By their reasoning, the quickest way to eliminate violence would be to give every person in the world a hand grenade. After all, if EVERYONE had a hand grenade, no one would harm another person for fear of being killed by a grenade, right?
The logic is sound, sound I say!
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Same here for Blacksburg, but I have run into them in New York, Chicago, Richmond, Atlanta, and Jacksonville. Please tell me your point isn't that only smaller cities have racist groups.
You have? Literally?
Yes, actually. Long story, but here's the short version. I was in the army. Several people in my squad were from all over, two of them being former (at least they claimed so) KKK members. When visiting families of friends of those cities, the group of us (we always traveled together, to get off post and see the nation) were constantly running into KKK members, being invited to meetings (dear God), and even three rallies. The reason those cities were mentioned is because those were the ones that I personally visited. Everyone else was from Texas, and because of a deep loathing for the Cowboys, I refuse to set foor in that state.
The KKK is everywhere...just in most places they're smart enough to stay indoors.
Metastophicleas wrote:
Don't play the game of picking one sentence, and missing the point. I know you're smarter than that.
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Had just one person in the path of this guy been armed, he would likely have been stopped before more than 30 people were killed.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
It's likely that had more people been armed on campus, this kid wouldn't have gone on a rampage, and would rather have just saved the effort and shot himself first.
Since we've only got hindsight to go with here, my statement about one person being armed is correct: It likely would have saved lives. I have to admit that I'm only 50/50 on firearms on campus. Were they to be allowed, there should be strict regulation, balistics checks beforehand, and more.
Since we've only got hindsight to go with here, my statement about one person being armed is correct: It likely would have saved lives. I have to admit that I'm only 50/50 on firearms on campus. Were they to be allowed, there should be strict regulation, balistics checks beforehand, and more.
Metastophicleas wrote:
balistics checks beforehand, and more.
Beforehand? Before...what? Firing?
publiusvarus wrote:
we all know liberals are well adjusted american citizens who only want what's best for society. While conservatives are evil money grubbing scum who only want to sh*t on the little man and rob the world of its resources.
Oops, I delted the following out: "being allowed to bring it on campus".
Well that settles it, I'm finishing my degree on-line.
I barely read this thread, but am I right to assume it's actually being suggested that a well-armed student body would reduce shootings? Because if that's what you twats are recommending, it's the dumbest fUcking thing I've ever heard. Seriously, the dumbest fUcking thing, ever.
I barely read this thread, but am I right to assume it's actually being suggested that a well-armed student body would reduce shootings? Because if that's what you twats are recommending, it's the dumbest fUcking thing I've ever heard. Seriously, the dumbest fUcking thing, ever.
Metastophicleas wrote:
Atomicflea wrote:
Blacksburg, FYI, is redneck country. I'm sure many of the locals have guns, but it's a haven for potsmoking younguns that want to get far from mommy and daddy in DC but remain close enough to drive home to do their laundry and get cash. Most of these kids, most college kids, most people period, would be unprepared for this. It was a fluke. To try to say that gun control would have affected it one way or another is stupid and pointless.
I'm glad to know you've actually been to Blacksburg, rather than assume you know so much about it, having never been there. I hope you catch the sarcasm.
Blacksburg may not be the "city" that New York, or even Virginia Beach is, however, it's much more like a suburb of DC in it's feel that you obviously know. It's a small college town, with all of the major conviences that you'd find in any major city, including: indoor plumbing, streetlights, paved streets, police force, paid fire department, electricity, city water, street signs, dentists, etc.
I think of Blacksburg as being like Mclean, just a bit smaller.
Give me a break. This post is pure gold. I'm fowarding this to all my friends from VT that now live here in DC with me.
McLean... like Blacksburg.... HAHA!!
Grandfather Barkingturtle wrote:
I barely read this thread, but am I right to assume it's actually being suggested that a well-armed student body would reduce shootings?
I'd also like to point out that last year, when that shooting happened, the shooter saved himself the trouble and just took the cop's gun and killed him with it.
Edited, Apr 16th 2007 2:45pm by Atomicflea
Metastophicleas wrote:
It's likely that had more people been armed on campus, this kid wouldn't have gone on a rampage, and would rather have just saved the effort and shot himself first.
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
There have been studies that have shown a healthy dose of firearms actually decrease violent crimes, because of fear of being shot. This doesn't mean that everyone should own a firearm, nor does it mean that things like this won't ever happen. This means that more people owning, and carrying firearms is actually good for the nation, and will reduce the likelyhood that people will kill others. If we reduce the risk by 10%, that's good enough for me. If you're living in fear of an average person shooting you, you should actually meet new people. Besides, open carry on your hip is a great way to convince Joe Blow around the corner, who is looking for a victim, to start looking the other way.
