Jophiel wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Couldn't it be Evangalions instead? Space travel is sooooo 2001.
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Hey now. Once Bush's "Mission to Mars" is complete, we'll need a new goal!
Couldn't it be Evangalions instead? Space travel is sooooo 2001.
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“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
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― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
The one thing that could effect it is whether it's rock or ice.
Don't quit your day job.
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Smasharoo wrote:
It's only 20 lightyears, we'll make it some day. Could be sooner than you think.
We'll all be loooong dead.
We'll all be loooong dead.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Us Canadians have already been there. We call it Pinkytopiaprime.
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 2:43pm by Yodabunny
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 2:43pm by Yodabunny
Smasharoo wrote:
The one thing that could effect it is whether it's rock or ice.
Don't quit your day job.
Uhm, right. There's a difference. Distance from the centre, larger it is weaker the pull of gravity. This is why you are slightly lighter at the equator than you are at the poles. If the planet is just a big hunk of ice it will be less dense and therefore much larger, so gravity on the surface will be less than if it was a big hunk of rock.
Edit to add:
Here's the formula F = Mm/r^2
Big mass X little mass divided by radius (or distance to the centre), farther you are from the center the less gravity there is. Bigger planet with the same mass as a smaller planet will have LESS GRAVITY on the surface (which is the only gravity we're talking about). Go back to school.
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 2:44pm by Yodabunny
Yodabunny wrote:
Us Canadians have already been there. We call it Pinkytopiaprime.
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 2:43pm by Yodabunny
Edited, Apr 25th 2007 2:43pm by Yodabunny
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it is amazing that we have the ability to find one close enough to our own planet to be able to tell a little about it.
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet. if there is a God, we will all be forced to sit in our own pile of crap till we clean it up or die. then, mabe, letting us escape this place might be safe for where ever we end up.
my money is on this planet being destroyed long before we have the ability to escape it.
kind of like beer and women at bars. the more you drink the better they look, but the less you are able to do anything about it. consider it a safety net for the rest of the galaxy.
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet. if there is a God, we will all be forced to sit in our own pile of crap till we clean it up or die. then, mabe, letting us escape this place might be safe for where ever we end up.
my money is on this planet being destroyed long before we have the ability to escape it.
kind of like beer and women at bars. the more you drink the better they look, but the less you are able to do anything about it. consider it a safety net for the rest of the galaxy.
shadowrelm wrote:
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet.
Speak for yourself, *******.
shadowrelm wrote:
it is amazing that we have the ability to find one close enough to our own planet to be able to tell a little about it.
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet. if there is a God, we will all be forced to sit in our own pile of crap till we clean it up or die. then, mabe, letting us escape this place might be safe for where ever we end up.
my money is on this planet being destroyed long before we have the ability to escape it.
kind of like beer and women at bars. the more you drink the better they look, but the less you are able to do anything about it. consider it a safety net for the rest of the galaxy.
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet. if there is a God, we will all be forced to sit in our own pile of crap till we clean it up or die. then, mabe, letting us escape this place might be safe for where ever we end up.
my money is on this planet being destroyed long before we have the ability to escape it.
kind of like beer and women at bars. the more you drink the better they look, but the less you are able to do anything about it. consider it a safety net for the rest of the galaxy.
We have the ability now. It's just prohibitively expensive with current technology. We are perfectly capable of building a self contained society inside an arkship and getting there in 50000 years with an intact society, but who wants to start something like that and who could pay for it? If it came down to the end of the world (and we knew about it in advance) someone would do it. It would make more sense to build permanent stationary space stations (which we can also do with current technology) than an arkship though, so we'll probably go that route when the earth tells us to GTFO.
The problem with recognizing life is the qualifier "as we know it". Which is limited to carbon-based forms. I've always been fond of the idea that Jupiter's clouds are inhabited by amorphous, sentient wisps of gases. Or something of the like.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Yodabunny wrote:
We have the ability now. It's just prohibitively expensive with current technology. We are perfectly capable of building a self contained society inside an arkship and getting there in 50000 years with an intact society, but who wants to start something like that and who could pay for it? If it came down to the end of the world (and we knew about it in advance) someone would do it. It would make more sense to build permanent stationary space stations (which we can also do with current technology) than an arkship though, so we'll probably go that route when the earth tells us to GTFO.
