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#1 May 08 2007 at 2:17 PM Rating: Excellent
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I just realized I got the title wrong last week. Oh well.




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Another good episode, but after thinking and thinking and thinking, I still cannot figure out how Sylar managed to restart time. I knew it was going to happen, but when it did happen, it just didn't make sense.

Going back to last week, is Molly Walker dead in the future? Hubby and I are guessing not. When Future Hiro goes to Bennett, he asks for some of the ones he brought to him to hide, which included DL, Candace, and Molly Walker. Obviously Bennett, who mentions that he "turned over the dangerous ones" to Parkman, gave DL and Candace to Homeland Security. Or did he only give up DL since Sylar was not Nathan until he met Candace. Bennett wouldn't have given up Molly Walker as that would have made them able to find Claire.

Does anyone remember whether Peter does in fact mention DL, Micah, and Ando dying specifically in the nuclear blast? I had thought he said it to Nikki when he was telling her he was the man who blew up, though he mentions Ando in a separate occasion during his conversation with Ando.

What is with Mrs. Petrelli?? She appears to be with Linderman, yet how can she when the Haitian and Claire are on the run from The Company. Do you think Linderman is the Petrelli father? Are there any children with special abilities that have only ONE special ability parent? The only children I can think of are Micah, Claire, and Molly who all have two hero parents.

I have so many questions, but somehow it's not as frustrating as Lost. I love it!
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#2 May 08 2007 at 2:22 PM Rating: Good
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I have on three seperate occassions tried to sit down and watch this show and give it a fair shake. Each time I am amazed at the weak plot, the horribly stupid characters, the soap opera nature of the show, the cheese special effects and the overall crapitude of the show.

In fact I sat down and watched the episode last night and my girlfriend who hadn't even heard of the show was like 'omg, this is awful' and she isn't the type to criticize.

Why I have to mention this each time there is a Heroes thread, who knows.
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#3 May 08 2007 at 2:25 PM Rating: Excellent
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My guess is because you have only watched three, including last night's. And I'm assuming you didn't watch three consecutive weeks. :P Heroes is not something you just turn on mid season and enjoy.
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#4 May 08 2007 at 3:00 PM Rating: Decent
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1) I really didn't need all of that "Mommy" drama with Sylar. He's supposed to be the bad guy, he isn't supposed to have a mother.

2) Those scissors must have been hella sharp. Really.

3) Who the fuck is Mrs. Petrelli?
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1) I really didn't need all of that "Mommy" drama with Sylar. He's supposed to be the bad guy, he isn't supposed to have a mother.


He killed her so it's alright.


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Another good episode, but after thinking and thinking and thinking, I still cannot figure out how Sylar managed to restart time. I knew it was going to happen, but when it did happen, it just didn't make sense.

I am not sure sylar did restart time. Because as much as he loves drama why risk his neck pretending to be frozen? And if he did not know it was coming how would he know when to pretend to be frozen? Perhaps Hiro failed to control the time stop because his heart was not in killing? Or perhaps some other power Sylar has absorbed minimizes the powers of others after a short period of time?

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Going back to last week, is Molly Walker dead in the future? Hubby and I are guessing not. When Future Hiro goes to Bennett, he asks for some of the ones he brought to him to hide, which included DL, Candace, and Molly Walker. Obviously Bennett, who mentions that he "turned over the dangerous ones" to Parkman, gave DL and Candace to Homeland Security. Or did he only give up DL since Sylar was not Nathan until he met Candace. Bennett wouldn't have given up Molly Walker as that would have made them able to find Claire.

I did not notice. That is intersting since Molly would be able to pinpoint where sylar is; maybe no one thought to ask the question since Sylar was supposed to be dead.
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Does anyone remember whether Peter does in fact mention DL, Micah, and Ando dying specifically in the nuclear blast? I had thought he said it to Nikki when he was telling her he was the man who blew up, though he mentions Ando in a separate occasion during his conversation with Ando.


Yes he states that DL, Micah, Ando and somehow her alterego in the mirror are killed in the blast.
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What is with Mrs. Petrelli?? She appears to be with Linderman, yet how can she when the Haitian and Claire are on the run from The Company.

My first assumption, espcially since Nathan asks "what are doing here I thought I would not see you until tonight," is that it was not her, but the shape shifting woman pretending to be her - since she works for linderman.




Edited, May 8th 2007 7:13pm by fhrugby
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After the action in the previous episode this one was just okay...

I have a feeling that Mrs. Petrelli has a power... she seems to be crazy smart since she planned for her son to get into politics. I like the idea of Linderman being the Petrelli father, it seems to fit.

