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#1 Apr 24 2007 at 7:54 PM Rating: Good
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BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.

Clearly the liberal administration was silencing him for promoting the right to bear arms.

#2 Apr 24 2007 at 7:58 PM Rating: Good
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Actually, I just watched about 2 minutes of his youtube video. While I agree based solely on the short article that he was fired unfairly, man he is the biggest whiner I've ever heard. Smiley: laugh

#3 Apr 24 2007 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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#4 Apr 24 2007 at 8:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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Sounds to me like somebody was unhappy with their grade, so they decided to get some payback by telling Big Brother that they were offended.
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#5 Apr 25 2007 at 1:34 PM Rating: Decent
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[quote]Professor fired over Va. Tech discussion

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."


Bolded the relevent parts. I haven't found a statement from the college yet, so I'm going to assume that this guy decided on his own that he was going to take a break from teaching accounting, and decided to teach Democratic talking points.
#6 Apr 25 2007 at 1:39 PM Rating: Good
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[quote]Professor fired over Va. Tech discussion

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."


Bolded the relevent parts. I haven't found a statement from the college yet, so I'm going to assume that this guy decided on his own that he was going to take a break from teaching accounting, and decided to teach Democratic talking points.


You're a fUcking dumbShit, you know that? Take a look at the last sentence of the article you quoted:

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The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language.


That's the relevant part, you stupid little cUnt. I don't see where he used discriminatory or obscene language, but apparently that's how they're justifying his termination, not because the focus of the class turned to current events rather than accounting. I'm seriously sick of you; you're too fUcking dumb to post here. Get the fUck out.
#7 Apr 25 2007 at 1:55 PM Rating: Decent
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So, I'm guessing you were in the classroom, and know for a fact that no obscene/offensive language was used? Then shut the fUck up and look at the facts, because there is more to the story:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/04/23/fired_emmanuel_college_professor_fights_back/

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After class, students and parents contacted officials at the Catholic liberal arts school in Boston, which released a statement Friday saying the school prohibits "any behavior or action which makes light of or mimics the terrible tragedy at Virginia Tech."


He earned his dismissal.
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After class, students and parents contacted officials at the Catholic liberal arts school in Boston, which released a statement Friday saying the school prohibits "any behavior or action which makes light of or mimics the terrible tragedy at Virginia Tech."
He did his little presentation on Wednesday. Your argument is that he earned his dismissal by violating a statement which would be made two days in the future?

Fuckin' non-space-&-time-travelin' teachers...
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#9 Apr 25 2007 at 2:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Damn right, hippy.

Based on a bit of an assumption, I'm guessing that the school issued a statement that teachers were allowed to talk about it, but not reenact it.
#10 Apr 25 2007 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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So, I'm guessing you were in the classroom, and know for a fact that no obscene/offensive language was used? Then shut the fUck up and look at the facts, because there is more to the story:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/articles/2007/04/23/fired_emmanuel_college_professor_fights_back/

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After class, students and parents contacted officials at the Catholic liberal arts school in Boston, which released a statement Friday saying the school prohibits "any behavior or action which makes light of or mimics the terrible tragedy at Virginia Tech."


He earned his dismissal.


This is what I mean by you're too fUcking dumb to post here. See how in your last post you inferred he was fired for teaching Democratic talking points instead of accounting? Well, given a moderately functional brain you might've noticed the decription given of what occurred in the classroom:

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Afterward , "I walked among them, [aiming a marker at students] and went 'bang' five or six times," Winset said in the telephone interview. He then held up his hands, signaling to a student he had prepped before class, to draw his own marker and point it at Winset, "at which point, I went down," Winset said.

"Why did I stop?" Winset asked his 23 undergraduate students , before someone replied that the "gunman" was shot.

"So guns maybe aren't all bad," Winset told the group.


Yep, that sounds like a real liberal talking point right there, doesn't it you fUcking Shit-brain? Now, if you want to say that he earned his dismissal by crossing some imaginary line in the theoretical sand of what is and isn't allowable discussion in an instituion of higher learning, then go for it. But you probably should have said that first, instead of trying to throw a politicial angle on what is nothing more than an overly reactionist school administration, and thereby making yourself look like just the defective I originally called you.

#11 Apr 25 2007 at 2:15 PM Rating: Decent
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I fired that out there without all the facts in front of me. Now that more facts are available, I retract the political statement.
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Yep, that sounds like a real liberal talking point right there
I found it profoundly ironic that the guy who was most gung-ho about having weapons in school was defending a school for firing a guy for advocating having guns in school.

Personally, I still think that students carrying guns is a clusterfuck waiting to happen, but I can't advocate firing this teacher for expressing that view.
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#13 Apr 25 2007 at 2:38 PM Rating: Good
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Yep, that sounds like a real liberal talking point right there
I found it profoundly ironic that the guy who was most gung-ho about having weapons in school was defending a school for firing a guy for advocating having guns in school.


S'what I'm sayin', in his rush to carry a party-line his contradictory statements just rub me the wrong way. I was going to demand he retract his endorsement of the teacher's firing completely, since he obviously should be outraged, but I didn't want to be mean.

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Personally, I still think that students carrying guns is a clusterfuck waiting to happen, but I can't advocate firing this teacher for expressing that view.


I agree. I think it's a lot more important that professors have the freedom to challenge their students mentally rather than neutering them with this sort of censorship just to protect feelings. Although, I s'pose if students stopped getting their feelings hurt we'd have less school-shootings. Gosh, my view on this story may be totally opposite to what I've been saying...

