Shooting at Virginia TechFollow

But how on Earth do you expect Gbaji to post if that's the rule?

I ask why you did not address my statement that most gun crime in the US is committed by illegal guns and it is mainly criminal on criminal?


Address what? It's a meaningless statement. It means guns that were manufactured and purchased legally were later sold by the purchaser to criminals. This is somehow an argument for allowing people to continue to purchase guns to you??

Everyone knows how the 'illegal' gun market works. Bob drives to Georgia where he legally purchases 40 Tech 9s and then drives to the hood and sells them for a profit.

This is just the first thing that google pulled up. I'm just posting it because I don't care enough to really look into it, but you can.



Nexa

I always just assumed there was a back door with a hatch at the Smith & Wesson plant where you could give the secret knock, drop $50 in and a pistol would drop out, no questions asked.

You mean that's not the source for illegal firearms?

I stand corrected.

Your quoted statement does help my arguement that strong gun laws should be introduced by the Federal Government and not on a state to state basis. If the country had uniform laws, that would help stop thugs from buying guns in a state and selling them in another.

True. It would also help to only sell guns that are intended to be used to kill animals, and not exclusively to kill other people.

Nexa

1. In UK I can go and 'Bond' with a buddy at a gun range whenever I like. I just can't take the gun away from the range. If I don't plan to use it for it's main purpose (killing people to death), why do I need to 'own' or carry it?

2. Aside from the 90% of illegal gunz that started out legit, the ones that are stolen in B&E's are often used on the owner. Before we banninated handgun ownership over here in Englandland, most shootings involved the owner getting shot with his own weapon by a burglarist.

3. Like I say - it's too late for you now. Most of the "I need a gun coz teh bad guyz have 'em" brigade will not tolerate a stupid right being taken away, so gun laws become academic.

Plus I enjoy hearing the NRA guys telling US Moms that if they send their kiddyblinkies to Kindergarten with an Uzi 9MM wedged in their lunchboxes between the Sammich, Oreos and Banana, nuttin' bad can happen.

You're fUcked.

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Edited, Apr 18th 2007 4:10pm by Aadyn Litefoot

A lot of them come from black market dealers overseas as well. One thing you must remember is that half of the typical hoodrats trophy piece street sprayers aren't even American made..

Edited, Apr 18th 2007 8:16pm by Lefein

You get scared a lot I've noticed.


Also, you can't use "scary really" as part of your argument when the "scary" situation is a conspiracy theory that you yourself made up.




Part of me thinks gbaji is secretly planning to rape an entire class of 8 year old girls. Scary stuff, IMO.

How many of the social issues you would label as "problems we need to solve" do I have to show you were created and/or made worse by the very party you turn to for a solution before you start to see the pattern?


Dems support small businesses and oppose large corporations. Close to zero percent of small business employees recieve health benefits. Close to 100% of large corporations provide health benefits. Dems point to growing rate of workers without health insurance as part of their argument for socialized medicine.


Dems support the right to abortion. Dems support sex education in public schools. Dems support more availability of birth control. Rates of births to teens and unwed mothers skyrocket over 50 year period. Dems point at the increase in poverty and single mothers and argue for the need for more social programs to help them.


Dems support affirmative action programs in our education system. This increases the rate of minority students attending higher education, but decreases the quality of those students when compared with white and asian students (odly not considered a "minority" for this purpose). Dems then point to the gap in pay for college graduates as evidence that there's institutionalized racism in the workplace that must be fought with an expansion of affirmative action programs (and any other big government solutions they can dream up).


Dems point at poverty rates. They then adopt policies not aimed at helping people gain higher salaries and therefore become (not poor), but rather things like increasing minimunm wage and social programs in order to make the poor more comfortable. They do all this by taxing the very institutions that might have given some of those people jobs and opportunities. Povery rates go up as a result. Dems then point at those poverty rates as evidence that we need more of their programs.


Heck. Dems call the war in Iraq a "quagmire". They point at loses of American and Iraqi lives. They call for withdrawal since obviously the whole thing is failing despite the massive gains (yes at a cost of lives, but gains nonetheless). Iraqi's see calls for withdrawal. They realize that the US may leave before all the factions have joined the diplomatic process fully and that this will leave whichever factions have the biggest militia with the most power. They form their own militias. Violence breaks out between those faction militias. Casuality levels of both US and Iraqi's spike. Dems point to the increase in deaths as proof that they were right and call for withdrawals even faster. Death rate continues to rise...



Want me to go on? I could write a scenario like this for just about every single major social/political issue you'd care to come up with. The pattern of social liberalism is incredibly clear. In order to enact the actions it wants to do (empower the government to make everyone "equal" by their measurement), it must first make sure that the problems are so large that the only solution is a large government one. Thus the ideology results in taking small issues and making them into big ones. They make the problems *worse* so that they can convince the masses to adopt their solution instead of the one they should have followed in the first place.


This is mirrored in the private sector as well. Political activist groups tend to use the same tactics. They don't want to fix things like racial inequality, or immigration, or whatever the issue of the day is. They want to make sure those problems are so bad that "the people" will rise up, join them in their cause, and hand them whatever power they need to "fix things". I'm quite certain that when that day comes, "the people" wont really like the fix though...

As usual the discussion gets reduced to a 'Political' argument by Gobji.

I would say that the 'gun culture' you ladies have in the USA is a personal/moral issue. The politicians on both sides have their own personal agenda wich apears to have nothing to do with reducing gun ownership or ease thereof.

For some ridiculous reason the 'right to bear arms', has become a statement of an individuals politics. Never mind the consequences.

Jus because 200 hundred years ago, it was decided that Amehcuns should b a able to carry a gun , doesn't mean its relevant today. thats ridiculous.

Combine that belief (right to bear arms)from the lunatics like Varus who believe that it makes him more of a 'man' The divisive nature of western ultra consumerist society where its always someone elses 'fault'.T he glamourous portrayal of guns from Hollywood etc, real-time 'war-****' bought to you by the Whitehouse/pentagon and the media, and the hopeless pursuit of wealth and material 'stuff' and you seem to have got yourselves a situation where there are real pressures to be seen to be succesful, in an environment where that success is becoming harder to attain for more and more people, and more and more of those people who arn't coping with the 21st century very well have easy access to weapons that are nothing more than machines designed to kill efficiently.

The ownership of personal weapons is an issue that has more to do with 'fear'.
Fear of people who dont look like you, think like you or behave like you. The claims of taking back control of a situation are garbage.

It shouldn't be a political issue, it should be a personal and moral issue for the citizens of a country to be able to think about and decide for themselves.

Belief in perpetuating private gun (or landmine or grenade or death-ray) ownership for some percieved notion of 'defence' or 'right' on a nationwide scale, is a terrible admittance of having a society that is either very immature in the case of Varus, or totaly paranoid about its abilities to co-exist with itsself (like some others around here).




Now thats scary.