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#27 Apr 14 2007 at 10:49 AM Rating: Good
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at 15 in vanguard, its group only, or grinding low exp mobs for crap rewards and a loooong path to advancement. basically, telling the VAST MAJORITY of players, suck it up, or spend the rest of your life grinding it out.

They already made that game. It's called Final Fantasy XI.
#28 Apr 14 2007 at 11:09 AM Rating: Good
Bought the game this morning, patching now and might actually have time to play it tonight once I'm finished with farm stuff. If I don't dig it, I'll more than likely be done with MMO's until the next batch comes out, because as it stands I don't want to log on to WoW if DSD isn't on, and with our three hour time difference and me not even having the opportunity to get on till well after midnight her time lately it's less than ideal. LOTRO, while very pretty, is basically the antithesis of what I want in a game. I want a game based on the world, rather than on a linear progression. I want lots of different races and classes, too, and I want a greater deal of realism than WoW or LOTRO offer. I want EQ with new bells and whistles, and I have since I first left when WoW came out. I want to feel like I'm playing a PnP RPG with a couple thousand people again.

So VG, in concept, anyway, fits what I want better than anything else out there right now. I get an assload of races and classes and a fUckton of geography to explore. I want to have a boat, and a house. I don't need a game that I can solo all the way through nor one that I can level to the cap in a month, and I don't want a game like that, either. Not being the obvious social ****** that shadorelm is should make it easier for me to get groups, methinks, and I much prefer my MMO's to be a group-centric experience with some opportunity to solo than a single-player game which more or less discourages getting to know other folks. I miss actually being sort of attached to my characters and not feeling like I could reroll and be back where I was in a week or two. I don't mind never seeing the level-cap, so long as I can keep on discovering new places. So, meh, I'll give VG a shot, at least.

If it won't play well on my PC, or if I just hate it, I'll either go back to WoW, again, or maybe give LOTRO another shot, or I'll just wait till another game captures my interest, if that ever happens again.
#29 Apr 14 2007 at 1:56 PM Rating: Decent
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My fiancee just bought Burning Crusade and keeps trying to get me into WoW. She gave me the free 10 day trial too, but we don't have the original install disks on hand...
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#30 Apr 14 2007 at 1:58 PM Rating: Good
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My fiancee just bought Burning Crusade and keeps trying to get me into WoW. She gave me the free 10 day trial too, but we don't have the original install disks on hand...


You can download the client, took me about four hours last time I did it.
#31 Apr 14 2007 at 2:00 PM Rating: Good
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Bought the game this morning, patching now and might actually have time to play it tonight once I'm finished with farm stuff. If I don't dig it, I'll more than likely be done with MMO's until the next batch comes out, because as it stands I don't want to log on to WoW if DSD isn't on, and with our three hour time difference and me not even having the opportunity to get on till well after midnight her time lately it's less than ideal. LOTRO, while very pretty, is basically the antithesis of what I want in a game. I want a game based on the world, rather than on a linear progression. I want lots of different races and classes, too, and I want a greater deal of realism than WoW or LOTRO offer. I want EQ with new bells and whistles, and I have since I first left when WoW came out. I want to feel like I'm playing a PnP RPG with a couple thousand people again.

So VG, in concept, anyway, fits what I want better than anything else out there right now. I get an assload of races and classes and a fUckton of geography to explore. I want to have a boat, and a house. I don't need a game that I can solo all the way through nor one that I can level to the cap in a month, and I don't want a game like that, either. Not being the obvious social ****** that shadorelm is should make it easier for me to get groups, methinks, and I much prefer my MMO's to be a group-centric experience with some opportunity to solo than a single-player game which more or less discourages getting to know other folks. I miss actually being sort of attached to my characters and not feeling like I could reroll and be back where I was in a week or two. I don't mind never seeing the level-cap, so long as I can keep on discovering new places. So, meh, I'll give VG a shot, at least.

If it won't play well on my PC, or if I just hate it, I'll either go back to WoW, again, or maybe give LOTRO another shot, or I'll just wait till another game captures my interest, if that ever happens again.


Be ashamed of youself. You just sold me on trying the game out for many of the same reasons you have. I'll be going out to get it today. I just hope it's not as slow, FPS wise as some say.
#32 Apr 14 2007 at 3:27 PM Rating: Decent
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Let me know how it runs on your rigs and what your rigs are.

I am sitting at 3.2 Pentium, 1gb ram, middle of the road graphics card. I am interested in trying it out (it is only 40 bucks) just so I can rant about it with authority! Plus I am already tired of WoW, and Lotro really wasnt doing it for me.

