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#27 May 03 2007 at 11:55 AM Rating: Decent
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Jophiel wrote:
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People have been teaching successfully for thousands or years too.
And?

If that's your best argument to connect two separate fields and say that daycare workers are woefully underpaid then I'm afraid you lost me.
Smiley: lol You used the argument not me.

Apparently I value child-care providers more than you and think they're underpaid. You wanna argue about that?

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I can connect the two professions though. They are both people we entrust the safety and well being of our children too. Day care providers 'teach' every bit as much as teachers 'babysit'.

Edited, May 3rd 2007 9:56pm by Elinda
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#28 May 03 2007 at 12:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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Elinda wrote:
Smiley: lol You used the argument not me.
Well, the point you apparently missed being that general child-rearing hasn't significantly changed in that time. The institution of education has.
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Apparently I value child-care providers more than you and think they're underpaid. You wanna argue about that?
Not much to argue there. I disagree with your assessment but I won't argue that you think it.
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They are both people we entrust the safety and well being of our children too. Day care providers 'teach' every bit as much as teachers 'babysit'.
I would disagree with that as well, although I've also been careful to add the caveat "in-home" to distinguish them from those who may be in organizations which require special licensing, certification, etc.
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#29 May 03 2007 at 12:21 PM Rating: Excellent
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1. Career Mom vs Stay at Home Mom

Depends on the person. I admire anyone who can stay at home and raise their kids. I do feel that some people are better mommies when they're working and not spending every waking moment with their children. I'd go batty being a stay at home mom. Any woman who can do that gets a thumbs up from me.

2. Breast or Bottle (keep in mind kids need to eat in public too, when answering)

I made it to 11 months with my first and 1 year with my second with exclusive breastfeeding, so I'm a big fan of boobing. But at the same time, if someone gives up really early, I only bad mouth them to my husband in private. Smiley: lol Unless they had cracked nipples. Then I feel the need to go huddle in a corner and sob for the poor woman.

3. To Spank, or Not To Spank

IMO depends how your kid is after they rip off their halo and stomp on it at age 2. If you have a little tasmanian devil on your hands, maybe showing them you mean business can go a long way. I know one hit from Grandpa (pants on, not too hard) was enough to put my nephew in line. I guess the act spoke for itself.

4. Organic only Foods? Fast Food OK?

We're very into organic bananas and if it's reasonable, we'll choose organic. But by no means do I insist on organic only. Fast food is great in a pinch as long as you know the menu well and order the healthy sides that many places offer now. (apples, milk, juice) Did you know a ham and cheese melt sandwich at Arby's has like 450 less calories than their fancy healthy looking roast turkey swiss sandwich?

Lately I haven't been to McDonald's at all because they have this new haupia (coconut) pie... I love coconut and if I go into that drive-thru, oh it's over.

Edited, May 3rd 2007 8:24pm by Pikko
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#30 May 03 2007 at 12:25 PM Rating: Good
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A friend of mine's mother runs a day care. One mom in particular drops her kids off at off hours, weekends, etc. just because "she needs a break from them".


Now, I do this, but not to a day care. A couple times a week when my husband gets home, I'll pop out for a breather, and either go out to run some errands without the kids with me, or just drive around and recharge my batteries. Not for long, usually 30 minutes or so. But for myself, it has been an amazing way to clear my head and not get bogged down with the tantrums of the day, remembering that this too shall pass (if its been a bad day). It also helps me reconnect with myself. I'm Mommy 24/7 and Wife, but sometimes I need to be just "me". Plus its the only time I can turn the volume up to my favorite music without having to worry about lil ear drums popping Smiley: wink

By the time I get home, I'm a much more relaxed person and ready to face anything. My kids also benefit by having some solo time with dad, which they dont get often enough since hes been working long hours lately


Right; but bear in mind, her kids are in the day care seven hours a day, five days a week already. Unlike you, she hasn't spent all day every day talking to toddlers and/or infants.

Edit: I just realized that last comment could be taken as a snipe, and wanted to clarify that I didn't mean it that way at all. Unlike you, she has not dedicated herself to her kids selflessly all day. She just doesn't seem to want to be around them at all, ever.

