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#1 Apr 27 2007 at 5:09 AM Rating: Default
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Ok, so it's not news to anyone that a lot of people judge others based on how they dress, wear their hair, tattoos and piercings, etc., but it seems like something we really don't address.

In many industries, wearing a suit is simply part of being a "professional." Does wearing a suit actually improve your ability to do your job? Probably only for the reason that others will judge you based on your appearance. You might be uncomfortable in a suit and work much better in a T-shirt and shorts, but that just doesn't send the image your employers are trying to create.

You sure as hell wouldn't walk into the average job interview with pants sagging, a wifebeater and a doorag, and you probably wouldn't hire someone that did, but what if that's everyday attire for that person? Does it then become cultural or racial discrimination... is the attire acceptable as long as it doesn't hinder the person from doing their job? Or are uniformity/professionalism legitimate excuses for discriminating based on fashion?

Earlier I was discussing the issue of school uniforms with some colleagues. Some people think that school uniforms reduce disciplinary problems in schools, partially because of the way it desegregates students and makes them less apt to make judgments of eachother based on dress. Makes sense enough, but is that really the message we need to be sending? Kind of goes back to that argument of cultural melting pot vs. cultural salad bowl. I myself wonder if school uniforms don't encourage students to think that the way a person dresses indicates the kind of person they are or their capability to do a job.

Then some people dress a certain way specifically to be percieved a certain way.

Well, where do you weigh in? To what extent do clothes make the man?
#2 Apr 27 2007 at 5:29 AM Rating: Good
Not to the benifit of my career but I take a hard stance on this. I have tattoos (visible), so that instantly puts me at a disadvantage in the eyes of a potential employer. With that kind of strike already against me, I tend not to care that much about my dress.

I'm clean cut (I do have a beard but neatly trimmed and shaved everyday), my clothes are free of holes and ironed, my speech and attitude is nothing but profesional. But I will never, under any circumstances, wear a suit.

My business casual approach to dressing has zero impact on the work I do. Much like the ability to tie a windsor has on my preformance. If I find a potential job that requires me to dress in a suit, I'd pass on the job. I'd rather be comfortable and happy, then some business monkey dress for the part and miserable.

So far I've been fortunate that the people I've worked for over the years have given me the opportunity and understood that my work is greater then my polo.
#3 Apr 27 2007 at 5:46 AM Rating: Default
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The appearance of professionalism is important.

Certain social situations call for different costumes. Been this way for 2,000 years. Deal with it and accept the fact that wearing sweat pants is a sign of failure.
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#4 Apr 27 2007 at 5:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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bodhisattva wrote:
The appearance of professionalism is important.

Certain social situations call for different costumes. Been this way for 2,000 years. Deal with it and accept the fact that wearing sweat pants is a sign of failure.


Unless of course you work from home.

Then you don't wear any pants at all.
#5 Apr 27 2007 at 5:50 AM Rating: Good
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I am not unconfortable wearing a suit, and in fact it can often be quicker and easier to dress when wearing a suit, if you pretie the ties. The big issue for me is the cost. Suits, dress shirts, ties and dress shoes are expensive to buy and upkeep. I am currently interviewing for a job that would be an upgrade over the current one. If the new job requires that I wear suits much more often, currently its once a month, I intend to ask for a signing bonus to cover the additional clothing cost.
#6 Apr 27 2007 at 5:57 AM Rating: Good
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Nizdaar wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
The appearance of professionalism is important.

Certain social situations call for different costumes. Been this way for 2,000 years. Deal with it and accept the fact that wearing sweat pants is a sign of failure.


Unless of course you work from home.

Then you don't wear any pants at all.


In the privacy of ones own home you may wear/notwear whatever you wish. However when in public fullfilling certain roles you will be expected to dress to meet the expectations of others. Whether that be a suit or a uniform, a type of dress to fit in with a certain clique, etc.

First year sociology or cultural anthro ftw. Dressing to meet the role does not help one actually carry out the role, however it gives the impression that hey can fill the role and good impressions are the key too any professional position. Whether it be an office job or begging ancestor spirits for a good crop and lots of rain.
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#7 Apr 27 2007 at 6:02 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kachi wrote:
Does wearing a suit actually improve your ability to do your job? Probably only for the reason that others will judge you based on your appearance. You might be uncomfortable in a suit and work much better in a T-shirt and shorts, but that just doesn't send the image your employers are trying to create.?
Back when my parents got divorced, my mom took a job in a call center to make ends meet. She always took the time each morning to wear something crisp and professional despite the fact no customer would see her and the employees were allowed to wear sweats, jeans, t-shirts, etc. She said that she felt as if, if she was to start going to work in sweats and t-shirts, she would have just given up and resigned herself to staying at that job. Instead, she dressed nicely, remained upbeat, was promoted several times (including out of the center and evenually into a technical position) and did well for herself. So, in that instance anyway, dress had a motivating factor in how well she worked.

