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Gee, I guess those e-mails were just... "lost"Follow

#1 Apr 12 2007 at 4:40 AM Rating: Excellent
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WASHINGTON — The White House said Wednesday that it may have lost what could amount to thousands of messages sent through a private e-mail system used by political guru Karl Rove and at least 50 other top officials, an admission that stirred anger and dismay among congressional investigators.

The e-mails were considered potentially crucial evidence in congressional inquiries launched by Democrats into the role partisan politics may have played in such policy decisions as the firing of eight U.S. attorneys.

The White House said an effort was underway to see whether the messages could be recovered from the computer system, which was operated and paid for by the Republican National Committee as part of an avowed effort to separate political communications from those dealing with official business.
Yeah... "lost" them. Rose Mary Woods, Fawn Hall and... umm... some IT guy working for the RNC?

God willing, the administration gets taken to the mat on this. I don't suppose they'd be willing to let a handful of basement-dwelling thirty year old geeks have a crack at the servers involved and see what they can retrieve?
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#2 Apr 12 2007 at 4:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Good luck retrieving them. The hdd is probably scrubbed regularly to prevent deleted files existing in any way, shape or form.
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Good luck retrieving them. The hdd is probably scrubbed regularly to prevent deleted files existing in any way, shape or form.


Yeah I was kinda thinking the same thing. Karl Rove must have his very own basement full of geeks.
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#4 Apr 12 2007 at 4:52 AM Rating: Good
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Karl Rove must have his very own basement full of geeks.


Karl Rove is Jophiel's mom??
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Karl Rove must have his very own basement full of geeks.


Karl Rove is Jophiel's mom??
Smiley: lol

Maybe one of these geeks had enough foresight to secretly save all this stuff somewhere.

Kao??...didn't someone break into your apt not too long ago?
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#6 Apr 12 2007 at 5:03 AM Rating: Good
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I gotta say, the Democrats in your country are pretty slow learners. This administration has shown a few times that it will stoop to dubious actions to get what it wants and to hide what it doesn't want seen. Before opening fire on the President for these firings, the should've gotten those e-mails as evidence before hand. It's not rocket science. To believe that you could actually get them after announcing that you're going for his balls, is utterly stupid.
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#7 Apr 12 2007 at 5:05 AM Rating: Excellent
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I'm shocked! Shocked I say! haha

*sigh* This country depresses me.

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I'm shocked, shock...oh, never mind.

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Sorry, didn't mean to steal your thunder.

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#10 Apr 12 2007 at 5:23 AM Rating: Good
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You mean our secret email communication system that we registered as being or campaign purposes can't be protected by Executive privilege?

Yeah well we deleted them, all of them, and the hard drives were humped by magnets. Honestly though we have nothing to hide!
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#11REDACTED, Posted: Apr 12 2007 at 5:29 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) The Democrats are so desperate for scandal, they don't even need a Patriot Act to search for private records. You have to be really dumb after a decade of corporate lawsuits to send "incriminating" emails, or be extremely naive to think sending an email isn't tantamount to posting it on a message board for all to read. But then we already knew those that objected to the Patriot Act were hypocrites of the highest degree, who force the government registration of the most private information just to work for a living.
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Yeah, I bet they support patent law, too!

I'd guess the servers involved are being kept on a box made of rare-earth magnets but I didn't know if they'd be retreivable from some other waypoint along the intratubez. I'm not that net savvy.
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It is ok if you don't understand the issue but have strong feelings about it Monx. We understand.

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#14 Apr 12 2007 at 5:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Contradiction in terms methinks.
#15REDACTED, Posted: Apr 12 2007 at 5:47 AM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) What don't I understand? This is a Democratic Watergate, breaking into a political party's private files. There ain't no crime to fire people for "partisan politics" reasons. It would be a crime to enforce the non-firing for partisan political reasons, or any subjective reasons whatsoever, including racist hate reasons. It's called the right of free association. So what the hay are they looking for?
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What don't I understand?


It's cute when you don't understand stuff but pretend like you do then claim ignorance and cover your ignorance up with more ignorance.

It has the entertainment value of a Down Syndrome kid dancing.
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#17 Apr 12 2007 at 8:57 AM Rating: Excellent
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haha, I guess they're not buying it.

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Since 2004, he says, the RNC has excluded White House staff from its automatic deletion of emails – which occurs ever 30 days. Since 2004, White House staff with party email accounts have been excluded from that. Still, however, email users often delete files "cluttering up'' the inbox, he allows. Until a few weeks ago, they could drag files from their inbox to the deleted items folder, right-click it and clear the folder.
Deleting stuff from your inbox scrubs it from the server? Who knew?
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Yeah, I bet they support patent law, too!

I'd guess the servers involved are being kept on a box made of rare-earth magnets but I didn't know if they'd be retreivable from some other waypoint along the intratubez. I'm not that net savvy.


Maybe. I doubt they ever hit the Internet, though.
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"I've got a teenage kid in my neighborhood that can go get 'em for them," he told reporters later.
Smiley: lol@ Leahy.
#21REDACTED, Posted: Apr 12 2007 at 12:54 PM, Rating: Sub-Default, (Expand Post) blah blah blah bush bad blah blah blah...
#22 Apr 12 2007 at 1:28 PM Rating: Decent
I'm imagining RNC Brass doing the Happy Magnet Dance of Disk Fragging as we speak :D
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blah blah blah bush bad blah blah blah...
Must be tough when you don't have any defense Smiley: laugh
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#24 Apr 12 2007 at 2:59 PM Rating: Decent
You know, I'm starting to respect the Democrats a little bit more these days. This Leahy guy seems to at least respect technology and our intelligence. Anyone younger than 35 can tell you those emails are retrievable.
#25 Apr 12 2007 at 5:33 PM Rating: Decent
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Not if the system is designed to delete emails after a set amount of time though. Presumably, that also means that the mail spools on the servers are not backed up either (otherwise it would defeat the purpose).

If their system is set up the way they say, then they're correct. The only copies of the email would be those in the personal inboxes of the people involved. And if they deleted them, they are gone.

What's lost in all of this is that for some bizarre reason we're supporting an action to search for emails which may provide evidence of actions that are not criminal. Um... What's the point again? Show me that the contents of the email may have relevance to a criminal investigation, and I'd be a bit more on the "they're hiding something!" bandwagon.


It's a fishing expedition. Everyone knows it. Or at least everyone should know it. But for some reason, I guess it's ok when the target is the Bush administration. If the exact same thing was being done to the NAACP, I'm reasonably certain that every single one of you bashing Rove would be leaping to the defense instead.

What's funny is that the underlying issue is partisanship. Yet that's exactly what's being displayed, not by the Bush administration, but by everyone insisting that this issue be investigated. Sigh...
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Show me that the contents of the email may have relevance to a criminal investigation


"We screwed up, and we're trying to fix it," she told reporters.

Perino said Thursday that 22 aides in the political arm of the president's office use party or campaign e-mail accounts, which were issued to separate official business from political work. Some of those accounts were used to discuss the December firings of federal prosecutors in eight cities, a shakeup that has triggered a spreading controversy on Capitol Hill.


Not a criminal investigation but House Oversight and Government Reform Committee looking into the actions taken by key republicans on the matter of the Gonzales attorney firings. They were well within their rights to subpeona the information. The President couldnt claim executive privlige to make them confidential because they were on party servers. So the Pubbies quickly tried to make the claim that they were 'gone' which probably ain't the case which is why they are desperately having Perino do damage control and apologizing.
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