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#1 May 11 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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Would you let your under age kids drink at home?
Hell Yeah! Who else is going to teach them how to pound back a 6 pack? :23 (56.1%)
No way! MADD scares me too much (plus I think it takes away from creating awesome puking stories to share in their golden years) :9 (22.0%)
Wait, you mean there's an age limit to drinking? Whoda thunk? :9 (22.0%)
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Drinking at home 'cuts bingeing'


Quick synopsis of the article is that a study was done that showed more children who were allowed to drink under age with their parents were less likely to go crazy and binge drink later on. The idea is that if you dont make a big deal about something and make it taboo, that will stick with the kids as they become adults. My own parents did this with me, starting at age 6. I was allowed here and there to try their drinks, have watered down wine during holidays, and by the time I was a teen, I could drink at home so long as I stayed home for the evening. Growing up, drinking was never a big deal for me. I could have it whenever I wanted it. Watching my friends in high school plan nights to get wasted seemed frivolous to me and frankly, not so fun.

I plan on doing the exact same thing with my own kids. Except I may not give them full strength saki when I have a party in order to get them to sleep quicker, like my father enjoyed doing to my brother and I. Although I do adore saki now Smiley: chug

So would you allow your children to drink at home? Anything else you may allow your kids to do for the same reason? Sex with their high school honeys? Drugs? Why/why not?
#2 May 11 2007 at 7:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yes, not to teach them how to pound a six pack (like I'd know), but to demystify drinking and as part of teaching them to appreciate good things.

And if it helps them go to bed on time, hey! Bonus!
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#3 May 11 2007 at 7:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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Technically, it's legal for minors to consume alcohol in a private residence when their parent or legal guardian is present and approving (in Illinois, at least).

I say, bottoms up.
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#4 May 11 2007 at 8:05 AM Rating: Decent
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Technically, it's legal for minors to consume alcohol in a private residence when their parent or legal guardian is present and approving (in Illinois, at least).

I say, bottoms up.


Laws vary, but that's the general gist of pretty much every single one of them. If you're serving booze to your kids on your own property, it's not illegal. Where you'll take a beating is if you're serving alcohol to other people's children, or if you're underage and drinking it outside your house.

#5 May 11 2007 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
There have been quite a few changes to the booze laws in Texas in recent years so I don't know if it's legal here anymore.
#6 May 11 2007 at 8:20 AM Rating: Decent
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Demea wrote:
Technically, it's legal for minors to consume alcohol in a private residence when their parent or legal guardian is present and approving (in Illinois, at least).

I say, bottoms up.



It may be legal, but if my ex-wife did it with my kids(3 and 7) it would significantly lower the legal cost of the custody fight we're in now for me.

Edited, May 11th 2007 12:46pm by Zakthan
#7 May 11 2007 at 8:25 AM Rating: Excellent
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It may be legal, but if my ex-wife did it with my kids(3 and 7) I it would significantly lower the legal cost of custody fight we're in now for me.
Well, there's obviously limitations and judgement with it. I wouldn't much care if my son (when he was older) had a beer or glass of wine under my supervision in the home. He sees us drink on infrequent occassions but it's not to excess and nothing covert or anything.

Hell, if he asked, I'd give him a sip of beer now. He'd just make a face and say "Bleah!" anyway. Besides, my dad gave me beer when I was about five or six and it never did done me no nothing wrong to my smarts.
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#8 May 11 2007 at 8:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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If my 17 year old wants a glass of wine with dinner, fine. If my 8 year old wants a shot of tequila, I think not.

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#9 May 11 2007 at 8:31 AM Rating: Decent
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Teens learn to be adults by doing adult things. Gain a little experience drinking at home responsibly and you'll drink more responsibly when you're legal.

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If my 17 year old wants a glass of wine with dinner, fine. If my 8 year old wants a shot of tequila, I think not.


I'd be asking myself why my 8 y/o is asking for a shot of tequila. Actually that reminds me of the time when my dad gave me a shot of whiskey when I was like 5 years olds. It hurt like hell to swallow, so if anything it satisfied my curiousity and lowered my desire to drink.