Nah, I'm not a total fUcking ******. That was another dig at you, Mestaphucles.
#14 Apr 25 2007 at 2:43 PM Rating: Decent
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Yes you are, but I love you anyway.

I have retracted my statements, now that more facts are available, however, he violated the school's policy, that's why he was Shitcanned. I should be outraged about that? I don't think so. In any line of work, you violate the policy of your company, you get disciplined.

Was the action harsh? Maybe, but without more facts to clarify other actions by this teacher, or the total number of complaints filed, none of us can say. Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't.
#15 Apr 25 2007 at 2:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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You mean the one that didn't exist at the time of his firing?
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#16 Apr 25 2007 at 2:56 PM Rating: Decent
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Was the action harsh? Maybe, but without more facts to clarify other actions by this teacher, or the total number of complaints filed, none of us can say.


Unless the new facts that emerge reveal that the invisible gun was in fact real, it seems quite obvious his sacking is just a hysterical reaction to the shootings. Had this happened a month ago, he would still have a job.

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#17 Apr 25 2007 at 2:57 PM Rating: Good
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however, he violated the school's policy, that's why he was sh*tcanned.


You mean the one that didn't exist at the time of his firing?


See? This is exactly the sort of thing I'm talking about with Metastaphucules. More often than not he posts some ill-informed nonsense, and then the thread just turns into everyone pointing out his flaws until he finally just gives in and the whole thing becomes like some Shitty parable, with ol' Mestikalphooze learning some grand lesson.

But he never really learns the lessons, and I'm tired of it. This isn't healthy Misterphoogle, for any of us, so please, just leave.
#18 Apr 25 2007 at 3:19 PM Rating: Good
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The school's HR Department has an obligation to clearly state its policies in writing, so unless they issued the request for debate on the subject with a clear warning that any sort of reenactment was prohibited, they're on the wrong side of this. I imagine that if this weren't the kind of thing they worried would damage their PR, they would consider what it could do to their wallet.

Then again adjunct professors are at the bottom of the academic food chain, so maybe they were just looking for an excuse to can this whiny cnut.
#19 Apr 25 2007 at 3:26 PM Rating: Good
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Professor fired over Va. Tech discussion

BOSTON - An adjunct professor was fired after leading a classroom discussion about the Virginia Tech shootings in which he pointed a marker at some students and said "pow."

The five-minute demonstration at Emmanuel College on Wednesday, two days after a student killed 32 people on the Virginia Tech campus, included a discussion of gun control, whether to respond to violence with violence, and the public's "celebration of victimhood," said the professor, Nicholas Winset.

During the demonstration, Winset pretended to shoot some students. Then one student pretended to shoot Winset to illustrate his point that the gunman might have been stopped had another student or faculty member been armed.

"A classroom is supposed to be a place for academic exploration," Winset, who taught financial accounting, told the Boston Herald.

He said administrators had asked the faculty to engage students on the issue. But on Friday, he got a letter saying he was fired and ordering him to stay off campus.

Winset, 37, argued that the Catholic liberal arts school was stifling free discussion by firing him, and he said the move would have a "chilling effect" on open debate. He posted an 18-minute video on the online site YouTube defending his action.

The college issued a statement saying: "Emmanuel College has clear standards of classroom and campus conduct, and does not in any way condone the use of discriminatory or obscene language."

Student Junny Lee, 19, told The Boston Globe that most students didn't appear to find Winset's demonstration offensive.

Clearly the liberal administration was silencing him for promoting the right to bear arms.


psst Metastophicleas, here's another part you misssed .
#20 Apr 25 2007 at 4:04 PM Rating: Decent
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That's right, "HE SAID". If you're playing an MMORPG (I know, that's a leap), and a friend of yours says they were banned for using h4x...do you believe them, or the company that banned them? Most people with common sense will believe that the person cheated their *** off and just got caught. But THEY SAID they didn't do it, so THEY must be right, right?

Please people, you're missing the facts. Until someone can prove that the school issued the order to begin with, and that they didn't specify the violation in question, nor was there any offensive language, you're opinion is based on incorrect information.

The only real problem that I have with this story, is that the school hasn't furnished anything other than the statements found so far, which lends some credibility, no matter how thin, to this idiot professor. They don't really need to, but I'd love to have something other than newspaper articles, and short statements. Oddly enough, he doesn't have anything to back up his story either, so it becomes a game of "he said, she said". In this case, I'm going to go with the school, mostly because all I've seen for evidence that people were't offended, is the same girl, claiming that "most" students weren't offended.

I don't really give a flying rats *** what most of you think, however, I do care about the facts, which most of you are sorely lacking in to argue against his firing.

At least I can admit that my initial belief on the issue was off, slightly, but I think I'm far closer to being right on now.
#21 Apr 25 2007 at 4:14 PM Rating: Good
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I don't really give a flying rats *** what most of you think, however, I do care about the facts, which most of you are sorely lacking in to argue against his firing.

At least I can admit that my initial belief on the issue was off, slightly, but I think I'm far closer to being right on now.


I mean it, you're a tool. You know, the only way we know that he went around shooting students with his marker in an attempt to spark a discussion on the benfits of students packing heat is because he said that's what happened.

In light of this, it certainly cannot be taken as fact, therefore you might want to rethink your entire line of reasoning in this thread, and return to your original theory that he was feeding the impressionable kiddos some liberal agenda.

Look, Corky, the rest of us are discussing this topic based upon the article, not some assumptions born out of the black hole you call a brain. The only facts we have to go on are that the man was fired, and you are an cUnt.
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