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#1 Apr 19 2007 at 6:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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Believe it or not -- not a teacher/student scandal!!

A week or so ago, some families in a Chicago suburb and the media received DVDs in the mail. On the two hour long DVDs was hidden camera footage of a local elementry school principal (married) and a teacher having sex in the principal's office during school hours. There was apparently also a teacher's aide on the tapes but I don't know if they were separate incidents or what. No one sends me good junk mail.

So, anyway, the principal and teacher resigned, the aide quit and some parents are calling for the school board to formally fire the pair rather than allow them to resign. In fact, in a board election a few days ago, the three members up for re-election all lost their posts. The footage was apparently taken months ago and was only released in the run-up to the election.

The police don't know who hid the camera in the principal's office and it seems that Illinois law only covers audio surveillance, not video and the only laws prohibiting video surveillance apply to hotels, restrooms, changing rooms, tanning booths and the private homes of others. Even if they found the guy, the most they could probably nab him with would be trespassing.

So, what would your reaction be to such a DVD, assuming that you had a child in that school? I've got to say, I don't know if I'd really care that much. This is keeping in mind that there's absolutely no evidence (or even allegations) that any students were aware or affected by the events. I'd support disciplinary action of some sort same as if you were having sex in any office environment but I don't think I'd call for them to be fired. The whole seedy "filming the act" angle makes me more at unease than the act itself -- I'd feel as if I was playing into the hands of some slimeball who filmed this and then saved it before mailing it to community. This wasn't someone who thought the principal was wrong but someone with some major issues and who wanted to seriously hurt the parties involved. Creepy.
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#2 Apr 19 2007 at 6:44 AM Rating: Good
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I'm with you, I see no reason to fire them as it didn't seem to affect any kids.

Curious as to why there are parents calling for them to be fired instead of letting them resign. Will they lose out on something by being fired as opposed to letting them resign?
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#3 Apr 19 2007 at 6:49 AM Rating: Excellent
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Once again...
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Was that wrong? Should I not have done that? I tell you, I gotta plead ignorence on this thing, because if anyone had said anything to me at all when I first started here that that sort of thing is frowned upon . . . you know, cause I've worked in a lot of offices, and I tell you, people do that all the time.


The two involved should be disciplined and in the case of having sex in a school office during school hours I personally feel that the discipline should be firing. If it was after hours, that might be different (just the same as coworkers having sex in an office after hours as opposed to while you're being paid to be there and working). Poor judgement to the nth degree.

The whole thing about it being taped is super creepy and I admit that I haven't really read much about the case, but were the two involved cheating on spouses or something? It sounds like a suspicious spouse thing to do to find out, but then after confirming the situation, they decided to get revenge by widespread humiliation. Maybe not though.

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#4 Apr 19 2007 at 6:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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Overlord Uglysasquatch wrote:
I'm with you, I see no reason to fire them as it didn't seem to affect any kids.

Curious as to why there are parents calling for them to be fired instead of letting them resign. Will they lose out on something by being fired as opposed to letting them resign?


At the least, being able to say that they left their last job voluntarily when interviewed. At most, there are varying rules regarding vacation time accrued and such.

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I believe that firing them will make it difficult for them to work again in education. Not that this scandal (for lack of a better term) is going to be anything for their résumés.
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#6 Apr 19 2007 at 6:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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Nexa wrote:
but were the two involved cheating on spouses or something?
The principal was married. I don't know about the ladies involved.

Still, you'd think a spouse wouldn't hold onto it for a couple months and release it for an election. It seemed like a calculated attempt at the entire school administration rather than just one person. Just my guesses though.
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#7 Apr 19 2007 at 6:53 AM Rating: Good
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I would think that most schools would call former employers when hiring a teacher/principal wouldn't they?

Vacation time accrued wouldn't matter whether being fired or resigning, either way they're owed that time.
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#8 Apr 19 2007 at 6:55 AM Rating: Decent
I think they should be made to have sex in front of the whole school.

Let's face it, it would certainly embarass them, and thereby teach them a lesson. What lesson? Well, the lesson that if you're gonna have sex in your office, as most of us do, make sure no one has hidden a secret camera there.