(Also if you are going to join goto Hilsbury server, myself and DSD's old EQ2 guild is on there in a limited form, I believe Sick is that as well)
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#33 Apr 14 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
I just made a toon and ran around a bit, and at least in the newb area, it runs way better than I expected after being inundated with horror stories for the past couple months. There was a bit of choppiness when I ran into a large group of NPCs, but nothing too horrible, and I haven't begun to mess with my settings yet, at all. I must say, I'm pleasantly surprised after my first few moments in-game, but that's all I have to go off of so far; about two minutes of running around like a dork. I'll write up a little first-impressions review after tonight when I can actually sit and play for awhile.

As far as my PC goes, I've got a dual-core AMD Opteron running at 2.6 gigs, 2.75 gigs of RAM, and a geforce 7600gt at 256mb. I was afraid the game would be totally unplayable, but I'm thinking I'll be fine. I even saw four other level one toons as soon as I entered the world, and they didn't lag me at all, and encouraged me that if there were four other high elves being born at the same time as me then maybe it won't be the ghost-town I'd heard, either.

I'm sort of giddy, and I wish I didn't have close to fifty animals to go feed right now, so I could start playing instead of laboring for the next three+ hours.
#34 Apr 14 2007 at 8:00 PM Rating: Good
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2.75 gigs of RAM


I'd say that's the main reason you're doing so well. I'm running a gig and a quarter right now, so I'd probably need one more gig if I ever try it out.
#35 Apr 14 2007 at 8:29 PM Rating: Good
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I'd say that's the main reason you're doing so well. I'm running a gig and a quarter right now, so I'd probably need one more gig if I ever try it out.


Yeah, from what I've read most folks who are satisfied with their performance have at least 2 gigs. The box I bought this week came with two gigs and I threw the .75 I had in my old PC in and am very pleased.

I've only played a little bit tonight so far, but got a half-elf bard named Luciano to level four and I'm very impressed thus far. I had low expectations, but still, the game is running flawlessly with the clip plane turned all the way up with medium-high settings. The game-play is pretty simple at this low a level, but I like how I can combine different elements into songs and then even name the songs. I have "Luciano's Lullaby", a regen song, and "Luciano's Little Ditty", a plus damage, plus dexterity and plus vitality song so far. It's kind of neat for someone who really misses their old carpal tunnel inducing bard from EQ to be able to selectively choose what effects to use. I'm going to experiment alot tonight with my race/class, though, and in the end I may not stick with bard, just because I want to have a reason to have a horse, and bards apparently run faster than mounts at level six.

The starter area for my half-elf was cool, though. I spawned on a white-sand beach, and in the distance there was a village of Asian-styled houses, many of them in ruins and burning. Some scary looking dude riding a dragon sat on the beach, and gave me quests to head into the village and stel from the poor villagers, motivate lazy imperial troops and, of course, kill innocents. All the while soldiers are killing these civilians and the townsfolk keep saying things like "I see the guilt in your eyes" and "It's not too late to change your ways". Then the commander has me kill these monks who he admits won't attack unless provoked, just to make me extra guilty. At last, I'm sent deep into the village to kill the old master, but when I meet him he's a totally enlightened dude, and he strips me of my imperial weapons and armor and ports me to a nearby fisherman village, where I set about on some quests to redeem my damaged soul.

I'm having fun. We'll see if it gets better, or worse, but either way I'll post here and infuriate those who could give two Shits what goes on in this game.

Edited, Apr 14th 2007 9:31pm by Barkingturtle
#36 Apr 14 2007 at 9:03 PM Rating: Excellent
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BT, yewwww *******. Smiley: motz That sounds far more interesting than the Dwarven starting area (when I was in beta). I might pick up a copy of Vanguard and give it a try. I wasn't thrilled with the Dwarves, but I admit some of the other races seemed interesting.

I'm still half-heartedly playing WoW, but barely. Like BT, I prefer to group with people (especially folks I know) and lately all that I've done in WoW is solo. While I don't mind soloing now and again, soloing all the time wears thin fast.

I still like LOTRO but I'm far from addicted to it. I agree, LOTRO feels a bit too linear. But, Allakhazam folks are there and we have a decent sized-guild going for it. I find myself playing more LOTRO than WoW mainly due to that - and they have decent Dwarves to boot. Unfortunately, I find myself soloing more often than not until you absolutely need a group for a quest instance. Luckily, the pick up groups are actually not too bad so far in LOTRO. I just hope when enough of us are in the same areas, grouping with my kinship (guild) mates will be more common.

The only game I'm truly looking forward to is Warhammer Online. Age of Conan might be worth checking out if I can get into the beta, but we'll see. Both have great lore behind them.



