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#1 Apr 04 2007 at 1:48 PM Rating: Good
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Or a bush, whatever.I do try not to hate him but could he be more...sleazy please?

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Recognizing Fox did not have the votes to obtain Senate confirmation, Bush withdrew the nomination last month. On Wednesday, with Congress out of town for a spring break, the president used his power to make recess appointments to put Fox in the job without Senate confirmation.

This means Fox can remain ambassador until the end of the next session of Congress, effectively through the end of the Bush presidency.

Bush also used his recess appointment authority to make Andrew Biggs deputy director of Social Security. The president's earlier nomination of Biggs, an outspoken advocate of partially privatizing the government's retirement program, was rejected by Senate Democrats in February.


Nice.

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#2 Apr 04 2007 at 1:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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You don't want to know who all he's going to appoint to the EPA during the recess.

Trust me. Just don't look.
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#3 Apr 04 2007 at 1:52 PM Rating: Excellent
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Samira wrote:
You don't want to know who all he's going to appoint to the EPA during the recess.

Trust me. Just don't look.


Oh why did you even tell me? You know I can't help but look...and now I've passed irritation to depression.

Gross.

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#4 Apr 04 2007 at 1:59 PM Rating: Good
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Nothing he does surprises me anymore. I'm hoping he'll break the monotony by having a massive coronary.
#5 Apr 04 2007 at 2:12 PM Rating: Good
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What's wrong with Sam Fox?

You did mean this Sam Fox right?

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#6 Apr 04 2007 at 2:15 PM Rating: Excellent
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I can't say I'm super upset or anything because it's an ambassadorship to friggin' Belgium of all places. I suppose Fox can lord it over the ambassador to Mali.

Still, it's funny to watch Bush throw a pissy fit that his nomination didn't get through the Senate and decide to circumvent the process. Should play well with his "We're going to work with the Democratic Congress" song and dance back in November Smiley: rolleyes
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#7 Apr 04 2007 at 2:21 PM Rating: Good
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I can't wait to see how gbaji will excuse this.



Hopefully it will be under three pages long.
#8 Apr 04 2007 at 2:32 PM Rating: Excellent
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William Wehrum is the acting chief of the EPA's air and radiation division. Of course he'd never get confirmed, so he'll be appointed permanently in the recess. He's a lawyer who previously represented auto and chemical industries. Here's a surprise: emissions are not all that bad.

Alex Beehler is set to direct the EPA's inspector general's office. Previously he worked for Koch Industries. But really, what are a few oil spills among friends?

Susan Dudley, formerly of the Mercatus Center (a conservative think tank), would be appointed to the White House OBM, where she can doubtless continue to assure the Administration that regulating ******* levels in drinking water is not the government's job.

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#9 Apr 04 2007 at 3:48 PM Rating: Good
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Remember that time the Democrats won the House and Senate and Bush was all like "I'll go down on you, lets just play nice" and most of you were all like 'aww he is not really a bad guy, look he is trying to bridge the gap and distance himself from the neo-cons that held his leash'. Remember when I was like 'the guy is a slimy **** that will say whatever it takes to throw you off then do something sneaky and underhanded the minute you are not looking'

Yeah, that was great.

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#10 Apr 04 2007 at 3:59 PM Rating: Good
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Remember that time the Democrats won the House and Senate and Bush was all like "I'll go down on you, lets just play nice" and most of you were all like 'aww he is not really a bad guy, look he is trying to bridge the gap and distance himself from the neo-cons that held his leash'. Remember when I was like 'the guy is a slimy **** that will say whatever it takes to throw you off then do something sneaky and underhanded the minute you are not looking'

Yeah, that was great.

Smiley: oyvey


I DO remember that, only the "most of you" was just Gbaji, who claimed Bush was actually a moderate.



Edited, Apr 4th 2007 5:00pm by Ambrya
#11 Apr 04 2007 at 4:01 PM Rating: Excellent
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Ambrya wrote:

I DO remember that, only the "most of you" was just Gbaji, who claimed Bush was actually a moderate.


Actually, Smash said something similar, but we all know he's a sucker.

