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#27 Apr 19 2007 at 5:48 PM Rating: Good
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There was nothing remotely dangerous about broadcasting the things they chose to broadcast. It's not like it was news about the war or the word "sh*t" or something dangerous to people.


Really? Tell that to the half dozen schools that have already recieved credible threats and had to close down over this Smash.

Those people that issued the threats sure did film and mail their manifestos in quickly.


Pretty scary stuff.



Edited, Apr 19th 2007 8:49pm by trickybeck
#28 Apr 19 2007 at 5:50 PM Rating: Good
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Amazing how everyone's a criminal pathologist. I'm sure you watched it with rapt attention the first time you saw it though, eh?


funny assumptions can bite you in the *** more often than not. Actually I haven't sat down to watch it, or view much of it on the net. Yet you can't help but get bombarded no matter where you turn.

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No, we haven't. We've seen people overreact in preposterous fashion to people *SAYING THINGS* that a week ago they'd have laughed about. Because people are morons, and associate things based on what happened most recently as opposed to the actual risk.


right, so in the influx of bomb threats all over the country to universities and high schools just coincidentally seemed to happen right after VT? Gimme a break, Smash. Even I have higher hopes for your intelligence.
#29 Apr 19 2007 at 5:53 PM Rating: Good
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Again, I don't see how phoning in bomb threats is a result of airing the videotape.

If they actually bombed a school AND mailed in a tape, then you'd have something.



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#30 Apr 19 2007 at 6:02 PM Rating: Decent
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Again, I don't see how phoning in bomb threats is a result of airing the videotape.


Honestly, that's a lack of imagination on your part. They are directly related. There are lots of people in similarly unstable state as Cho was. It only take a few of them to see the fame he recieved and realize that they can get that level of fame as well.

Don't underestimate the motives of the people who do this sort of thing. They want the world to know something. Something they believe they can only get across via a violent and public act. Putting this guy's video on the air was likely the most irresponsible thing I've ever seen news organization do.

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If they actually bombed a school AND mailed in a tape, then you'd have something.


And you're willing to let another 30 college students die to test your theory?

I hope to god you're right. I really do.
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#31 Apr 19 2007 at 6:10 PM Rating: Good
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gbaji wrote:
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Again, I don't see how phoning in bomb threats is a result of airing the videotape.


Honestly, that's a lack of imagination on your part. They are directly related. There are lots of people in similarly unstable state as Cho was. It only take a few of them to see the fame he recieved and realize that they can get that level of fame as well.

Then why issue a threat, which only results in (a) the school closing and/or (b) your arrest.

A threat isn't related at all. What you call "imagination" is your crusade of finding things to write the words "scary stuff, IMO" about.


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If they actually bombed a school AND mailed in a tape, then you'd have something.


And you're willing to let another 30 college students die to test your theory?

I hope to god you're right. I really do.

So my opinion is just a "theory," but yours is what's certainly going to happen.



(And you're willing to let the Earth's climate shift catastrophically to test your theory about global warming? I hope to god you're right. I really do.)

#32 Apr 19 2007 at 6:11 PM Rating: Decent
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Sorry, would love to respond in depth to this thread, but I'm busy writing my manifesto.

Um... if I don't post again... ever, well, its been cool.

Gotta go.
#33 Apr 19 2007 at 6:13 PM Rating: Decent
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I want to know why Cho, chose to speak like Napoleon Dynamite in his video manifesto ensemble.
#34 Apr 19 2007 at 6:36 PM Rating: Good
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Tricky. It's the first day after the video was aired. Obviously, the folks acting out right now are those who are just figuring they can scare people with a threat and a prank.

The ones who are quietly sitting at home assembling their manifesto and planning their attacks wont start to act (if they do) for a few days at the earliest, and possibly not for a few weeks.


Regardless of immediacy, I just think that it's common sense that if the news rewards someone like Cho by airing his ramblings on national TV, it's going to increase the likelyhood that someone else will do the same thing for the same reasons. It's such a no-brainer that I'm kinda surprised that anyone is even bothering to argue against it.

It certainly wont reduce the number. It can only increase it because it glorifies the guy who did the attack. It gives him the very medium he wanted to express his deranged views. Why on earth would anyone not see that this will encourage others to do the same?
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#35 Apr 19 2007 at 6:41 PM Rating: Good
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Again, I don't see how phoning in bomb threats is a result of airing the videotape.


because people who may have psychological issues and have thought of the idea prior now see this guy who has actually done it, and see how much attention he is getting. It doesnt matter if its positive or negative attention. The fact is, we're paying more attention to what the killer said/did/wrote than we are the victims.

