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#27 Mar 31 2007 at 10:05 PM Rating: Good
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Never did any of these kinds of drugs. I've been curious, but not enough to actually try anything. Is the high worth it?
#28 Apr 01 2007 at 1:43 AM Rating: Good
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Never did any of these kinds of drugs. I've been curious, but not enough to actually try anything. Is the high worth it?

As long as you have a touch of self-control and self-worth, enough that you don't spiral into the wasteful despair of a junkie, then yes, some high are worth it. I love to read a good book or watching a good movie while smoking a joint.
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#29 Apr 02 2007 at 1:49 AM Rating: Decent
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I've been curious, but not enough to actually try anything. Is the high worth it?


Drugs, like a lot of other things, are very personal. Meaning they have different effects on different people. So, without knowing you personally, I can't say whether you should try it or not.

But you can't lose anything by taking a few puffs on a joint. The worst case scenario is that you won't like the high, and that will be that. But it's quite unlikely. Most probably, you'll giggle, and laugh at stupid things, and feel very relaxed, and then get hungy, stuff your face, and then fall asleep.

Anything stronger is cool in the right circumstances. With people you love, or really trust, in a nice, safe, and relaxing environement. Like everything else, if its done properly and in moderation, it's great. If not, it's awful.

If you don't have any special inclination to try it, then don't. But if you're curious, and so is you husband, then go for it.

As for the high itself... Of course it's worth it!! Otherwise we wouldn't be doing it. As Renton in Trainspotting said: "We're not fuUcking stupid." Different drugs have different highs, cocaine makes you feel like you own the world, ecstacy makes you feel like you are the world, and the world is you, and everything connects, (man!), while weed is much softer and very relaxing. It's not a bad aphrodisiac either.

Of course, I wouldn't want my kids to wake up on a Tuesday morning and pop a pill, or smoke fat spliffs of skunk every morning, just like I wouldn't want them to down a bottle of vodka before lunchtime on school days.

But, in the right circumstances, with the right people, drugs are great.

Obviously.
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#30 Apr 02 2007 at 7:44 AM Rating: Good
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ecstacy makes you feel like you are the world, and the world is you, and everything connects, (man!), while weed is much softer and very relaxing. It's not a bad aphrodisiac either.


Someone told me a long time ago that if there was any drug to do it should be pot or E. Said something along the lines of "If you want the best sex ever, do it on E with lots of good music going."

I'm too straight-laced to actually try anything, drug-wise.
#31 Apr 02 2007 at 7:49 AM Rating: Good
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"If you want the best sex ever, do it on E with lots of good music going."
If by "E" you mean "Elderon" then I certianly agree.
#32 Apr 02 2007 at 7:50 AM Rating: Decent
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"If you want the best sex ever, do it on E with lots of good music going."


If it all goes well, it's one of life's greatest pleasure.

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#33 Apr 02 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Decent
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If it all goes well, it's one of life's greatest pleasure.


If not, you wake up dehydrated and with a mean ball bag ache and wondering who the hairless 19 year old dude covered in glitter lying on top of you is.

All because you listened to Marissa when she said it would a be a good time. That filthy..

I mean, I imagine that's what it's like.
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#34 Apr 02 2007 at 7:55 AM Rating: Good
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ecstacy makes you feel like you are the world, and the world is you, and everything connects, (man!)


I never got that at all from it. I always felt like I was on some weak acid with a pinch of speed thrown in. Of course, by the time I tried ecstacy I'd dabbled in peyote, mescaline and, of course, upside-down gas-huffing, so I think maybe I was just over it before I started.
#35 Apr 02 2007 at 7:59 AM Rating: Default
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That's certainly a generalization of drug users.


And I'd say it's a fairly accurate one. No, not everyone is using drugs to run away from their life, but they are still making a trade of their health and longevity for a temporary "boost". Particularly with addictive drugs it moves from one end of the spectrum to the other. I'm not fully opposed to the use of some drugs when used responsibly, but I still see them as the "lesser" choice between use and sobriety.

#36 Apr 02 2007 at 8:04 AM Rating: Good
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That's certainly a generalization of drug users.


And I'd say it's a fairly accurate one. No, not everyone is using drugs to run away from their life, but they are still making a trade of their health and longevity for a temporary "boost".


You're clueless. I'm not chasing the dragon, I'm testing my own mortality and committing slow suicide over the course of decades. My eyes are wide open.
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Particularly with addictive drugs it moves from one end of the spectrum to the other.


Like tobacco?
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#38 Apr 02 2007 at 8:07 AM Rating: Decent
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And I could say someones making a trade of their health by sitting on their *** and playing video games instead of excercising. And I'm also sure that someone is looking down at you for choosing the "lesser" choice of playing video games.

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you have a touch of self-control and self-worth, enough that you don't spiral into the wasteful despair of a junkie.


No one should be looking down on you.
#39 Apr 02 2007 at 8:13 AM Rating: Default
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I'm testing my own mortality and committing slow suicide over the course of decades.


Oh you don't need to test it, I'm pretty sure you'll die. As you put it, you're committing suicide. You don't value your own continual existence in this world, so why should I?