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#37 Apr 14 2007 at 9:09 PM Rating: Decent
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This is Vanguard you're talking about, right? The discussion seems to veer about at times. I wonder what V would play like on my system, with a P4 3Ghz, 2GB RAM and an ATI x1300 Pro.
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#38 Apr 14 2007 at 10:48 PM Rating: Good
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P4, 3GHz, 2 GB Ram.

Plays ok at Medium setting. The only lag I get is when I open a door and I'm not sure if that's not (annoyingly) intentional.

I played around with a half giant Dread Knight until level 6 and was happy with the game. Although all the NPCs encouraging honor and valour from a ******* with no morals seemed wierd. Now I got to try out that elf area, it's sounds fun....and try out a Bard.

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BT I don't think a .75 GB Ram added onto 2GB actually helps. From what I was told Ram in multiply sticks have to be ballanced.



Edited, Apr 15th 2007 2:50am by GitSlayer
#39 Apr 15 2007 at 12:00 AM Rating: Good
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P4, 3GHz, 2 GB Ram.

Plays ok at Medium setting. The only lag I get is when I open a door and I'm not sure if that's not (annoyingly) intentional.


I get that, too, not sure what the deal is with it.

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BT I don't think a .75 GB Ram added onto 2GB actually helps. From what I was told Ram in multiply sticks have to be ballanced.


I actually read on Silky Venom, I think, that removing a third gig could improve performance, but I went ahead and threw it in there, anyway, because more RAM has got to mean my **** is huge. If the game ran like **** I was planning on taking it out before I changed anything else, but since it's playing so well I'll just leave it in there, for now.

I tried out a high-elf bloodmage this evening, pretty cool. The high-elf starting area has you spawning underneath this tree with rotating rings of glyphs overhead and leaves falling all around you. The leaves were the best part, though, because playing in third person they would fall between my toon and, well, me, and it was one of the coolest 3D effects I've ever seen in a game.

So, what server you roll on, Git? I rolled on the one Bhodi suggested, Hilsbury, and was planning on rolling there anyway because I had seen a recruitment post for a PST-based guild. If you decide to roll a toon there, look for Luciano, in one form or another, I'll more than likely be rerolling over and over again in the next few days till I settle on something.
#40 Apr 15 2007 at 1:41 AM Rating: Good
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I'm on Hilsbury as Bohdi suggested as well. Goofing around tonight I have a 2nd level Dorf Worrier named Duffy, a sixth level Half Giant Dread Knight named Gorim, a 3rd level Bloodmage named Maltheus and a 6th level Gobo Monk named Grum. I'm liking Grum the best so far, but who knows I'm still trying out classes and races.
#41 Apr 15 2007 at 3:20 AM Rating: Good
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Look up a guild named 'Bane'.

Probably not a huge group but definitely one of the best groups I have ever played with in my MMO career. Bunch of old EQ1 types who played EQ2 then went to VG.

I am heading out tomorrow and will probably pick up the game, I know Git and BT are really fickle ***** who probably won't stick with the game longer than a month or two but I need something other than WoW and my attempts to contact Frys/Gamestops customer service to talk about the Lotro pre-sale was less than fruitful and finding an actual retail location with presale up here in canuckistan is worse than impossible.
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#42 Apr 15 2007 at 3:21 AM Rating: Decent
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I started four characters between Hilsbury and Flamehammer when the game was released just to secure the good names, eh.

I've continued playing the DE Disciple I had been playing in Beta and haven't hardly touhced the others I made. The Disciple is easily the funnest class I've ever played in any MMO.

DSC is a healer/monk hybrid. It's one of the three main healing classes but can also put out some decent melee damage. She's been a good soloer (around level 15, I think it was, I got FD...WOOT!), but is also well received in groups.

Welcome to Vanguard...you're in Brad's World Now. Smiley: wink
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#43 Apr 15 2007 at 7:44 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, the half elf disciple I made is probably my favorite combo. The story lines (half elf starting scenario and disciple) just synch together nicely.

Gnome blood mage is fun, too. Druid is more of a nuke than a healer in this game, so quite a change there.
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#44 Apr 15 2007 at 12:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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Picked it up today and patching now...bastards...Smiley: motz

Edited, Apr 15th 2007 1:13pm by Snorre
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#46 Apr 15 2007 at 3:50 PM Rating: Good
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I picked it up today, patching as we speak.

I was less than impressed with the beta as well. Think I have been fairly vocal in my criticism of the launch and Brad McQuaids complete lack of business acumen. The simple fact is that WoW is killing me. I did it for two years on and off. TBC doesnt bring enough to the table to make me want to play it more.

Lotro, I might pick it up but my attempts to pre-order it have been more than a little annoying since I am in canada and not a single chain up seems to have it on pre-order and attempting to pre-order out of the states strikes me as a complete cluster f'uck waiting to happen, plus the shipping charge is obscene. So I will wait to pick it up when it goes live, to hell with founders offer.