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Edited, May 11th 2007 9:36am by Lefian
#10 May 11 2007 at 8:37 AM Rating: Excellent
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Lefian wrote:

I'd be asking myself why my 8 y/o is asking for a shot of tequila.


Have you met children? My two year old asks me for some of everything I eat or drink. Also, anything she sees anyone else eat or drink. Also, anything in the grocery store. Also, something that is vaguely similar to something someone might eat or drink.

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#11 May 11 2007 at 8:38 AM Rating: Good
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Actually that reminds me of the time when my dad gave me a shot of whiskey when I was like 5 years olds. It hurt like hell to swallow, so if anything it satisfied my curiousity and lowered my desire to drink.
Was it the alcohol or the rape that followed that turned you off to booze?
#12 May 11 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Good
In my father's side of the family, there is quite abit of drug abuse and alcoholism. My parents kept me shielded from the grand majority of it while I was a kid, but I saw enough to scare me away from ever thinking about getting involved with either.

With my own children...I won't make alcohol something that is forbidden, but I won't actively encourage drinking it either. If he or she wishes to drink and are of a decent age (17+), I won't say no, but I will definately limit it to one or two at the most.
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#13 May 11 2007 at 8:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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The g/f and I had this discussion a while back. We both drink, but we don't drink (well, often). Both of us drank a little at home when we were younger. It was never frowned upon for me to reach over and have a sip of my Dad's wine or beer. I know it was the same at her house. Neither of us drank a lot in high school or in college. I'm pretty sure that we'd both raise children the same way.

As for drugs I don't do them. Never have, never will. Not a clue how to approach that one. At least I don't have to worry about that yet.
#14 May 11 2007 at 9:03 AM Rating: Default
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Was it the alcohol or the rape that followed that turned you off to booze?


Personal experience contributing to the assumption that child rape automaticlly follows a shot of whiskey?
#15 May 11 2007 at 9:04 AM Rating: Good
I started drinking with my dad when I was four or five. I don't plan on starting quite that early with my kids, but I won't care if they have a drink every now and then under my roof. I won't care if they burn a joint once their homework's done either.
#16 May 11 2007 at 9:09 AM Rating: Good
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Was it the alcohol or the rape that followed that turned you off to booze?


Personal experience contributing to the assumption that child rape automaticlly follows a shot of whiskey?
It would just make sense in your case considering the copious amount of /butthurt you tend to display over things like karma. I'd hate to imagine how bad it would be after some whiskey.
#17 May 11 2007 at 9:27 AM Rating: Default
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It would just make sense in your case considering the copious amount of /butthurt you tend to display over things like karma. I'd hate to imagine how bad it would be after some whiskey.


My name isn't Lefein or didn't you get the memo? If that isn't what you're talking about idk wtf you are.

Edited, May 11th 2007 10:31am by Lefian
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Lefian wrote:
I'd be asking myself why my 8 y/o is asking for a shot of tequila.
You ever try doing body shots with milk?
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#19 May 11 2007 at 9:43 AM Rating: Good
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It would just make sense in your case considering the copious amount of /butthurt you tend to display over things like karma. I'd hate to imagine how bad it would be after some whiskey.


My name isn't Lefein or didn't you get the memo? If that isn't what you're talking about idk wtf you are.

Potatoe/potatoe. You're still an uninteresting cnut, so much so that the only reason you're even slightly acknowledged is that you are sometimes mistaken for one of the biggest bleeding vags in forum history. Now that's a claim to fame if I've ever heard one.
#20 May 11 2007 at 9:52 AM Rating: Good
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Nexa wrote:
Have you met children?
Kids get SIGNIFICANTLY pickier the older they get, so enjoy that open-mindedness. Even just in the couple of years, Jr.'s gone from being the kind of kid that would try just about anything to ordering chicken fingers at a Mexican joint because he doesn't trust the tacos.