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Were you attempting to sarcastically insinuate that I was a hypocrate in favor of tobacco and alcohol but against other drugs? Yes, exactly like tobacco. Tobacco is a drug (or contains one, rather). I'm not discriminating based on social acceptance or lack thereof.
#40 Apr 02 2007 at 8:15 AM Rating: Default
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And I could say someones making a trade of their health by sitting on their *** and playing video games instead of excercising.


Resting is a part of a healthy lifestyle. Video games are a harmless means of entertainment. It's not really a good comparison. Some things are good for you in moderation... poison is not one of them.
#41 Apr 02 2007 at 8:16 AM Rating: Decent
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That's certainly a generalization of drug users.


And I'd say it's a fairly accurate one.


And you would know, because... ?

Look, it's quite simple. If you can't handle drugs, don't do them. If you've got psychological problems, if you have an addictive personality, if you're unstable, very insecure, prone to paranoia, etc... Don't do them. People that end up hooked on heroin or crack are obvously fUcked.

On the other hand, most recreational drug users I have met were perfectly normal and stable people that enjoyed a chemical Friday night. They didn't do it because they were "lost", or chasing the dragon, or because they were trying to hide the grim reality of life behind a flufffyness of chemical emotions.

They did it because it's fun.

Will they die earlier than if they hadn't done it? Some will, some won't.

It's always the same. If you can do it resposibly, it's fine. If you can't, then don't.

But generalising people who "do drugs" is like me saying that people who drink do it because they are depressed and need a crutch to help them hobble along their wretched existence. While it might be true in some cases, it's false in most.

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#42 Apr 02 2007 at 8:25 AM Rating: Decent
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Resting is a part of a healthy lifestyle. Video games are a harmless means of entertainment. It's not really a good comparison. Some things are good for you in moderation... poison is not one of them.


You're not quite aware of how well a body heals it self are you? A person can wreck their liver in weekend but within six months (If they got really messed up) it will be working to full capacity. The trick is rest.

The only well documented harm from marijuana smoking are the damages cause by the act of smoking it self but if you show me someone that's chain smoking 10+ joints daily then I'll agree that they have a problem.



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#43 Apr 02 2007 at 8:26 AM Rating: Default
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Alcohol and tobacco are drugs, I'm sure you know, and in context of this thread I am inclusive of them when I talk about people who use drugs.

Otherwise, I think my last couple of posts adequately summarized my argument, in response to the rest of your post, that is.
#44 Apr 02 2007 at 8:29 AM Rating: Decent
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You need to work on your debate skills too. Refering the items in question to a universally biased term is a poor showing of pathos.
#45 Apr 02 2007 at 8:40 AM Rating: Decent
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You're not quite aware of how well a body heals it self are you?


I'm probably more aware than you are. My B.S. is in health, so if you want to challenge my position on this, you better make it a point to get informed.

My beef with alcohol has more to do with its mental effects than the harm it does to the user. Let's talk about some other drugs which do irreversible damage to the body after a single usage. Or let's talk about the fact that the body doesn't "just fix itself" even after a night of binge drinking. Repairing something takes resources and energy... it exerts stress on the body, can make you irritable, and reduces your immune functions.
#46 Apr 02 2007 at 8:42 AM Rating: Decent
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You need to work on your debate skills too. Refering the items in question to a universally biased term is a poor showing of pathos.


Well sorry for giving you too much credit?
#47 Apr 02 2007 at 8:43 AM Rating: Decent
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Let's talk about...


Alternatively, let's not.

Since you know it all, it would be pretty pointless anyway...

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#48 Apr 02 2007 at 8:43 AM Rating: Good
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
"If you want the best sex ever, do it on E with lots of good music going."
If by "E" you mean "Elderon" then I certianly agree.


How did I miss this? Smiley: laugh You kill me Eldy but not in le petite morte way.
#49 Apr 02 2007 at 8:46 AM Rating: Good
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Thumbelyna Quick Hands wrote:
"If you want the best sex ever, do it on E with lots of good music going."
If by "E" you mean "Elderon" then I certianly agree.


How did I miss this? Smiley: laugh You kill me Eldy but not in le petite morte way.
You'll never know if I do or not if you never try! Smiley: schooledSmiley: goat
#50 Apr 02 2007 at 8:47 AM Rating: Decent
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Kachi your argument hasn't stretched beyond, "Drugs are bad because the commercials on TV and my Health teacher said so," actually you haven't cited anything other than your own ideas.
#51 Apr 02 2007 at 8:56 AM Rating: Decent
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And you have?

God forbid that an educated professional have their own opinion. I mean, I may as well insist that the doctor give me a reference page citing the sources he used to diagnosis and prescribe treatment to me, MLA of course.

Since when did you need to cite sources to be of the position that drug use is a bad thing, anyway?

Perhaps less criticsm of my position and a little more emphasis on what makes yours so much better would be a more effective approach. This is not some casual conclusion I made. I have spent a great deal of objective deliberation over the issue and that's where my position is coming from. I'm not asking you to agree or even respect it.
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