out and not what the media is reporting) is seen to outweigh the potential risks.

Edited, May 15th 2007 4:01pm by gbaji
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#12 May 15 2007 at 7:17 PM Rating: Good
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I see nothing wrong with it. Back when I was in the USAF and stationed in Kuwait, there was a policy in place that we weren't supposed to be going to certain sites, such as ****, chat rooms, etc both because it wasn't necessary for work and it was a drain on the bandwidth. Back then they didn't have the tools to block specific sites, it was just expected that you don't go to them. Of course people did anyways.

As for Joph's arguement that the employer is 24/7 for years at a time, that's a bit of an exaggeration. Most people don't get stationed in a remote location for years at a time without having personal access or other means to connect in their free time. Granted those stationed in war zones only have one means of access, they just have to tough it out for the duration of their tour. When they rotate back to the world they can browse 15 year old chick's MySpace sites to their heart's content.

I can only imagine the bandwidth hit my workplace would take right now if we unblocked YouTube now. No one would be able to get anything done.
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#13 May 15 2007 at 11:17 PM Rating: Default
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I find the story especially peculiar (disregarding Gbajis attempt to spin it away from censorship issues, wether they be true or not) when the Pentagon has begun posting its own videos on YouTube.....

Or if you dont believe the Aussies (and who does?) heres the same story from the evertrustworthy Fox...

Its sure gonna suck when you just know you got filmed in a firefight, but you're not even allowed to see your own heroism as filmed by your employer.
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#14 May 15 2007 at 11:36 PM Rating: Decent
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prohibiting someone from accessing it for months and months when it's where your wife hosts videos of the kids for you to see is kinda sh*tty.

Nexa



There is something not being said in the article that only someone in the military would understand right off the bat reading the article.


It's called OPSEC or Operational Security. Which ranges from a great many things. Now I won't say what is or what isn't on those computers in the field, because I don't know for a fact. However, I can almost guarentee those computers are used for official business. Anyone who spends five minutes on myspace can obviously figure out it is filled to the brim with ads, keyloggers, and all other sorts of nasty bugs.

The DoD is not simply willing to risk OPSEC because of myspace regardless of their overzealous firewalls, and whatever else they put on these computers. Hell, I am surprised I can come to this website and www.ogame.org. For as silly as it sounds, but when people in the military write home they explain their job just about as much as any civilian would. The major difference being that when a soldier writes home, he might inadvertently tell about troop movement, or some other such thing, and put a whole group of people at risk. There's an old term in the Navy "Loose lips sink ships" which is about OPSEC.

While it sounds like a shitty thing to do, in the end it will be better for everyone for soldiers to not have venues of communication that cannot be easily monitered for the sake of OPSEC. I promise you these soldiers have an E-Mail source provided by the DoD that they can use to write home. The major difference being is that email can be monitered easily for OPSEC.
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