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Actually Smash, I wouldn't blame it all on Clinton, we can go back much further to discover the root causes of modern terrorism.

Carter fUcked Iran. Regan fUcked Central America. Bush Sr. fUcked Iraq the first time by cowing to the Saudis. This is just since I've been alive. We can go further back, and really get it all nailed down, but that still leaves EVERY politian that was able to affect foreign policy to blame, not just Clinton or Bush.

While your "stats" try to contradict my point, they don't. You were no safer then than you are now. The only thing that has changed is your perception of being safe.

I think that it's time we start blaming people, and start fixing things. What I don't get is why people can't come up with a plan to fix things, rather than a plan to blame someone else, and claim why their plan is better than the other guy, but still not fix anything. I "love" politics.

I was actually thinking of all the people killed due to actions from Bush. The hundreds of thousands of civilian deaths, military deaths, blackwater deaths/ If we had the same medical technology as we did in the 70s I'd bet those numbers would be damn near Vietnam like.




The story of white people fucking brown people and you're right it goes back further than that. Clinton was too busy fucking things/people at home to get as much in as the other guys though. If anything he at least experimented with inaction which would have gone down in history as working very well if it wasn't for that whole Rawanda thing.

Edited, Apr 6th 2007 12:57pm by Lefian

Edited, Apr 6th 2007 12:59pm by Lefian

Hell, just blame it on European imperialism at the turn of the century. Saves our presidents the hassle.

I was thinking more along the lines of the 50s for a good start time, since that seems to be the timeframe that most of these extremists seem to think the world begins, as it relates to the US.

I think it's probably closer to 1967. In fact, I know it is.

Yeah but they stopped that crap like what? 3000 years ago lol.

Immigration? I really have no idea what you're trying to imply. You do understand what a colony is, right?

Our problems with the Middle East started in 1948.

Leafy,



Is this your way of rationalizing that because the most recent attack was the worst that somehow disqualifies everything that led up to it?

And we all know Clinton didn't do a damn thing to deter these muslims from attacking us. You may not like what Bush has done but there can be no doubt that at least he's done something.

Varus

So your solution is to continue to allow these muslims to attack us every now and again and never retalitate for fear we might provoc others to join their cause?

No, that would be the current administration's solution. Allow terrorist networks to function with impunity in the tribal areas of Pakistan while inflaming the entire Arab world by prosecuting a useless needless war and offering up US troops as easy targets like lambs for the slaughter.


Oh and you've still to actually give another option other than declaring defeat and running. As for the killing americans part we're in a freaking war you twit soldiers die in wars.


They do, it's true. It's not always the case that they die needlessly, however. The other option would have been a large scale police action against terrorist networks instead of a shockingly poorly thought out occupation of country completely unrelated to terrorism.

Edited, Apr 9th 2007 12:38pm by Smasharoo

And I don't accept the premise that Bush's actions have led to more terrorists.

Then you're either delusional or functionally retarded.

I'd think even Bush accepts that his actions have led to more terrorists.

Even a blind pig finds an acorn now and then.