If your looking for similarities in the people who have pulled off school shootings a common factor is that the killers tend to be loners, social outcasts. In the end, what they achieved was infamy. To someone who is notmentally stable to begin with, thinking of trying out whats been done, they're not going to care what attention they recieve so long as they get attention period.


I cant believe Im siding with Gbaji on this one, but I would rather take every bomb/killing spree threat as a potentially serious threat than to see another VT happen, just because we assumed it was someone only saying something. If it takes inconvenience to keep people alive, than inconvenience me.
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I don't see a problem with airing it for the sake of informing the people. However, it seems they've played it repeatedly ad nauseum and beat the damn thing to death. Of course they do that with just about everything, so no one should be suprised.

From everything I've heard there really isn't much point to the video except to see some dumbass nutjob ranting and raving about how much he hates everyone. I couldn't say, as I haven't bothered watching it.
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#37 Apr 19 2007 at 6:44 PM Rating: Good
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The ones who are quietly sitting at home assembling their manifesto and planning their attacks wont start to act (if they do) for a few days at the earliest, and possibly not for a few weeks.


or years. The killer of VT brought up the killers of Columbine, saying he was just like them. There was a lot of media coverage on those two as well. Who is to say that the ramifications will be immediate? It doesnt have to be for the damage to have been done. All it takes is one mentally sick mind and a motive, no matter how skewed it might be. If they see how much attention the killer of VT got, its just another incentive.

I mean really, would any of us have actually read the guys plays if it wasnt splashed all over the media outlets? No. But we all know Richard McBeef now.
#38 Apr 19 2007 at 8:45 PM Rating: Good
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Tricky. It's the first day after the video was aired. Obviously, the folks acting out right now are those who are just figuring they can scare people with a threat and a prank.

I'm glad you finally agree.

The question then becomes, why did you use that as evidence in your earlier argument?

Were you lying then, or are you lying now?




Edited, Apr 19th 2007 11:50pm by trickybeck
#39 Apr 19 2007 at 8:46 PM Rating: Good
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or years. The killer of VT brought up the killers of Columbine, saying he was just like them. There was a lot of media coverage on those two as well. Who is to say that the ramifications will be immediate?

Oh good, I'm glad you agree also.

#40 Apr 19 2007 at 11:45 PM Rating: Good
Am I the only one who got the idea that they should add Psych Evaluations to gun Background checks outta this?

Ya?

It's hard having ideas that others don't find common sense.
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#41 Apr 20 2007 at 12:31 AM Rating: Decent
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If it takes inconvenience to keep people alive, than inconvenience me.


Im still baffled that people give any freedom up so easily when blackmailed with fear.
I guesstimate that 0.0000000001 % of all the bomb threats are legit, something happens and theyre all taken super seriously (again)?
And how is are bomb threats in relation with a shooting?

Ill bet youll be swearing again in a month or two when the local shopping mall gets closed on youre shopping day bc of a "stupid" bomb threat.

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add Psych Evaluations to gun Background checks outta this?


Passing standardized Psych evaluations is cake even for a half wit.

"you see a sick and abandoned puppy on the street what do you do?

a) help the puppy in any way you can.
b) eat the puppy with a sidedish of babys.
c) you kick the puppy to tenderize it then eat it with a sidedish of babies."

I havent done a psych evaluation test that wasnt an insult to my intelligence.

Edited, Apr 20th 2007 5:07am by Sjans
#42 Apr 20 2007 at 1:09 AM Rating: Decent
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What is this talk of a liberal media? All conglomerates are in the business of making money so they're gonna show so they're gonna show stories that people are looking for and they're gonna show them the longest. There will always be a ridiculous filter on the major news channels because most people can't handle knowing about more than two or three current events in a week.

As for the bias put on those stories I find it depends on who is talking. Now of course everything is going to appear with a liberal slant if you're watching Rupert Murdoch Television or reading the Rupert Murdoch newspaper.
#43 Apr 20 2007 at 2:15 AM Rating: Good
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Now of course everything is going to appear with a liberal slant if you're watching Rupert Murdoch Television or reading the Rupert Murdoch newspaper.