As for my own, we sipped all kinds of liquors when younger. My brother and I were never fans of the taste until we got older, but we're still not huge drinkers. My sister would routinely dunk her pacifier in my father's beer if he left it within her reach-she loooves the taste of beer. She's 26 now, and a moderate social drinker.
#21 May 11 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Default
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Potatoe/potatoe. You're still an uninteresting cnut, so much so that the only reason you're even slightly acknowledged is that you are sometimes mistaken for one of the biggest bleeding vags in forum history. Now that's a claim to fame if I've ever heard one.


Oops I didn't know I was posting in the Trying to be famous on an online video game forum. I'm not here to be acknowledged. I guess I can ask again. Does your personal experience lead you to assume that people post here for internet affection?

Mistaken identity and instead of apologizing you have to throw out insults like a 12 year old on Halo. You really hurt my feelings.

Edited, May 11th 2007 10:56am by Lefian
#22 May 11 2007 at 10:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Lefian wrote:
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Potatoe/potatoe. You're still an uninteresting cnut, so much so that the only reason you're even slightly acknowledged is that you are sometimes mistaken for one of the biggest bleeding vags in forum history. Now that's a claim to fame if I've ever heard one.

Oops I didn't know I was posting in the Trying to be famous on an online video game forum. I'm not here to be acknowledged. I guess I can ask again. Does your personal experience lead you to assume that people post here for internet affection?

Mistaken identity and instead of apologizing you have to throw out insults like a 12 year old on Halo. You really hurt my feelings.

And yes, folks, there it is, the butt has been hurt!
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#23 May 11 2007 at 10:09 AM Rating: Decent
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When I was a little one I used to steal drinks from my mom's beer when she fell asleep in front of the TV watching Taxi. As I grew up my taste changed to bourbon and Cokes by the time I got to jr. high. I was a full-blown alcoholic as a teenager, especially once I got my car at 18.
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#24 May 11 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Good
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You really hurt my feelings.
It's not hard with the rice-paper thin skin you have. You're lucky I'm just toying with you like a rottweiler slobbers all over and gnaws on a rag-doll it confiscates from the neighbourhood kids. Perhaps you would like to see yourself as a threat as opposed to just a chew toy? You'll have to come up with better material than a poor attempt at playing internet psychiatrist. That schtick's been overdone.

What else do you have little guy? I'm starting to feel sorry for your pathetic attempt at contempt.
#25 May 11 2007 at 11:16 AM Rating: Decent
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Despite the fact that statistically, children of alcoholics are at greater risk of becoming addicts themselves, my mother's alcoholism is really the #1 reason I emerged from my abused and neglected adolescence with no monkey on my back more frightful than a world-class chocolate addiction. I actually had a therapist once who, in complete earnest, asked me how I managed to survive my upbringing without resorting to substance abuse of some kind.

It helped that I got involved in Alateen at about the age of 14, so I KNEW I was at greater risk, and it served to make me very cautious when dealing with alcohol. At the age of 32, I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually been drunk, and each and every one of those times was planned and executed under very carefully controlled conditions, with at least one sober person around me to keep me from doing anything stupid and to pour me into bed when I'd had enough.

Of course, it didn't hurt that I was a huge geek, as were most of my friends, so we were much more likely to get together for Star Trek marathons than drinking parties.

I probably will let my kids have a little bit of alcohol at home, in the right circumstances. But I also plan to make sure they know very well that they are genetically predisposed toward addiction on both sides of the family (Mr. Ambrya's dad was an alcoholic also) and that they know just how much harm addiction can do to a family and that if they begin abusing alcohol or other drugs, it's not just going to be hurting themselves. If I have to play the "imagine the pain of growing up knowing your mother loved her beer more than she loved her own children" card, I'll do it without a single qualm.

#26 May 11 2007 at 11:23 AM Rating: Good
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I can count on one hand the number of times I've actually been drunk, and each and every one of those times was planned and executed under very carefully controlled conditions, with at least one sober person around me to keep me from doing anything stupid and to pour me into bed when I'd had enough.
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