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Oh, so when you said "you libs", you meant a bunch of people on the TV. Or did you think Dodd & Kerry were posting here?

Hate to interrupt the flow of invective, but some blacks do speak out against the gangsta culture.

Yeah, I know, he must be an anomaly.

Well, perhaps because there are more people listening to rappers then listen to Imus? Just a thought. You're looking at too many specifics. The larger question is: "What is more harmful in terms of public perception of black people?". I'm pretty sure that the regular and constant beratement of black women by rappers has *vastly* more impact on how black women are treated then a single phrase uttered by Imus.

Which is the point. You're correct in a way. It's the public reaction that matters. However, I think you're being naive if you think that public reaction isn't fueled by specific groups of people (like Sharpton). Public outcry doesn't happen on it's own. It's created. And in this case very selectively created.

And have you ever listened to black radio hosts? I have. I think you'd be shocked at the language that's used.




Again though, it boils down to harm. Yes, our society reacts differently to different things. The point you seem to be missing is that for some reason our society seems to react differently in ways that are non-sensical with relation to the actual issues at hand. That's the "problem". It's not Imus specifically, nor Sharpton specifically. It's a larger problem, but that still does not mean we shouldn't comment on it.

There is something that causes us to ignore or downplay when a black performer/speaker uses denigratory language, but then zero in on a white performer/speaker who uses the exact same language. And if it were just that, it still wouldn't be a big deal, but what we're seeing is that the more harmful speach is what's being ignored where the relatively harmless speach is what's being pounced upon.



Again. You obviously haven't listend to very many black radio hosts. How about you tune into the local rap radio station where you live for a few days. Then see if your statement above actually holds water.



Um... Except that Imus has done exactly that, repeatedly. He's bashed jews. He's bashed asians. He's bashed white folks. He bashes Republicans. He bashes Democrats. He bashes and jokes and makes fun of pretty much every single group.

You really missed the boat with this one Smash.



I love how in your mind racism has been redefined to mean "anyone not agreeing that black folks deserve better treatment then white folks". At least that appears to be your working definition...

Edited, Apr 13th 2007 5:29pm by gbaji

Well who woulda fucking thunk that Gjabi and I would be arguing the same point.

Granted, I was less eloquent and successful in expressing that point of view, but what else would you expect from an inbred, cracka *** racist, right Smash?

When, exactly, was it here? Or anywhere?

But wait, you're the one that said that if someone supports any invasion of privacy, then they support all invasions of privacy. Your example being that if we allow income taxes then we can't complain when police bust into our house for no reason, or else we're hypocrites.

So the pre-welfare era of the US was satisfactorily civil for you, then you can't ignore that there were still taxes and government programs at that time. If you liked an era with taxes and government programs, you can't complain when there's more taxes and more programs, or you're a hypocrite.

Privacy and private property aren't the same things. There's nothing you can do to maintain privacy when people are free to use their ears, eyes, and mouths however they wish. My example was leftists force the registration of private info for theftaxation and their objection to the patriot act checking library records was ludicrously hypocritical.



You make your point on "eras". Better to evaluate on specific instances of action.

Police entering a home is violent, just as is voting for taxes on your neighbor to redistribute property to others. And if you refuse to pay taxes, the police will use all means necessary to collect, including busting down your grandma's door to kick her out if she can't afford property taxes on a house that may have been built completely by hand by your grandfather. Doesn't matter if rates have skyrocketed because of gentrification or whatever. They know how much you "owe" and where you live because that information is forcibly required by leftist hooligans, who are not at all tolerant, not at all peaceful, not at all enlightened, not at all civil, not at all just, not at all noble.

Police entering a home is violent, just as is voting for taxes on your neighbor to redistribute property to others. And if you refuse to pay taxes, the police will use all means necessary to collect, including busting down your grandma's door to kick her out if she can't afford property taxes on a house that may have been built completely by hand by your grandfather. Doesn't matter if rates have skyrocketed because of gentrification or whatever. They know how much you "owe" and where you live because that information is forcibly required by leftist hooligans, who are not at all tolerant, not at all peaceful, not at all enlightened, not at all civil, not at all just, not at all noble.
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yep.

those same taxes that paid for the army that kept the **** and germany from overthrowing this country so grandpa could have a spit of land to build on. the same taxes that built the roads so grandpa could get his materials delivered. the same taxes that pay for the police that keep the wilsons next door from killing grandpa and taking his house. the same taxes that paid for the schools granpa went to so he could learn to read and write so he could biotch about the taxes......

if he cant pay his fare share, get the hell out. freedom isnt free.

Even a couple of weeks in rehab couldn't make Monx into anything more than a one-trick pony.

Of course, I'm not really one to talk.

Whatever.

Does anyone feel different about Imus' firing now that the Rutgers girls have accepted his apology? Or should we always defer to the public's frenzied teeth-gnashing and cries for justice instead of following the fine example of forgiveness demonstrated by these chickenheads?

I always liked Imus' show on MSNBC; it was a swell way to start my day if I was suffering from insomnia and wanted to hear some ancient dude get all snarky on the subjects of the day at two hours till sunrise. So, I might be biased, but no more so than those who would villify the man for doing what he's done for the past three decades, I'd reckon.