It would be great for the kids, since they'd get a practical demonstration of the dangers of sex, as well as its joys. Real Sex Ed For Real Students.

And it would be great for the parents, since they'd finally get the chance to see some action, hereby reducing the likelihood of future arguments.

All in all, I think some people are far too puritain about sex. As long as it didn't affect the kids, who cares? It relaxes both the teacher and the principal, which can only be good. It creates a good working relationship, well, until one of them gets dumped, at least.

And it's only sex.

May he who has never fUcked throw the first stone, or something.



Edited, Apr 19th 2007 2:56pm by RedPhoenixxx
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#9 Apr 19 2007 at 7:00 AM Rating: Decent
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Unless it was during school hours, firing seems a bit extreme, assuming this was an isolated issue. For all we know, the principal was on the chopping block already, and this could have been the last straw. I probably would have let them resign though. I really can't blame someone for wanting to have sex in their office.
#10 Apr 19 2007 at 7:01 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't have an issue with them being fired, especially if it occurred during school hours. You get cocky, you take a chance, you face the music. As for the taping, it does seem like the community played into the hands of whoever taped it, but it was a very saavy way to go about it, if not morally admirable.
#11 Apr 19 2007 at 7:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Nexa wrote:
At the least, being able to say that they left their last job voluntarily when interviewed.


Unfortunately the state of education is such that whether you have a ding on your record or not will not make much of a difference in the interview process. This does not go for anywhere but my wife's school district (fairly large) is considering starting back ground checks. Out of a district with 10,000+ employees how many do you think are felons? I would wager quite a few.

Of course each state varies and each situation does as well, but most states need teachers/administration so badly they are willing to hire anyone, as long as they are certified or can get a temporary certification.
#12 Apr 19 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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Overlord Uglysasquatch wrote:
I would think that most schools would call former employers when hiring a teacher/principal wouldn't they?


It is an increasingly popular policy nowadays to do nothing more than confirm dates of employment when called regarding a previous employee. Potential employees are at liberty to list professional references however they choose.

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#13 Apr 19 2007 at 7:05 AM Rating: Decent
I'm not familiar with labor laws in IL but being right across the river in Iowa, if they resign, the can't get Unemployment. But if they're fired... well, the can claim for it...
#14 Apr 19 2007 at 7:08 AM Rating: Decent
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Nexa wrote:
At the least, being able to say that they left their last job voluntarily when interviewed.


Unfortunately the state of education is such that whether you have a ding on your record or not will not make much of a difference in the interview process. This does not go for anywhere but my wife's school district (fairly large) is considering starting back ground checks. Out of a district with 10,000+ employees how many do you think are felons? I would wager quite a few.

Of course each state varies and each situation does as well, but most states need teachers/administration so badly they are willing to hire anyone, as long as they are certified or can get a temporary certification.


The problem with background checks is I don't give a **** if my kids 2nd teacher got nailed for possesion of pot or a little B+E when s/he was 17 or 18.

Because when background checks get involved they fire/no hire for everything. Not the stuff that matters, like parole violations from a murder rap or something.
#15 Apr 19 2007 at 7:10 AM Rating: Good
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Kronig wrote:
Nexa wrote:
At the least, being able to say that they left their last job voluntarily when interviewed.


Unfortunately the state of education is such that whether you have a ding on your record or not will not make much of a difference in the interview process. This does not go for anywhere but my wife's school district (fairly large) is considering starting back ground checks. Out of a district with 10,000+ employees how many do you think are felons? I would wager quite a few.

Of course each state varies and each situation does as well, but most states need teachers/administration so badly they are willing to hire anyone, as long as they are certified or can get a temporary certification.


The problem with background checks is I don't give a sh*t if my kids 2nd teacher got nailed for possesion of pot or a little B+E when s/he was 17 or 18.

Because when background checks get involved they fire/no hire for everything. Not the stuff that matters, like parole violations from a murder rap or something.
Police reports are standard in Canada for jobs or volunteer positions involving children.
#16 Apr 19 2007 at 7:10 AM Rating: Excellent
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Kaelesh wrote:

The problem with background checks is I don't give a sh*t if my kids 2nd teacher got nailed for possesion of pot or a little B+E when s/he was 17 or 18.