Here in VA, we've reduced that risk, thanks to easing gun laws, and making them easier to understand for the average citizen. This incident is an oddity, and to be honest, outside of Richmond, our murders per 100,000 are rather low, when compared to other areas. I expect it drop further now that the right to defend your home has been restored to us. If you break into a home now, the resident has the right to shoot your *** for fear of thier safety. No longer to we have to prove danger.
Edited, Apr 16th 2007 4:14pm by Metastophicleas
Here in VA, we've reduced that risk, thanks to easing gun laws, and making them easier to understand for the average citizen. This incident is an oddity, and to be honest, outside of Richmond, our murders per 100,000 are rather low, when compared to other areas. I expect it drop further now that the right to defend your home has been restored to us. If you break into a home now, the resident has the right to shoot your *** for fear of thier safety. No longer to we have to prove danger.
Edited, Apr 16th 2007 4:14pm by Metastophicleas
Jetsam wrote:
I think of Blacksburg as being like Mclean, just a bit smaller.
Give me a break. This post is pure gold. I'm fowarding this to all my friends from VT that now live here in DC with me.
McLean... like Blacksburg.... HAHA!!
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They are similar. They are both rather tight, and growing communities, with Blacksburg being obviously smaller (Blacksburg is like McLean in the mid 60s, from what I've seen), as I said. Maybe I should have bolded the smaller part, so that you guys would've understood that.
Metastophicleas wrote:
Here in VA, we've reduced that risk, thanks to easing gun laws, and making them easier to understand for the average citizen. This incident is an oddity, and to be honest, outside of Richmond, our murders per 100,000 are rather low, when compared to other areas.
Barkingturtle said :
Werd.
And as far as 'dumbest things ever', its up against some pretty stiff competition from previous Meph and varus posts...
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I barely read this thread, but am I right to assume it's actually being suggested that a well-armed student body would reduce shootings? Because if that's what you twats are recommending, it's the dumbest ******* thing I've ever heard. Seriously, the dumbest ******* thing, ever.
Werd.
And as far as 'dumbest things ever', its up against some pretty stiff competition from previous Meph and varus posts...
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Atomicflea wrote:
Metastophicleas wrote:
Here in VA, we've reduced that risk, thanks to easing gun laws, and making them easier to understand for the average citizen. This incident is an oddity, and to be honest, outside of Richmond, our murders per 100,000 are rather low, when compared to other areas.
Did you even bother to compare from year to year?
STATE 05 04 03 02 01 00 99 98 97 96 95
Virginia 6.1 5.2 5.6 5.3 5.1 5.7 5.7 6.2 7.2 7.5 7.6
National 5.6 5.5 5.7 5.6 5.6 5.5 5.7 6.3 6.8 7.4 8.2
Six years lower than the national average does not make us a murder capital.
Edited, Apr 16th 2007 4:38pm by Metastophicleas
Metastophicleas wrote:
There have been studies that have shown a healthy dose of firearms actually decrease violent crimes, because of fear of being shot.
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This incident is an oddity
Edited, Apr 16th 2007 1:51pm by Jophiel
Belkira wrote:
Wow. Regular ol' Joph fan club in here.
Kates, himself pro-2nd amendment, mentions in his study that it's a mistake to think that the relationship between the two (gun ownership and drop in crime) is causal, and rather that it may simply be due to a smaller population. He also points out that
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With this point in mind it becomes evident that the survey data on victim injury do notsupport any suggestion that victims who have guns can safely resist no matter what thecircumstances. On the contrary, though guns do maximize successful resistance, of at least equalimportance in minimizing injury is that gun owners seem to eschew resistance when submission isthe wiser choice.
I think there should be giant magnets installed on campuses across America so that next time some madman(or woman, sorry ladies) decides to go on a rampage the weapon will be ripped from their pocket and will stick to the mighty, compelling object. Then they'll have a hole in their pants, too, and can be easily identified as a criminal.
Of course, wooden weapons may then become the norm, perhaps bows and bone arrows. In that eventuality, I'm fine with arming the students with their own bows or perhaps slingshots.
Of course, wooden weapons may then become the norm, perhaps bows and bone arrows. In that eventuality, I'm fine with arming the students with their own bows or perhaps slingshots.
The latest NBC new update wrote:
Federal law enforcement officials told NBC News that the gunman was dead after he shot more than 50 people at two locations on campus. Thirty-two, including the gunman, were confirmed dead.
Hospitals reported that five of the 15 injured were in stable condition; the conditions of the others were not immediately reported.