Other than that I can't wait until bomb time!
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All that trouble to get it and then Hiro wimps out and gets his sword broken from being freezed by Sylar. It ain't right...

That's a good catch on the shapeshifter, Fhrugby, if it's true. Looking forward to the last 3 episodes!
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#9 May 08 2007 at 3:27 PM Rating: Good
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All that trouble to get it and then Hiro wimps out and gets his sword broken from being freezed by Sylar. It ain't right...
yeah but remember it is not Hiro's sword, it is future hiros sword, and hiro was still able to teleport after it broke.

Some other things I noted:
  • Coming attrations shows George Takei back in next episode and wielding a sword that is not broken.
  • if Mohinder's sister had a power, then he must have one too, which will upset some b/c they don't like him, maybe he has the power to annoy?

  • I bet Claire does not have to shoot Peter to stop him from exploding, Bennet is there to talk him through it so he can supress it.
  • I don't think Lindeman is Nathan and/or Peter's father, I think he is Sylar's father.
  • The painting of the future in lindermans lab shows Micha hovering over the ruined city like a thanksgiving ballon. This ties into a new theory I have about Niki: What if Niki's power is to catch the dying and hold them inside her and Jessica her "dead" twin has the power of super strength. Niki's is not a power you would learn how to use well as you would not get a lot of practice, and when Micah is killed in the blast she trys to use it instinctively and releases Jessica but fails to successuly capture Micah. This would explain how Jessica dies in the blast and Micah is all spooky hovering above city.

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    fhrugby the Sly wrote:
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    Another good episode, but after thinking and thinking and thinking, I still cannot figure out how Sylar managed to restart time. I knew it was going to happen, but when it did happen, it just didn't make sense.

    I am not sure sylar did restart time. Because as much as he loves drama why risk his neck pretending to be frozen? And if he did not know it was coming how would he know when to pretend to be frozen? Perhaps Hiro failed to control the time stop because his heart was not in killing? Or perhaps some other power Sylar has absorbed minimizes the powers of others after a short period of time?


    I'm not following what you're saying here about pretending to be frozen. What you said about Hiro faltering would make sense though, as time restarted just as Hiro was about to do it.

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    Going back to last week, is Molly Walker dead in the future? Hubby and I are guessing not. When Future Hiro goes to Bennett, he asks for some of the ones he brought to him to hide, which included DL, Candace, and Molly Walker. Obviously Bennett, who mentions that he "turned over the dangerous ones" to Parkman, gave DL and Candace to Homeland Security. Or did he only give up DL since Sylar was not Nathan until he met Candace. Bennett wouldn't have given up Molly Walker as that would have made them able to find Claire.

    I did not notice. That is intersting since Molly would be able to pinpoint where sylar is; maybe no one thought to ask the question since Sylar was supposed to be dead.


    Why is Sylar supposed to be dead? The last they see of him was in the Suresh apartment and the Eric Roberts guy says "Molly is the ONLY one who can stop Sylar" so he knows he's still alive.

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    What is with Mrs. Petrelli?? She appears to be with Linderman, yet how can she when the Haitian and Claire are on the run from The Company.

    My first assumption, espcially since Nathan asks "what are doing here I thought I would not see you until tonight," is that it was not her, but the shape shifting woman pretending to be her - since she works for linderman.


    Interesting theory, but she is watching Micah...
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    fhrugby the Sly wrote:
  • if Mohinder's sister had a power, then he must have one too, which will upset some b/c they don't like him, maybe he has the power to annoy?


  • My husband said this too, but did she really have a power? Did they say what it was? I had thought she just had an extremely rare genetic disorder.

    I love your Nikki theory btw. That would make her a hell of a lot more interesting.

    Edited, May 8th 2007 11:36pm by Pikko
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    I'm not following what you're saying here about pretending to be frozen.

    Well I mean Sylar could not Restart frozen time since he would have to use a power while frozen, and since he is frozen in time he could not execute a thought ect. So the next logical assumption is that he was only pretending to be frozen, but that does not work as how would he know when to pretend and why risk pretending, if time is not stopped for him, Hiro can't hurt him.

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    Why is Sylar supposed to be dead?
    In the future episode Sylar died in the Blast supposedly. We don't find out til the end of that episode that Nathan died and Sylar pretends to be Nathan for five years. So in the future no one would think to ask molly to pinpoint him since he is dead, though that is weak, since there is no body.