We must have two completely different interpurtations of what "liberal" means.
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#44 Apr 20 2007 at 3:53 AM Rating: Decent
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The basic meanings of Liberal and Conservative are simple.

(Conserve)ative is to prevent change.

Liberal is to favor change or progress.

At least those are the meanings they should hold. Now if you believe that most things don't look liberal when standing next to Rupert Murdoch you might want to call and tell him that because he might disagree with you.

As for straight up new reporting Fox News is about the same as the others (Showing John Kerry calling people in the military idiots 80% of the air time for 3 days straight was a little odd though) It's when those 'debate' shows come on and Bill Oreilly and w/e the nonFox counterparts are is when you see a definite bias.

He's an idea though. All those channels are right next to each other so change back and forth!

Edited, Apr 20th 2007 4:59am by Lefian
#45 Apr 20 2007 at 3:57 AM Rating: Good
Ruport Murdoch is a conservative, you ignorant twat.
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#46 Apr 20 2007 at 4:01 AM Rating: Decent
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Then you would agree that newscorp has a conservative bias?
#47 Apr 20 2007 at 5:14 AM Rating: Good
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If it takes inconvenience to keep people alive, than inconvenience me.


Im still baffled that people give any freedom up so easily when blackmailed with fear.
I guesstimate that 0.0000000001 % of all the bomb threats are legit, something happens and theyre all taken super seriously (again)?
And how is are bomb threats in relation with a shooting?

Ill bet youll be swearing again in a month or two when the local shopping mall gets closed on youre shopping day bc of a "stupid" bomb threat.

[quote]add Psych Evaluations to gun Background checks outta this?


How is playing it safe when the area you are at has received a threat giving up freedom? While the number of actual bombings/shootings, etc may be smaller than the amount of threats, how are you to know which one is real and which is just someone trying to get attention? Your life may not amount to enough that you're willing to take a gamble on such a thing. Personally, my life is more worthwhile. I want to keep it as long as I can.



#48 Apr 20 2007 at 5:35 AM Rating: Decent
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There are billions of people in the world. Some of them are defective. They'll shoot up a school, a bar or a house. These defective people are also highly motivated and will find a way to shoot up a place if there is a way and there is nothing short of ******** over a whole lot of people to fix it. Shootings like these are not a big problem in the United States and therefore don't require drastic change to protect us from them.
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I don't normally post in here but... this happened at our local high school yesterday. In Central Ontario and the paper I pulled it from is in Edmonton. Apparently, it's already spreading panic.


Not a result of the shootings neccessarily. Same thing happened last month. Kid got charged for writing threatening messages on the bathroom walls.

Putting that on the air could lead others to do it. It's not neccessarily likely but it could happen. That being said people are being WAY to paranoid. I bet they have more security at VT right now. Why? It's an irrational response. The event already occurred, but they'll have more security there just incase someone else decides to try it (you know, cause that's a likely scenario).

Now everyone looks at everything and assumes it's becuase of VT, but bomb threats etc are actually very common. You just don't hear about them until something like this happens and they suddenly become news.
#50 Apr 20 2007 at 6:20 AM Rating: Decent
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How is playing it safe when the area you are at has received a threat giving up freedom?


Youre listening and obeying an idiot in the name of fear. In this case limiting youre freedom to go any place you want.

Bombings will still happen, a bomb threat is so hollow since so many are pranks and many actual bombings arent being pre-announced.
I think if there really is acted on every single bomb threat by closing stuff down the economy would grind to a halt, but after recent events its "trendy" again.

Imo, freedom is more important then life, if youre being blackmailed by fear how can you ever be happy?
But i dont know what im talking about since im a pampered westerner. My lack of / denial of, real fear did get me in trouble enough times, but nothing world altering.

I tried to keep it generic bc of the "this how it starts", "need another patriot act???" value.

Edited, Apr 20th 2007 10:30am by Sjans
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It was within NBC's rights to show it. I still think that they should have made the editorial decision not to show it. It serves the public no real use except to titillate with gossip while providing validation to the killer's actions in that he got his stuff published.

I don't think it'll create a rise in mass-killings or whatever, just that it was a poor journalistic decision. And, yes, I know all the usual "they're just in it for money!!" lines -- it doesn't mean I agree with it even if I understand it.
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