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#52 May 11 2007 at 7:15 PM Rating: Good
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FFS, "Again" is not a sentence.

#53 May 11 2007 at 7:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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Which means that the "message" was written by the ship's crew, not the President's staff.


No. It doesn't. Unless you mean by "written" some definition that doesn't exist in the English language, because the only way your argument is valid is if the ships crew either 1) Created the phrase "mission accomplished" which they didn't, or 2) Wrote the phrase on a banner, which they didn't.

Let me know which words confuse you and I'll see if I can't get some pictographs going.

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#54 May 11 2007 at 10:53 PM Rating: Decent
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I'll ask again: If it's not because of a belief that the US will withdraw their troops then *why* have we seen an increase in this type of violence?


Marines massacring civilians in Haditha? Maybe that wasn't a big event to you but when an occupying force starts executing civilians you better be ready for some action. Or maybe they were catching onto the fact that their country still didn't have as much electricity as they did when the war started almost two years before. I can't believe anyone can say, that while majority of the American public still supported the war, that while congress had just passed a bill to continue funding the war, that some representative voicing his dislike for the war made more of an impact on enemy morale than their countrymen being slaughtered much closer to home. You cannot say for a fact which had more of an effect but it wouldn't be hard to guess that since most people didn't have electricity most people were more affected by the local news than something going on overseas.

You also can't say that the constitution was bringing peace just because attacks were down at about that time. You don't know why attacks were down. It could be attributed to a strategic lack of weapons for all we know but we don't. You're just trying to draw imaginary lines between two things that might have affected each other without taking into account other events that were known to be happening and events that could have been happening.
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You also can't say that the constitution was bringing peace just because attacks were down at about that time.
Security, checkpoints, etc were all beefed up in anticipation of the election. It'd be silly to think that maybe that affected the number of attacks that month, huh?
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#56 May 11 2007 at 11:14 PM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
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A good example of Iraq's governemnt being an impotent sham is how easily it was toppled by the words of John Murtha.
Well, it needed time to gel. Like a finely crafted Jell-O shot.


Last time I made Jell-O Shots, they never gelled. Next time I'll ask you your political opinions, so I can do them correctly.
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#57REDACTED, Posted: May 12 2007 at 12:11 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Pretty much Dems are morons and need to stfu and sit down.
#58 May 12 2007 at 12:41 AM Rating: Good
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Danalog the Vengeful Programmer wrote:
Last time I made Jell-O Shots, they never gelled. Next time I'll ask you your political opinions, so I can do them correctly.

Probably used too much alcohol, not enough water.


#59 May 12 2007 at 7:48 AM Rating: Good
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too much alcohol
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#60 May 12 2007 at 2:50 PM Rating: Excellent
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No. It doesn't. Unless you mean by "written" some definition that doesn't exist in the English language, because the only way your argument is valid is if the ships crew either 1) Created the phrase "mission accomplished" which they didn't, or 2) Wrote the phrase on a banner, which they didn't.
Which really doesn't matter anyway. The administration staff knew the banner was there, they knowingly had Bush fly in in a jet fighter, give a speech in his flight suit trying to look all like the warrior king and had the press stand in an area where their photos/film would have the banner as the backdrop to Bush giving his "We won!" speech. Are we supposed to believe that any of this wasn't orchestrated? Of course it was. And it wasn't until people began mocking Bush for "Mission Accomplished!" that the administration started backpedalling.

"Huh? Mission accomplished? We never claimed th--- a banner? What banner? Oh, that banner? Yeah, that banner behind Bush wasn't ours. Nope. Had no idea. Really, it could have said 'Eat At Joes' for all we knew, we don't think about things like that when planning big victorious photo-ops. Look, that banner was obviously for the ship's crew and any American who saw those photos of Bush in front of a strategically placed banner should have known that it had nothing to do with Bush. Quite honestly, anyone calling themself an American who isn't intimately familiar with the comings and goings of our Navy's carriers and who would think that banner was for Bush -- well, I just don't know if they should be calling themselves an American. Shame on them for thinking that banner had something to do with Bush. Shame. On. Them."

All totally innocent, I'm sure. Bush's staff were just like young fawns in the headlights to learn that anyone could misinterpret why Bush would be giving his "Major combat operations are over!" speech in front of a giant banner reading "Mission Accomplished". I'm certain that, had they not been mocked for it, they still would have made sure everyone knew that the two were in no way related and should probably be digitally removed from the photos before using them in any campaign materials or textbooks.