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#12 Apr 04 2007 at 4:02 PM Rating: Good
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Ambrya wrote:
bodhisattva wrote:
Remember that time the Democrats won the House and Senate and Bush was all like "I'll go down on you, lets just play nice" and most of you were all like 'aww he is not really a bad guy, look he is trying to bridge the gap and distance himself from the neo-cons that held his leash'. Remember when I was like 'the guy is a slimy **** that will say whatever it takes to throw you off then do something sneaky and underhanded the minute you are not looking'

Yeah, that was great.

Smiley: oyvey


I DO remember that, only the "most of you" was just Gbaji, who claimed Bush was actually a moderate.



Edited, Apr 4th 2007 5:00pm by Ambrya
/sheepishly holds hand up.

No. I was one of a number who (while holding a cop-out that he may be bs'ing us) welcomed the comments.
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#13 Apr 04 2007 at 5:15 PM Rating: Good
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Let's be fair though. "Working with" typically requires some effort from both sides. It's not like the Dems have spent any effort to work with Bush on anything, so it's a bit silly to assume that Bush should keep bending over and letting them do anything they want.

They did only win *one* branch of the government folks. Now I know that many Libs out there like to assume that the branch of government that they are typically able to take and hold consistently should be empowered to run everything, sadly, the framers of the Constitution actually did create three and did require that each have separate powers from the others that requires that they work together.

Ms Pelosi and her cronies have done nothing but create division since they took power in Congress (ok. The House in this specific case). Passing bill after bill designed not to actually accomplish anything, but to ensure as much gridlock as possible and to use as ammunition for the next election cycle. I suppose we're perfectly ok with the recent military funding bill in which they effectively put 20B (yes, that's Billion with a "B") dollars in bribe money to get the votes to do nothing but make a statement that they know will be vetoed, purely so they can tell their hardliners that they "did something" is supposed to be viewed as "working together" with the Bush administration to solve the problems in Iraq? That's a strange way of working with someone. Ultimatums (and especially silly and dangerously stupid ones) don't really qualify.

Cooperation works both way people. How about we look at the other side for a change?

Edited, Apr 4th 2007 6:17pm by gbaji
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#14 Apr 04 2007 at 5:31 PM Rating: Good
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bodhisattva wrote:
Remember that time the Democrats won the House and Senate and Bush was all like "I'll go down on you, lets just play nice" and most of you were all like 'aww he is not really a bad guy, look he is trying to bridge the gap and distance himself from the neo-cons that held his leash'. Remember when I was like 'the guy is a slimy **** that will say whatever it takes to throw you off then do something sneaky and underhanded the minute you are not looking'

Yeah, that was great.

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Oh, I stand by that. Bush is a dimwitted fool who can, on occasion, be kindly and is certainly clueless. I don't believe has the genius that it takes to be the evil genius that you seem to think he is.
#15 Apr 04 2007 at 5:32 PM Rating: Decent
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No. I was one of a number who (while holding a cop-out that he may be bs'ing us) welcomed the comments.


Okay, my bad.

#16 Apr 04 2007 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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Oh, I stand by that. Bush is a dimwitted fool who can, on occasion, be kindly and is certainly clueless. I don't believe has the genius that it takes to be the evil genius that you seem to think he is.


I do not think he is dimwitted, or a fool.

I do believe that while he is inept he is smart enough (he did graduate from Yale afterall) and has enough smart, talented people behind him, to make him much more of a threat than you give him credit for (case in point what happened in this instance where he used a technicality to push his own agenda).

I believe he is inclined to play the 'dimwitted but kind' angle because it affords him an enormous amount of political leeway and leaves people constantly underestimating what he is capable of, which is a huge advantage.
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#17 Apr 04 2007 at 6:13 PM Rating: Excellent
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gbaji wrote:
the framers of the Constitution actually did create three and did require that each have separate powers from the others that requires that they work together.
Yeah, the President suggests appointees and the Senate approves them.