So here I am at VG. Which is the game I want, challenging, incredibly deep, multifacted, involved and everything else that the MMO's out there aren't. However it is definitely full of bugs. Guess I will see if 4 months is enough to make it playable or not or if it is still a POS.
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#47 Apr 15 2007 at 3:52 PM Rating: Good
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Out of all the MMO possibilities out there, VG is the one I cant find anything to hold my interest in. Sick was in beta for ages, and still plays here and there with our old guildies from EQ2 (whom are now considering LOTR). He's kept my informed of his opinion, both the good and the bad. Unfortunately what the game seems to ride on is grouping for many of the quests, and as I cant yet truly feel comfortable grouping up unless I really know the people due to having to have emergency afks, thats a con for me. Not to mention memories resurfacing of waiting for an hour or two each night for fellow friends to log on in EQlive in order to actually get a decent group together.

When EQ2 came out not ready, I still plunged in and regret it horribly. It ruined the game for me for a long time until Sick wheedled me into giving it another shot after many changes. I learned a lesson then. Wait awhile until a game with known issues has time to iron out some of the major kinks, and then try it. I figure Ive got at least another 6 months before I even consider VG, and that will depend upon how my other MMOs are capturing my interest, and if I hear more positive feedback on the VG fixes.
#48 Apr 15 2007 at 6:46 PM Rating: Excellent
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Just finished creating my race/class combos. Definitely looks and plays a bit better than when I was in beta but I haven't gotten too far into yet.

For those of you playing, here's my toons if you want to add them to your friends list:

Snorre - Dwarf Paladin

Haemish - Halfling Bard

Drunkyn - Half Elf Disciple

Whiffy - Gnome Necromancer

Skwish - Half Giant Warrior

Shrubbery - Halfling Ranger

Wallop - Gnome Cleric

Stryffe - Dark Elf Monk








Edited, Apr 21st 2007 1:31am by Snorre
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#49 Apr 15 2007 at 7:45 PM Rating: Good
Good God man, you are the Smiley: king of alts. I've just got Luciano, the half-elf bard and Jaoquin, who's still undecided as to what he's going to be.
#50 Apr 15 2007 at 11:44 PM Rating: Excellent
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That I am! I'll probably redo some over time as well. Current levels and comments:

Snorre - Dwarf Paladin - Level 13 - Will spend more time on him tomorrow night.

Haemish - Halfling Bard - Level 3 - Nice Halfling area and the bard seems like a really cool class.

Drunkyn - Half Elf Disciple - Level 7 - This may become my favorite class - monk fighting and healing all in one - very cool. Will spend more time on him tomorrow night. Too bad Dwarves, Gnomes and Halflings cannot be Disciples or Monks...

Whiffy - Gnome Necromancer - Level 5 (Oh..my...Bob...Necros are amazingly powerful - talking 2 shot kills every now and again on some equal level mobs). And the pet (abomination) is the coolest necro pet I've seen ever (looks sort of like Spiderman's Venom character). One criticism is the pet tended to wonder off/warp in one area and I couldn't get it to attack my target until it finally warped back - again, just in one area this happened...pet was awesome everywhere else I played.

Shrubbery - Halfling Ranger - Level 1 (haven't played yet).

Wallop - Gnome Cleric - Level 1 (haven't played yet).

Skwish - Half Giant Warrior - Level 2 (haven't played much yet, but pretty cool so far).

Stryffe - Dark Elf Monk - Level 2

I actually had a much better experience playing today than I did in the beta (towards end of beta). The various areas of the world I explored with my newbie toons was pretty impressive. Beautiful areas.

I'm pleasantly surprised they've improved so much - yes, it's still a bit buggy and has a ways to go on getting it more polished, but the bugs I encountered were tolerable if not trivial. My social chat system thing crashed once later in the evening, but I never was thrown out of the game.

Not many folks in the newbie areas - I think I came across maybe 3 people the whole night and that was one person per toon I played. I'm sure I'll see more once I get closer to civilization hubs.

Then end of my night was capped off by one of the goblin trainer npc's saying to me, "I don't care what she says, I'm not your daddy!" Hysterical.

Now to make time for both this game, LOTRO and WoW...oi! Smiley: oyvey





Edited, Apr 21st 2007 1:31am by Snorre
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#51 Apr 16 2007 at 3:35 AM Rating: Good
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Bhod.

Disciple on Hilsbury.

Game kind of looks like *** since I need another gig of ram and newer vid car to get the most out of it. However runs at 35 fps on second to last quality setting and I am sure I could fiddle around and tweak that out.
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