Investigators told NBC News that they had so far been unable to positively identify the gunman, whose face was disfigured when he was killed. He carried no ID or cell phone, and an initial check on his fingerprints came up empty.
Witnesses described him as a man in his 20s, wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket. A spokesman for the FBI in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest that the incident was a terrorist attack, “but all avenues will be explored.â€
Hospitals reported that five of the 15 injured were in stable condition; the conditions of the others were not immediately reported.
Investigators told NBC News that they had so far been unable to positively identify the gunman, whose face was disfigured when he was killed. He carried no ID or cell phone, and an initial check on his fingerprints came up empty.
Witnesses described him as a man in his 20s, wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket. A spokesman for the FBI in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest that the incident was a terrorist attack, “but all avenues will be explored.â€
Samira wrote:
Doesn't the military screen for psychological problems before they put a gun in peoples' hands?
Yes, being an active duty member, I'll tell you how the screening goes.
There is a question in your enlistment contract where you check a box:
(T) (F) I NOT am a conciencious objector.
There's your screening. If you don't understand the question, well... most people don't either.
Atomicflea wrote:
The latest NBC new update wrote:
Witnesses described him as a man in his 20s, wearing a maroon cap and a black leather jacket. A spokesman for the FBI in Washington said there was no immediate evidence to suggest that the incident was a terrorist attack, “but all avenues will be explored.â€
Great, so now he'll be found to be Korean, and Bush will invade North Korea.
achileez wrote:
You twit if one of those students had been packing we wouldn't be staring at 30+ deaths. Criminals are going to get guns regardless of what the law says. So by denying law abiding citizens the right to carry weapons to protect themselves you're enabling these mass murderers. Like I said liberalism resulted in the numerous deaths here.
Varus
Varus
You think that arming immature youngsters is a good idea?
Let's assume that one of those armed kids took it upon himself to stop the shooter, and miraculously managed to do so. In this one particular case, having an armed student would be a "good thing".
Now imagine over the course of a year all the emo/disturbed/lovesick/stoned/drunk idiots that will use this firearm to get revenge/justice/attention...
I'm guessing that in the course of a year the bodycount over at virginia tech would be way higher than 32.
Here in VA, we've reduced that risk, thanks to easing gun laws, and making them easier to understand for the average citizen. This incident is an oddity
Not particularly. It's an event that has happened in the past and will be repeated in the future, forever as long as there are easily available firearms.
You can argue that having easily available firearms is worth the relatively very small loss of life from incidents like this, but they are CLEARLY, ABSOLUTELY WITHOUT QUESTION, the cause of them. Personally, I think it's a fairly compelling argument that a few dozen dead innocent teenagers every few years or so is a fair trade off for being able to shoot balls of lead at helpless animals.
Others might disagree.
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Metastophicleas wrote:
This means that more people owning, and carrying firearms is actually good for the nation, and will reduce the likelyhood that people will kill others.
Meta, this is insane.
Think of the countries, in our little world, that have the most firearms on the market. The US, obviously. Afghanistan. Yemen. Not places you would call safe.
Second, the US has roughly 1 gun per habitant. That's the ratio. How many more do you think you need for guns to become a deterrent?
Third, even if every single student had been armed at this Uni, what does it matter if the gunman is ready to die himself? there is no rational thought process involved, it's like those Islamist suicide-bombers. You can arm every single studewnt on campus, the guy will just use some grenades. Or a sniper rifle. Or an automatic.
Guns do not "protect" anyone. They are not bullet-proofs vests. The only "protection" a gun offers is killing the other guy before he kills you. That's not "protection". And in 90% of cases, it's not enough.
So, to sum up:
Guns are a poor deterrent against a madman. If you really want to kill, you'll kill. If people are armed with guns, madmen will use somthing more lethal. Like an assault rifle.
Guns are not "protection". If you want to issue every kid on campus with bullet-prrof vests, fine. That's "protection". Guns are not.
Seriously, you need a think about what you're advocating. A culture of violence and wide-spread weapons that have no other use than to kill are not the answer. You have to look deeper than that. You have to look at what makes a person do such a thing. You have to wander why other countries, like Canada, or Finland, don't have the same problems, desite the fact they have lots of guns too.
I really think you guys have seen too many Holywood movies. You are not Bruce Willis, and neither are those kids on campus.
Advocating "more guns" as a solution to gun problems is not worthy of an advanced adn cultured society like the US.
Meta, this is insane.
Nah, it's standard gun industry brainwashing. You can't blame soft willed weak minded people for repeating it. They believe anything they're told at least three times.
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