Bullshit. I'd like to see what happens when nuclear war breaks out *inside* this ship between the feuding clans that develop. 50,000 years is a very, very long time; human civilization hasn't been around anywhere near that length of time.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Yodabunny wrote:
shadowrelm wrote:
it is amazing that we have the ability to find one close enough to our own planet to be able to tell a little about it.
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet. if there is a God, we will all be forced to sit in our own pile of crap till we clean it up or die. then, mabe, letting us escape this place might be safe for where ever we end up.
my money is on this planet being destroyed long before we have the ability to escape it.
kind of like beer and women at bars. the more you drink the better they look, but the less you are able to do anything about it. consider it a safety net for the rest of the galaxy.
but we dont deserve to escape the mess we are making of our own planet. if there is a God, we will all be forced to sit in our own pile of crap till we clean it up or die. then, mabe, letting us escape this place might be safe for where ever we end up.
my money is on this planet being destroyed long before we have the ability to escape it.
kind of like beer and women at bars. the more you drink the better they look, but the less you are able to do anything about it. consider it a safety net for the rest of the galaxy.
We have the ability now. It's just prohibitively expensive with current technology. We are perfectly capable of building a self contained society inside an arkship and getting there in 50000 years with an intact society, but who wants to start something like that and who could pay for it? If it came down to the end of the world (and we knew about it in advance) someone would do it. It would make more sense to build permanent stationary space stations (which we can also do with current technology) than an arkship though, so we'll probably go that route when the earth tells us to GTFO.
I know there are plenty of people who would volunteer to man such a ship. And there are plenty of engineers/scientists who would be eager to design and build it (and due to the nature of such beasts, they'd likely even take a pay cut for the chance at working on something really cool). I bet there are companies who would even willingly *donate* materials for it, just beacuse it's cool. The problem is: who would pay for it and actually get it done? Governments would politicize it, most private corporations would try to make it profitable somehow...it would have to be a non-profit coalition of some sort.
Seriously no. With current technology we can't make a 50,000 year journey. Voyager is about to die and it's barely past the sun's solar wind.
Lefian wrote:
Seriously no. With current technology we can't make a 50,000 year journey. Voyager is about to die and it's barely past the sun's solar wind.
Yes, and voyager is how many years old, unmanned, was one of the first satalites built, and most importantly wasn't designed to last this long. With enough resources we can actually make it in even less than 50,000 years. The problem isn't technological, we have the technology. Keep in mind there would be an entire society living in this thing that could fix any problems enroute. The problem is societal. No one will pay for it because there is absolutely no return on your investment.
I don't think they'd kill themselves off on the ship. It would be too important. On earth, if you drop a nuke you're not killing yourself, on a spaceship you would be. The ship would probably end up being some kind of religious symbol after the first few generations though. You might end up in a situation where they don't actually want to leave the ship when they get there. They'll have forgotten exactly why they are there in the first place.
Yodabunny wrote:
The ship would probably end up being some kind of religious symbol after the first few generations though. You might end up in a situation where they don't actually want to leave the ship when they get there. They'll have forgotten exactly why they are there in the first place.
You've been reading too much science fiction/fantasy. :)
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
With enough resources we can actually make it in even less than 50,000 years. The problem isn't technological, we have the technology.
No.
Nowhere close.
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To make a long story short, I don't take any responsibility for anything I post here. It's not news, it's not truth, it's not serious. It's parody. It's satire. It's bitter. It's angsty. Your mother's a *****. You like to jack off dogs. That's right, you heard me. You like to grab that dog by the bone and rub it like a ski pole. Your dad? Gay. Your priest? Straight. **** off and let me post. It's not true, it's all in good fun. Now go away.
This planet is 120,509,246,000,000 miles away. Current speed record (in space) is approx 150000 miles/hr using a slingshot maneuver. At that speed it would take 91725 years to get there. The speed record isn't a limit. There is no technological reason we can't go faster than that, it's just very very expensive to build something that will. Ion propulsion will take us faster than that with with a strong enough power source (like a nuclear reactor). 50000 years is well within our capabilities.