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    Interesting theory, but she is watching Micah...
    She could take a break while Eric Roberts watches the kid now that her cover is blown to the kid.





    One thing I forgot to add earlier, I think Micah is in NY to "fix" the election machines.


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    I understand the serial nature of it, I have no problem jumping into the story.

    It still doesn't explain the shallow, poorly written, often obtuse characters. A soap serial like this is built off the strength of its characters. It just isn't there.

    That aside the pacing of the story is tedious and feels like it crawls at a snails pace. There are sudden bursts of action, however the build up too it isn't worth the pay off, especially seeing as how the character development is so absolutely painful.

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    My husband said this too, but did she really have a power? Did they say what it was? I had thought she just had an extremely rare genetic disorder.


    I think that's all it is too, just the disorder. I don't think any of Mohinder's family has any abilities, unless you count the ability the dad had to track them by computer.

    I missed this last night, so I just watched it online. So I didn't see the coming attractions for next week's episode.

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    What is with Mrs. Petrelli?? She appears to be with Linderman, yet how can she when the Haitian and Claire are on the run from The Company.


    Has there been any firm evidence to conclude that the Primatech Paper people and Linderman are all working together? I've assumed they are two different groups, with two different agendas. I think the Primatech folks are more of a psuedo-government group that wants to study people with power and use them for their own ends (what that is we don't know). Linderman seems to be an offshoot of a group of "first generation" heroes, who's adopted his own "vision" of the future. Apparently, one shared by Mrs. Petrelli. It seems like others of this group are working with the Primatech people (Hiro's dad for one). Whether they are pawns or players remains to be seen.


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    Do you think Linderman is the Petrelli father? Are there any children with special abilities that have only ONE special ability parent? The only children I can think of are Micah, Claire, and Molly who all have two hero parents.


    Presumably most people with powers have either none, or just one parent with a gift. Else, where did they come from? For example, I don't think Sylar's mom had any abilities (although she may have but rejected them as some sort of satanic gift. She was a bit looney).
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    Another question that has come up is why this sudden ability awareness? Seems like this "generation" of heroes suddenly became aware of their abilities at relatively the same time.

    It suddenly occurred to me that this show has a lot of parallels to The 4400, the show on USA. It's about people who are taken in the past and returned one day to Mt. Ranier and they have special abilities that are meant to help them save the future.
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    Mohinder will use Molly's virus to stop Sylar from using his power.

    Molly is the key to defeating Sylar? Why? Because she can find him? So what? lol

    Also don't ever put 'Lost' and 'Heroes' in the same sentence. . .
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    Also don't ever put 'Lost' and 'Heroes' in the same sentence. . .


    You mean like how you just did?
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    Molly is the key to defeating Sylar? Why? Because she can find him? So what? lol


    Look a little more outside this. I don't think it so much Molly ability to find people that is the key, but more of her disorder.

    Mohinder took blood from Molly, if he can inject that in to Sylar then it will not only stop his abilities but in the long run kill him as it did to Mohinder sister.

    Edited, May 9th 2007 9:45am by Orianah
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    Molly is the key to defeating Sylar? Why? Because she can find him? So what? lol


    Look a little more outside this. I don't think it so much Molly ability to find people that is the key, but more of her disorder.

    Mohinder took blood from Molly, if he can inject that in to Sylar then it will not only stop his abilities but in the long run kill him as it did to Mohinder sister.

    Edited, May 9th 2007 9:45am by Orianah


    gj in not reading my first sentence.

    Also, Pikko you think you're pretty clever huh!!
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    Molly is the key to defeating Sylar? Why? Because she can find him? So what? lol


    Look a little more outside this. I don't think it so much Molly ability to find people that is the key, but more of her disorder.

    Mohinder took blood from Molly, if he can inject that in to Sylar then it will not only stop his abilities but in the long run kill him as it did to Mohinder sister.

    Edited, May 9th 2007 9:45am by Orianah


    You also must not forget that they not only have the Haitian who has the ability to block peoples powers, they probably have more people with powers to throw at Sylar.
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    You also must not forget that they not only have the Haitian who has the ability to block peoples powers, they probably have more people with powers to throw at Sylar.


    Yeah. They were able to take him down once before. Presumably could do it again, although I'd bring more then just the Haitian. In any case, finding him seems to have been their biggest problem.

    Also, don't forget that the whole "We can find Sylar" bit is only one part of this. With Molly, they can find anyone with abilities, which seems to be a bit more important to them in the long run.

    I also enjoyed how the three amigos were going after the "Walker tracking system". I'm wondering if Bennet even knows that it's a person...
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