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I love how you guys keep trying to turn the discussion around like I am somehow trying to justify my position for my own sake. There is no vendetta here, deal with it.

Celcio, you seem to still be missing the point. If choice is indeed the differentiating factor, then what that says about our culture is that we are still very unaccepting of diversity... that we only accept or tolerate differences when the person has no choice, not based on the actual effect of those differences.

I've yet to see a compelling argument as to why that's a part of our culture that we should readily embrace.



You're talking about what is. I'm talking about what should be. You might think I'm just being a naive idealist, and that's fine. I acknowledge the reality, while at the same time evaluate the theoretical ideality, and look at ways to bridge the gap between reality and ideality. That is how progress is made.

Unless you can explain to me how it is somehow a cultural inevitability, but in which case you might make the same case for other forms of discrimination, and I might not disagree with you.

Believe it or not, I'm really not firmly set on my position. I came here more to be convinced than to convince others, I just have yet to see an ethical justification for discriminating based on dress other than things along the lines of, "that's the way it is and has been for a long time." Antagonizing me isn't really necessary either, as much fun as I'm sure it is.

I might think you're a total fUcking ******, and that'd be fine, too.

How about this answer: Much like a college education, the culturally reinforced dress code for certain jobs is nothing more than another tool used by the wealthy to keep the black man down.

I like it.

There's no profit in that for me. The more people who decide to attend job interviews in their sweat pants, the better off I am

You're like a child, confident in your ignorance.

I could play the devils advocate and argue for the need for social stratification, role distinction, competition and a certain amount of intolerance as being necessary for a societies survival.

However I am sure you would be entirely incapable of getting over the culturally ingrained values of fairness in order to be able to understand it.

No, you seem to be missing the point.

Our culture IS accepting of diversity! When I'm not visiting clients I can wear whatever I wish (modesty laws notwithstanding)) can wear piercings and show tattoos and cleavage and wool and all that! Our culture is truly free like that!

You, otoh, want to not only embrace that, but oppress those that would pay your pay to getting ink and black silk and eyeliner. See the OTHER part of our culture that you seem loathe to acknowledge? Is the EMPLOYER'S right to have his image too. There is no law mandating that the cultural melting pot must include some juvenile lisping, tongue-pierced "rebel". Do that on your OWN TIME.

There is no law mandating that someone should pay you to indulge youself at, frankly, their expense. You have a choice. Play along or go be a barrista.

edit: My piercing got in the way of my quote :( It's the MAN's fault!
edit2: And STILL it defeats me! RACISM! SEXISM! SOMETHING! Not my choice!




Edited, Apr 30th 2007 5:58pm by Celcio

Edited, Apr 30th 2007 6:00pm by Celcio

How bout the black sheep - would you feel different then?

Oh PLEASE! Everyone knows niggers wear adidas track suits, not AC/DC! It's a cultural thing!

I refuse to talk to you.

Kachi

You're getting close to my top 5 Thick-Shits" list.

That's one way to duck out, I suppose.

Whatever makes you feel like you beat the MAN.

BTW I find your post incredibly amusing - anyone who's been around here for any length of time knows there are no "masses". People here disagree with each other as much as they agree - on many things!

Oh but if you recognized that you would have to recognize that it's not you against the man but you against any form of logic.

Ok you chalk up that "win".

Touch up the mascara and don't forget - down the road, not across the street.

edit: for runaway keystrokes



Edited, Apr 30th 2007 6:13pm by Celcio

When in Rome. . .