Yodabunny wrote:
This planet is 120,509,246,000,000 miles away. Current speed record (in space) is approx 150000 miles/hr using a slingshot maneuver. At that speed it would take 91725 years to get there. The speed record isn't a limit. There is no technological reason we can't go faster than that, it's just very very expensive to build something that will. Ion propulsion will take us faster than that with with a strong enough power source (like a nuclear reactor). 50000 years is well within our capabilities.
I'm pretty sure that "There's no reason why we couldn't" doesn't so much translate to "we can do this now"...thought it's a nice thought.
Nexa
“It has always been the prerogative of children and half-wits to point out that the emperor has no clothes. But a half-wit remains a half-wit, and the emperor remains an emperor.â€
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
― Neil Gaiman, The Sandman, Vol. 9: The Kindly Ones
Yes, but where will we get the Dilithtium crystals required?
You seem a wee bit out of touch.
You seem a wee bit out of touch.
On a related note, my father was friends with the guy who wrote "Blue Ice Pilot". Cryogenic freezing and space passenger transport stuff.
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Nexa wrote:
Yodabunny wrote:
This planet is 120,509,246,000,000 miles away. Current speed record (in space) is approx 150000 miles/hr using a slingshot maneuver. At that speed it would take 91725 years to get there. The speed record isn't a limit. There is no technological reason we can't go faster than that, it's just very very expensive to build something that will. Ion propulsion will take us faster than that with with a strong enough power source (like a nuclear reactor). 50000 years is well within our capabilities.
I'm pretty sure that "There's no reason why we couldn't" doesn't so much translate to "we can do this now"...thought it's a nice thought.
Nexa
Ok, fair enough. We'd have to build it. Which would take a very long time because we'd have to build the infrastructure to support the construction, but it wouldn't require any technology that we haven't already researched and tested to make it work. We're technically quite capable of doing it. The only thing that would stop us is politics/money/the actual will to do it.
Except the fact we have nothing proven or estimated for being reliable for lol50,000 years. I acknowledge the fact that virtually everything on earth we can tke into space and be very self sufficient but hoping for a 50,000 year safety award streak isn't possible.
And we don't have a great idea of deep space conditions either.
And we don't have a great idea of deep space conditions either.
Well... as far as sending an unmanned probe there, if you could keep it going at 1.6G acceleration the whole time (so ~15.68m/s^2 until you start running into relativistic effects ******** up the acceleration figure) you'd have it there in a little over 21 years.
I wouldn't put it out of the question to see an unmanned probe do a round trip to collect about 7-8 years' worth of information... and have the probe returning shortly into the 22nd Century.
(Assuming that [1] JPL does the calculations right in the software, [2] we can launch a probe that's that goddamn heavy [you want even an ion drive that's doing a consistent 1.6G acceleration, you're talking a lot of propellant - as in, the "smart" part of the ship that we get back is maybe 0.1%, if that, of the launch mass], and [3] we don't find a means for FTL drives before then.)
[Edit: oh yeah, link to the calculator I used would be a good idea. http://www.cthreepo.com/cp_html/math1.htm and scroll down to "Long Relativistic Journeys".]
Edited, Apr 26th 2007 6:02pm by MDenham
I wouldn't put it out of the question to see an unmanned probe do a round trip to collect about 7-8 years' worth of information... and have the probe returning shortly into the 22nd Century.
(Assuming that [1] JPL does the calculations right in the software, [2] we can launch a probe that's that goddamn heavy [you want even an ion drive that's doing a consistent 1.6G acceleration, you're talking a lot of propellant - as in, the "smart" part of the ship that we get back is maybe 0.1%, if that, of the launch mass], and [3] we don't find a means for FTL drives before then.)
[Edit: oh yeah, link to the calculator I used would be a good idea. http://www.cthreepo.com/cp_html/math1.htm and scroll down to "Long Relativistic Journeys".]
Edited, Apr 26th 2007 6:02pm by MDenham
But then some *** at NASA uses the wrong unit of measurement and the probe slams into the planet going at near light speed. Opps! Fire that guy! Can't, he's dead.
I am extremely skeptical of this planet. The scientific community is lauding this planet habitable based almost solely on temperature when there is a large number of things that go into a habitable planet.
This link pretty much sums up how extremely rare, and fortunate a planet like Earth is, regardless of it being a wiki source.
This link pretty much sums up how extremely rare, and fortunate a planet like Earth is, regardless of it being a wiki source.
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