Edited, May 12th 2007 5:50pm by Jophiel
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#61REDACTED, Posted: May 12 2007 at 9:15 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) your like the people who think 911 was fake or some thing right? come on man if you don't have any proof of what you just said then stfu.
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your like the people who think 911 was fake or some thing right? come on man if you don't have any proof of what you just said then stfu.


Anything to contribute other than 'NUH-UH YOU'RE WRONG!!!1' ?
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your like the people who think 911 was fake or some thing right? come on man if you don't have any proof of what you just said then stfu.
So your argument is that the Presidental staff is ignorant of the environment and surroundings preceeding a massive staged photo-op on an aircraft carrier?

Well, if you think that's a better frame of mind... Smiley: laugh
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#64REDACTED, Posted: May 12 2007 at 11:43 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) Yeah guess what aliens took over earth about 20 years ago and they also control president bush yep thats what happened. also your wife is an alien o.O
#65 May 12 2007 at 11:45 PM Rating: Decent
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Which really doesn't matter anyway. The administration staff knew the banner was there, they knowingly had Bush fly in in a jet fighter...


Did he actually fly it himself? Sounds kinda doubtful after he tried to swallow a whole pretzel. Maybe Dick was flying since that was before they knew better than to give him a gun.

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Yeah guess what aliens took over earth about 20 years ago and they also control president bush yep thats what happened. also your wife is an alien o.O


You said it, not us.

Edited, May 13th 2007 12:46am by Lefian

Edited, May 13th 2007 12:47am by Lefian
#66REDACTED, Posted: May 13 2007 at 12:01 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) I guess the joke went over your head~.~
#67 May 13 2007 at 12:07 AM Rating: Good
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Yeah guess what aliens took over earth about 20 years ago and they also control president bush yep thats what happened. also your wife is an alien o.O

Why are you so fUcking stupid?

Edited, May 13th 2007 4:07am by Kastigir
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#68REDACTED, Posted: May 13 2007 at 12:10 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) ******* cause!
#69 May 13 2007 at 12:14 AM Rating: Good
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Fair enough I suppose. Smiley: rolleyes
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Did he actually fly it himself?
I believe he played co-pilot and I don't know whether or not he ever had control himself. But, when I say, "I just flew in from New York" I don't mean that they let me steer the 747 Smiley: wink2
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when I say, "I just flew in from New York" I don't mean that they let me steer the 747 Smiley: wink2
Not after last time, eh.
#72 May 13 2007 at 7:35 AM Rating: Good
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Pretty much Dems are morons and need to stfu and sit down.
Nothing says "I'm smarter than you" then the fact that you had to edit this pithy zinger!

Sir, democrats everywhere concede to your obvious superiority.
#73 May 13 2007 at 7:39 AM Rating: Good
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The Bush administration plan to stay the course no matter the cost until there is an election in 2008 and it becomes someone elses problem to deal with is the only plan they have.

Iraq is a quagmire. It is not going to get better. There is no solution.

Even if there was a solution it would be a political one and that pretty much rules out the Bush administration being the one to achieve it, since they are hamfisted and completely inept when it comes to politics on the world stage.

So they will throw money at the problem, american troops lives at the problem, anything they have to hold off the disaster they created until it is safely in someone elses hands whom they can blame when things truly go sour.

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#74 May 13 2007 at 2:09 PM Rating: Good
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The navy choose the words and put up the banner, the white house just made it for them at their request" before you realize that the words (the "message") of the banner had *nothing* to do with the Iraq conflict in general but was a statement about the ship.


I found a better explanation.

He had his fingers crossed.
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#75 May 13 2007 at 10:11 PM Rating: Default
i'm a person who can laugh really easy and i did not find that funny at all.
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The carrier was in front of CA and not the Iraki coast, it was a propaganda stunt anyway, i dont get why to attach so much value to that speech, it was 99% patriotic fluff anyway.

The whole WORLD saw it coming that invading Irak was going to cause more of a mess then solve it, thats why the protests!

To bad only France and Germany had the balls to openly stand up...
I hate my 2nd rate western nation, 1/5th of the country goes on to the streets to protest still our goverment sucks US ****

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Funny. We sat around enforcing the UN resolutions on Iraq for over 10 years. Yet all the Liberals seemed sure that was working...


The resolutions worked what they were inteded for, Saddam hadnt got a penny to scratch his butt, he wasnt a threat.
That the people still didnt revolt against him was a pity.


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