Personally, I have no qualms about wearing a suit. A decently fitted suit is perfectly comfortable and I'd wear one daily if my job called for it. As it is, I'd look strangely out of place so I don't.
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#8 Apr 27 2007 at 6:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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The big issue for me is the cost. Suits, dress shirts, ties and dress shoes are expensive to buy and upkeep. I am currently interviewing for a job that would be an upgrade over the current one. If the new job requires that I wear suits much more often, currently its once a month, I intend to ask for a signing bonus to cover the additional clothing cost.
For a guy who only has to wear a suit for weddings and funerals, I probably own more suits than the average non-executive. I could wear a different suit each day of the working week and have one left over for church on Sunday.

Really, what I'm lacking in are ties.
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#9 Apr 27 2007 at 6:06 AM Rating: Decent
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Really, what I'm lacking in are ties.


How is that even possible? I thought they reproduced like cancer to eventually take over a closet and declare sovereignty.
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I used to own more when I was younger but they've either become damaged/worn or are terribly out of style. Since I don't wear a suit often, I never really bothered to replenish my supply. I have three nice ties I pick from depending on the shirt I'm wearing.
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#11 Apr 27 2007 at 6:15 AM Rating: Decent
I have 2. One white and one black. Nice and simple.
#12 Apr 27 2007 at 6:29 AM Rating: Excellent
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Boys are so cute when they're all talking about clothes and accessories.
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#13 Apr 27 2007 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
Boys are so cute when they're all talking about clothes and accessories.


Every girl crazy 'bout a sharp dressed man.

At least I am.../swoon

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#14 Apr 27 2007 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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First year sociology or cultural anthro ftw. Dressing to meet the role does not help one actually carry out the role, however it gives the impression that hey can fill the role and good impressions are the key too any professional position.


To clarify, my question is not "why" but do you think we should approach things that way, and why?

It's obvious that that's "the way things are," but is it the way things should be, or is it just a futile tradition that could just as well be done away with?
#15 Apr 27 2007 at 6:54 AM Rating: Good
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Really, what I'm lacking in are ties.


That's a travesty. I'll start a collection among the Allanois participants and we'll hook you up.
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Kachi wrote:
It's obvious that that's "the way things are," but is it the way things should be, or is it just a futile tradition that could just as well be done away with?
Barring people who wear protective garb in their line of work, it's pretty safe to say that anyone could potentially do their job just as well dressed in a potato sack. But I don't expect a cultural revolution over it any time soon. Just wear a tie and stop ********* hippy Smiley: grin
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#17 Apr 27 2007 at 7:00 AM Rating: Excellent
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I have a tie you can borrow Joph! I don't wear it to work though.

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I have a tie you can borrow Joph!
Is it made of a 2" length of wire and covered in green paper?
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#19 Apr 27 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Excellent
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Jophiel wrote:
Nexa wrote:
I have a tie you can borrow Joph!
Is it made of a 2" length of wire and covered in green paper?


Sometimes I make them into Christmas Trees.

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#20 Apr 27 2007 at 7:13 AM Rating: Decent
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If I lived in Chitonw, I'd totally dress like Elwood Blues 24/7
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If I lived in Chitonw, I'd totally dress like Elwood Blues 24/7
You'll need a Superfans outfit for the times your Jake 'n Elwood suit is covered in sewer mud and at the cleaners.
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#22 Apr 27 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Decent
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Just wear a tie and stop ********* hippy


I don't have to :p I can wear whatever I want, I just thought it was an interesting consideration.

I guess what I really should have asked is, do you think judging someone's character or ability to do their job based on their appearance is fair/warranted?
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You'll need a Superfans outfit for the times your Jake 'n Elwood suit is covered in sewer mud and at the cleaners.


I don't think I could pass myself off as a Bears fan what with the constant eye rolling I'd have to engage in.

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#24 Apr 27 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Decent
Kachi wrote:
I guess what I really should have asked is, do you think judging someone's character or ability to do their job based on their appearance is fair/warranted?


Short answer: Nope.

Long answer: Nope.
#25 Apr 27 2007 at 8:25 AM Rating: Good
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You'd think I'd buy the man some cool ties, but that's the one clothing item I have absolutely no idea about, except that I know I hate bowties.
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Atomicflea wrote:
You'd think I'd buy the man some cool ties, but that's the one clothing item I have absolutely no idea about, except that I know I hate bowties.


Agreed. I just don't think I could take a man wearing a bowtie seriously. It's so...Peewee...

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