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I'm so glad you managed to get that misogynist hit in at the end, there. I was so afraid you'd leave a group unoffended.
More a misanthrope this mornin'.
I'm a bit pee'd off with most humans atm.
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More a misanthrope this mornin'.
I'm a bit pee'd off with most humans atm.
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
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I don't think he offended teh gheys.
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uphill gardener def. a Chutney Ferret, Marmite Miner
In Viz comic's Profanosaurus, it was defined rather elegantly as 'he who hoes at the pink allotment'
In Viz comic's Profanosaurus, it was defined rather elegantly as 'he who hoes at the pink allotment'
just wanted to make it clear that I had definately NOT ommitted teh gheys....
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
I think it's too easy to take the moral high ground with these soldiers.
When they came back, the MInistry of Defense allowed them to sell their stories. They didn't do this out of generosity, or because they thought the soldier's pay was a bit low, they did this because they thought it would be a good way to counter the Iranian "propaganda".
And when the soldiers did sell their stories, and every moralist started crying about it, then the MoD decided that, after all, on second-thought, after much refection, they should'nt be allowed to sell their stories.
Now, I don't get what the soldiers did wrong. The MoD's decision to allow them to sell their stories is an implicit admission by the soldier's bosses that selling their stories is "ok".
In England, everyone sells their stories. That's how the tabloids work. That's how TV works. Everyone does it. So these young soldiers, that get paid like crap to risk their young lives in some stupid and illegal war, get taken hostage because of some grand political game, then come home and are told "Sell your stories" for propaganda purposes, should not be blamed for doing so. It's completely unfair on them. They are just ordinary people. They are not SPARTANS, nor are they super-humans, not are they Ghandi-like in their refusal for material fluffyness. They get offered some money to counter the Iranian propaganda, and get the "OK" from their bosses, it's completely normal that they do it.
I agree that, in Mel Gibson's perfect world, the soldiers should not sell their stories, and should instead make bullets out of the tin soldiers that their children used to play with.
But in today's world I think it's both unfair and realistic to blame these guys.
When they came back, the MInistry of Defense allowed them to sell their stories. They didn't do this out of generosity, or because they thought the soldier's pay was a bit low, they did this because they thought it would be a good way to counter the Iranian "propaganda".
And when the soldiers did sell their stories, and every moralist started crying about it, then the MoD decided that, after all, on second-thought, after much refection, they should'nt be allowed to sell their stories.
Now, I don't get what the soldiers did wrong. The MoD's decision to allow them to sell their stories is an implicit admission by the soldier's bosses that selling their stories is "ok".
In England, everyone sells their stories. That's how the tabloids work. That's how TV works. Everyone does it. So these young soldiers, that get paid like crap to risk their young lives in some stupid and illegal war, get taken hostage because of some grand political game, then come home and are told "Sell your stories" for propaganda purposes, should not be blamed for doing so. It's completely unfair on them. They are just ordinary people. They are not SPARTANS, nor are they super-humans, not are they Ghandi-like in their refusal for material fluffyness. They get offered some money to counter the Iranian propaganda, and get the "OK" from their bosses, it's completely normal that they do it.
I agree that, in Mel Gibson's perfect world, the soldiers should not sell their stories, and should instead make bullets out of the tin soldiers that their children used to play with.
But in today's world I think it's both unfair and realistic to blame these guys.
In England, everyone sells their stories. That's how the tabloids work. That's how TV works. Everyone does it. So these young soldiers, that get paid like crap to risk their young lives in some stupid and illegal war, get taken hostage because of some grand political game, then come home and are told "Sell your stories" for propaganda purposes, should not be blamed for doing so. It's completely unfair on them. They are just ordinary people. They are not SPARTANS, nor are they super-humans, not are they Ghandi-like in their refusal for material fluffyness. They get offered some money to counter the Iranian propaganda, and get the "OK" from their bosses, it's completely normal that they do it.
Of course it's not their faults. No one expects soldiers to act with any personal integrity, they're as selfish as anyone else. Allowing them to do so, however, was a glaring mistake.
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Now a real man would have started a war over this! Just ask GWB! 
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Allowing them to do so, however, was a glaring mistake.
I agree, it's the MoD that screwed up badly.
And of course, in an ideal world, the soldiers should refuse to sell their stories.
But then again, in an ideal world, they wouldn't have been there in the first place. It's just to easy to put all the blame on these guys, when the guys above them were nudging them to do so.
Some of the greatest war stories ever told were from survivors of captivity or war.
Something to think about. Not necessarily the case with these 15 service members however, I don't think placing basically a gag order on service members is a great idea. If the Common Joe doesn't get *some* sort of grasp on what it is the brave men and women of uniform potentially have to go through during their sacrifice the merit is lost.
If it were 15 British civilians captured and they sold their story, would it be any less valid of a choice?
Something to think about. Not necessarily the case with these 15 service members however, I don't think placing basically a gag order on service members is a great idea. If the Common Joe doesn't get *some* sort of grasp on what it is the brave men and women of uniform potentially have to go through during their sacrifice the merit is lost.
If it were 15 British civilians captured and they sold their story, would it be any less valid of a choice?
It's just to easy to put all the blame on these guys
Well, not to get too judgmental about something I don't really have much of an emotional investment in at all, there is a certain code of conduct that's meant to be followed when you're taken prisoner and it generally doesn't involve partying with your captors on videotape.
If there's criticism to be levied, it's for their conduct as prisoners, not for taking money after the fact.
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If there's criticism to be levied, it's for their conduct as prisoners, not for taking money after the fact.
That is precisely the point most people will miss in this case. They will ignore entirely their conduct as captivitiees and focus wholly that they made a buck off of it.
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If it were 15 British civilians captured and they sold their story, would it be any less valid of a choice?
Well that's the whole point, people seem to think that people in the armed forces should be "above" ordinary citizens or subjects, and should not be motivated by monetary gains, but by "Queen and country" instead. I think it's a bit unfair and unrealistic, especially if they get the "ok" from their superiors.
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it generally doesn't involve partying with your captors on videotape.
I gotta say the Iranians, and Mahmoud in particular, certainly have a feeling for good old-fashioned propaganda and show-business. The release "ceremony" was quite hilarious, and them thanking Mahmoud for his generosity was just surreal.
Somehow, I just can't imagine Iranian hostages going for tea in Downing Street, having a chat with Blair about the Cricket and the weather, and thanking him for his hospitality, before being released back to Iran.
It's surreal, and it would be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that Mahmoud is clearly showing signs of advanced megalomania.
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I think its time to stop implying that sailors are ghey, if you don't mind!
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"above" ordinary citizens or subjects, and should not be motivated by monetary gains, but by "Queen and country" instead.
I think its time to stop implying that sailors are ghey, if you don't mind!
"If you have selfish, ignorant citizens, you're gonna get selfish, ignorant leaders". Carlin.
Well they do jockey for position on something long, hard, and filled with *****.
A submarine!
wow I'm rating myself down on that one
A submarine!
wow I'm rating myself down on that one
It's surreal, and it would be hilarious if it wasn't for the fact that Mahmoud is clearly showing signs of advanced megalomania.
He's entertaining at least. If you have to have megalomaniac strongmen, at least having entertaining ones is some consolation. I mean he's no Ugo, but still.
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