Because when background checks get involved they fire/no hire for everything. Not the stuff that matters, like parole violations from a murder rap or something.


I agree whole-heartedly. Just as I don't think that these folks deserve to never get employed again. However, an appropriate response to someone using company property to have sex on company time is to fire them. Hopefully they'll make a better choice next time around.

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#17 Apr 19 2007 at 7:15 AM Rating: Good
Nexa wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:

The problem with background checks is I don't give a sh*t if my kids 2nd teacher got nailed for possesion of pot or a little B+E when s/he was 17 or 18.

Because when background checks get involved they fire/no hire for everything. Not the stuff that matters, like parole violations from a murder rap or something.


I agree whole-heartedly. Just as I don't think that these folks deserve to never get employed again. However, an appropriate response to someone using company property to have sex on company time is to fire them. Hopefully they'll make a better choice next time around.

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What if they were legitimately on break? Smiley: confused
#18 Apr 19 2007 at 7:16 AM Rating: Good
I saw a little snippet of the video on the news last night. Couple of fatties; I certainly wouldn't want to watch them hump. Therefore, I say fire 'em.

Also, I don't want people who demonstrate this lack of creativity being in charge of expanding young minds. I mean, the principal's office? How boring, who hasn't fUcked there? Didn't this school have a boiler room? I'd bet there's a set of underutilized monkey-bars out on that playground. We need fresh thinkers in our schools, and these folks just don't have the innovation to inspire kids to think outside the box.
#19 Apr 19 2007 at 7:17 AM Rating: Excellent
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Elderon wrote:
Nexa wrote:

I agree whole-heartedly. Just as I don't think that these folks deserve to never get employed again. However, an appropriate response to someone using company property to have sex on company time is to fire them. Hopefully they'll make a better choice next time around.

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What if they were legitimately on break? Smiley: confused


Then they should have found a nice pay-by-the-hour hotel...preferably one that doesn't video tape (as if those exist).

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#20 Apr 19 2007 at 7:17 AM Rating: Decent
Nexa wrote:
Kaelesh wrote:

The problem with background checks is I don't give a sh*t if my kids 2nd teacher got nailed for possesion of pot or a little B+E when s/he was 17 or 18.

Because when background checks get involved they fire/no hire for everything. Not the stuff that matters, like parole violations from a murder rap or something.


I agree whole-heartedly. Just as I don't think that these folks deserve to never get employed again. However, an appropriate response to someone using company property to have sex on company time is to fire them. Hopefully they'll make a better choice next time around.

Nexa


Yea, like ******** on their lunch breaks, in the parking ramp, like the rest of us civilized people.

Eldy wrote:
Police reports are standard in Canada for jobs or volunteer positions involving children.


I assume Police Reports and Background Checks are the same thing. What determines your eligibility? For instance, can you have a possession charge and still be a teacher? Where's the line?


Edited, Apr 19th 2007 10:18am by Kaelesh
#21 Apr 19 2007 at 7:19 AM Rating: Excellent
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outside the box.


Gay.

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#22 Apr 19 2007 at 7:20 AM Rating: Good
Nexa wrote:
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
outside the box.


Gay.

Nexa


Hey, there's more than one way to skin a cat, you homophobe.
#23 Apr 19 2007 at 7:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
Nexa wrote:
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
outside the box.


Gay.

Nexa


Hey, there's more than one way to skin a cat, you homophobe.


bummer.

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#24 Apr 19 2007 at 7:22 AM Rating: Excellent
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For the record, had they been fired from the get-go, I wouldn't have blinked. I think that the extended calls to fire them posthumously (as it were) aren't really necessary.
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#25 Apr 19 2007 at 7:23 AM Rating: Excellent
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For the record, had they been fired from the get-go, I wouldn't have blinked. I think that the extended calls to fire them posthumously (as it were) aren't really necessary.


Agreed.

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#26 Apr 19 2007 at 7:27 AM Rating: Decent
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I think that the extended calls to fire them posthumously (as it were) aren't really necessary.


It's that Al Sharpton again, isn't it? What a trouble maker... Then again, being black, what can you expect?!



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