Or not, in this case. Great to have a president who holds the Constitution in such high esteem, huh?
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#18 Apr 04 2007 at 6:21 PM Rating: Good
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Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
the framers of the Constitution actually did create three and did require that each have separate powers from the others that requires that they work together.
Yeah, the President suggests appointees and the Senate approves them.

Or not, in this case. Great to have a president who holds the Constitution in such high esteem, huh?


Or, if Congress is on a recess, the President can appoint them anyway, and they get to stay until the next session of Congress.

Not seeing your point. The rule he used to make this appointment is in the Constitution. He's "following the constitution".

Let's do a turnabout.

Where exactly in the Constitution does it say that Congress has the power to tell the president how many troops he can deploy into a war zone?

If we're playing "they're violating the constitution", that is...
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#19 Apr 04 2007 at 6:45 PM Rating: Good
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Technically Iraq is not a warzone. Also the congress didn't declare war legally.

GONZALES: There was not a war declaration, either in connection with Al Qaida or in Iraq. It was an authorization to use military force

Then you have Article 1 Section 8.
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#20 Apr 04 2007 at 6:49 PM Rating: Excellent
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Not seeing your point.
Not suprised.
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#21 Apr 04 2007 at 7:01 PM Rating: Good
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Or not, in this case. Great to have a president who holds the Constitution in such high esteem, huh?

Maybe I'm just not smart like you, Joph, but I hardly see your point, either. You make it sound like he did something contrary to the constitution by making a recess appointment. What has he done here that leads you to make your statement?
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You make it sound like he did something contrary to the constitution by making a recess appointment.
That wasn't what I was saying though. So... ummm... nothing led me to make that assertion.

Edited, Apr 4th 2007 8:05pm by Jophiel
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#23 Apr 04 2007 at 7:30 PM Rating: Good
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That wasn't what I was saying though. So... ummm... nothing led me to make that assertion.

See? I'm not as smart as you.
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I was poking fun at Gbaji's attempts to "educate" use regarding the Framer's intentions for a separation of powers within the government as he defends Bush doing an end run around the Senate's task of approving ambassadors, thus circumventing that very separation of powers.

Yes, it was Constitutional. And, yes, lots of other presidents -- Pubbie & Dem -- have done it as well. I never argued otherwise. Still, you have to admit that using a provision intended for allowing continuity of government during extended Senate recesses to slip in a previously rejected ambassador to Belgium during the week the Senate had off isn't really keeping with the spirit of "Constitutional separation of powers". It isn't as though the government was threatened by not having an ambassador to Belgium for the first week of April.

Edit: Two "a"s in 'separation'

Edited, Apr 4th 2007 8:39pm by Jophiel
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#25 Apr 04 2007 at 9:22 PM Rating: Decent
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gbaji wrote:
Jophiel wrote:
gbaji wrote:
the framers of the Constitution actually did create three and did require that each have separate powers from the others that requires that they work together.
Yeah, the President suggests appointees and the Senate approves them.

Or not, in this case. Great to have a president who holds the Constitution in such high esteem, huh?


Or, if Congress is on a recess, the President can appoint them anyway, and they get to stay until the next session of Congress.

Not seeing your point. The rule he used to make this appointment is in the Constitution. He's "following the constitution".


Yeah, this is what's known as "using the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law."

The ability of the president to make appointments while Congress is in recess was built in so that necessary posts didn't go unfilled for an unduly long length of time, not so that they president could use it to side-step the approval process on appointees whom he knows don't have a chance in hell of ever being approved.

It's a sleazy move that perverts the process.

#26 Apr 04 2007 at 9:31 PM Rating: Excellent
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Yeah, this is what's known as "using the letter of the law to violate the spirit of the law."

The ability of the president to make appointments while Congress is in recess was built in so that necessary posts didn't go unfilled for an unduly long length of time, not so that they president could use it to side-step the approval process on appointees whom he knows don't have a chance in hell of ever being approved.

It's a sleazy move that perverts the process.

Unfortunately, there's not much distinction between "what the procedure does allow" and "what the procedure should allow."

Don't like it? Write a letter.

Editted for clarity. And again, because I r teh dyslexic.

Edited, Apr 5th 2007 12:43am by Demea
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