Edited, May 3rd 2007 3:34pm by Samira



Nah, that doesn't even look like half a snipe. This part of your original confused me:
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Good heavens, she already has all day every day away from them, what more does she need? (This is a suburban non-working mom, by the way.
which is why I brought up my time alone. But yeah, that woman sounds like she cant handle being a mom if she cant be around them even after having them in day care all day.
#31 May 03 2007 at 12:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Right. She's not working (outside the home, that is); her kids are in day care all day; yet she feels the need to be away from them... even more.

Her husband, luckily, is an attentive parent; but he also works long hours. I just wonder at the effect all this is having on the kids.
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#32 May 03 2007 at 3:32 PM Rating: Good
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Why does the "imminent danger" qualifier always come up when discussing spanking? Is it even necessary to mention? Who is going to say, "when my kid is reaching for a hot stove, I'll tell him 'no' but I won't touch him. Or I'll try to stop him, but only slowly enough that it won't be considered hitting." It's not even technically spanking at all (it's protective, not punitive), why do you feel it necessary to explain it away? Bah!



#33 May 03 2007 at 4:37 PM Rating: Good
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because, despite the obviousness of the necessity at times, there are some people who would still consider that out of line, or even abusive. They're few and far between, but usually those are the idiots who scream the loudest Smiley: rolleyes
#34 May 04 2007 at 1:04 AM Rating: Decent
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Why does the "imminent danger" qualifier always come up when discussing spanking? Is it even necessary to mention? Who is going to say, "when my kid is reaching for a hot stove, I'll tell him 'no' but I won't touch him. Or I'll try to stop him, but only slowly enough that it won't be considered hitting." It's not even technically spanking at all (it's protective, not punitive), why do you feel it necessary to explain it away? Bah!


Oh, you just wait until Smash hears of this... Then you'll be in trouble!

But at least you won't get spanked. Every cloud...

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#35 May 04 2007 at 6:59 AM Rating: Good
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1. Career Mom vs Stay at Home Mom
BIGOT!!! Stay at home dad's aren't a viable option? Only women can stay at home? THE (WO)MAN IS KEEPING ME DOWN!

2. Breast or Bottle (keep in mind kids need to eat in public too, when answering).
Adoption doesn't give us the option to breastfeed. My man boobs aren't designed to have babyjuice in them.

3. To Spank, or Not To Spank.
Nah, the look when used properly works great.

4. Organic only Foods? Fast Food OK?
You mean McD's isn't organic?
#36 May 04 2007 at 10:59 AM Rating: Good
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Though I don't have kids, I do have a uterus and opinions a-plenty, so here goes:

1. Career Mom vs Stay at Home Mom

Almost a meaningless question in the current U.S. economy. Most parents do not have the luxury of even making this choice. Ideally, one of the parents at home at least until the child is in school. I have no Mom vs. Dad preference.

2. Breast or Bottle (keep in mind kids need to eat in public too, when answering)

Breast when possible. I just think it's healthier. Bewbies are good for babies! And I find nothing offensive in a woman breast-feeding a baby in public.

3. To Spank, or Not To Spank

Whatever works with the child in question, and every parent has to figure that one out with each child. If the job can be accomplished without spanking (and I'm convinced it usually can be) all the better. Gotta put the fear into those tykes early though, so they dread displeasing you. When my mom would ask in that deadly calm and quiet voice "do you want me to stop the car?" it was terror time. This was not based on any fear of a spanking. We kids had no idea what would happen if Mom actually ever did stop the car because her asking the question was always enough to snap us into obedience.

4. Organic only Foods? Fast Food OK?

The concern about the safety of our foods (and the long term health impact of the additives to them) is going to feed the movement toward parents choosing less processed foods for their families. Oh hell, who am I kidding? Everybody's tired when they get home and that drive-through is awfully quick and convenient.

I think by and large, most parents are muddling through, doing the best they know how at the time. They don't need me ragging on them. Parents who frequently drop their kids into daycare simply to get away from them do disturb me though. That just seems so wrong. Scheduling a little "me" time, no problem. Got lots of errands you want to finish quickly? Perfectly reasonable. Just find the kids too tiring to deal with on a regular basis? Something's wrong here.

Edited, May 4th 2007 2:00pm by Yanari
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