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#102 Apr 11 2007 at 11:03 AM Rating: Decent
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Ok, let's make that leap then, since guns are "obviously" evil.

So are cars, as evidenced by the thousands of automobile related fatalities nationwide.

Taken from: http://hazmat.dot.gov/riskmgmt/riskcompare.htm

These are stats from '99-'03 (average per year), complete with risk.

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Motor Vehicle 36,676, 1 out of 7,700


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Firearms 779, 1 out of 366,000


Now we can add the extra 3k from motorcycles, and really skew it, but I'll let you dwell on the fact that you are more likely to die in a car accident than you are from a firearm.

It's also esitmated that more than 39% of household have legal firearms in them. What is not listed is what % of households that have illegal firearms. I'd imagine that's somewhere around 15%, and would overlap some with the legal households.

Edited, Apr 11th 2007 3:04pm by Metastophicleas
#103 Apr 11 2007 at 11:04 AM Rating: Excellent
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We've already been through the cars are more dangerous than guns thing.

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#104 Apr 11 2007 at 11:13 AM Rating: Decent
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Oh, I skipped most everything because I figured once Gbaji posted, anything relevant went out the window because of starving children in Africa not getting attention because Democrats are bickering over the war in Iraq, but dispite the negativity the economy is booming, and Wall Street is dancing on lightpoles. Also, if you're quick, you can spot the ghost kid in three men and a baby in two seperate scenes. What that has to do with anything, I have no idea.

I don't know what I just said either. But it's an extra post for me.

Edited, Apr 11th 2007 3:15pm by Metastophicleas
#105 Apr 12 2007 at 4:25 AM Rating: Good
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Unless you are part of a well regulated militia, the second amendment doesn't apply to you. Raise your hand if you do.


Um... The ammendment at no point says that a person must be a part of a "well regulated militia" to have the right to keep and bear arms.

All people have that right. Whether the aforementioned militia exists or not. In exactly the same way that you have a right to free speach even if you aren't a member of the press, and even if for some reason there was no "press" at all.


Let's compare:

Amendment One: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

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Amendment Two: A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.

Your problem is that you're reading the literal constitution, not the King James version with Apocrypha. It's worded entirely different in that one.

#106 Apr 12 2007 at 6:09 AM Rating: Default
Personally, as a liberal (not necessarily democrate) I don't support the limitation on what type of Gun you can own. I do support waiting periods. It is reasonable to make someone wait a little while before purchasing a dangerous weapon. However, I think, with a reasonable wait and Back Ground Check, we should be allowed to own what ever gun. Personally, I intend to own full body armor, and 50 mm belt fed machine gun and enough ammo to hold of the special forces that I am sure Bushies would like to send to my home to pick me up. (joking)

Anyway, I have a proposal...

Democrates Give the Republicans their Guns and the Republicans get the hell off abortion. LEts just accept we are a country that will not regulate death past murder/manslaughter and get it over with. Prohibition DOES NOT WORK. It didn't work for Alchahol...It doesn't work for drugs or guns...It doesn't work for Prostitution, suicide, or anything. There is no way to regulate people not to hurt themselves. Abusing ones body is not only a fact of the human state, but it is actually a "God Given Right" When Jefferson wrote, "We hold these truths to be selfevident...endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." he never meant for those to be limited to "pusuits that don't adversely affect your health." He, and others, assumed that the declaration of those "INALIENABLE RIGHTS" was enough and that the Bill of Rights need not cover them. WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE SELF F*#KING EVIDENT! In other words, even Bush should be able to see that those are true rights.
#107 Apr 12 2007 at 6:13 AM Rating: Excellent
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Duhkha wrote:
Personally, as a liberal (not necessarily democrate) I don't support the limitation on what type of Gun you can own. I do support waiting periods. It is reasonable to make someone wait a little while before purchasing a dangerous weapon. However, I think, with a reasonable wait and Back Ground Check, we should be allowed to own what ever gun. Personally, I intend to own full body armor, and 50 mm belt fed machine gun and enough ammo to hold of the special forces that I am sure Bushies would like to send to my home to pick me up. (joking)

Anyway, I have a proposal...

Democrates Give the Republicans their Guns and the Republicans get the hell off abortion. LEts just accept we are a country that will not regulate death past murder/manslaughter and get it over with. Prohibition DOES NOT WORK. It didn't work for Alchahol...It doesn't work for drugs or guns...It doesn't work for Prostitution, suicide, or anything. There is no way to regulate people not to hurt themselves. Abusing ones body is not only a fact of the human state, but it is actually a "God Given Right" When Jefferson wrote, "We hold these truths to be selfevident...endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights...life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." he never meant for those to be limited to "pusuits that don't adversely affect your health." He, and others, assumed that the declaration of those "INALIENABLE RIGHTS" was enough and that the Bill of Rights need not cover them. WHY? BECAUSE THEY ARE SELF F*#KING EVIDENT! In other words, even Bush should be able to see that those are true rights.


You know, I honestly try with new posters most of the time, but each post you make confirms in my mind that you are actually functionally retarded. Are you even reading what you write?

I'm too lazy to go over this post piece by piece, but holy hell, what a bunch of ridiculous crap that even the republicans on the board can't possibly agree with.

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#108 Apr 12 2007 at 6:37 AM Rating: Default
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You know, I honestly try with new posters most of the time, but each post you make confirms in my mind that you are actually functionally retarded. Are you even reading what you write?


Oh Well...This is the Assylum and I am insane...As far as retarded, well, I try.

Oh, I seriouly doubt you have read more than 2 of my post and probably don't get my sense of humor...you would not be the first.
#109 Apr 12 2007 at 6:38 AM Rating: Excellent
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probably don't get my sense of humor...you would not be the first.
Maybe you're just not funny.
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#110 Apr 12 2007 at 6:39 AM Rating: Excellent
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Duhkha wrote:

Oh Well...This is the Assylum and I am insane...As far as retarded, well, I try.

Oh, I seriouly doubt you have read more than 2 of my post and probably don't get my sense of humor...you would not be the first.


Yes, I would tend to agree that I don't get it.

I have read more than two of your posts and decided that you are largely just talking to yourself anyway, haha. As long as you're happy!

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#111 Apr 12 2007 at 7:28 AM Rating: Decent
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but each post you make confirms in my mind that you are actually functionally retarded.


You're the meanest ever.

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#112 Apr 12 2007 at 7:52 AM Rating: Excellent
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but each post you make confirms in my mind that you are actually functionally retarded.


You're the meanest ever.


haha, coming from you, that's really bad. I didn't even tell him his mother's a ***** or that I hope he's incapable of procreating.
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#113 Apr 12 2007 at 8:07 AM Rating: Good
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I didn't even tell him his mother's a *****
No respect for the classics. Smiley: disappointed
#114 Apr 12 2007 at 8:20 AM Rating: Default
im all for gun controll.

while i fully support the rights of an individual to own a fire arm, or weapon to hunt or target shoot with, and would be opposed to any bill aimed at taking those rights away from non-felon individuals.....

i support this bill.

i see nothing wrong with having to register a weapon. i see nothing wrong with manditory back ground checks to buy a weapon. i see nothing wrong with a manditory waiting period go take possession of a weapon.

none of those things infringes on the second amendment.

what does, adn something i am also all for, is the elimination of assult type weapons. not only from individuals, but from this country alltogether. they have no purpose other than to kill people. cant hunt with them, you would destroy the animal. cant target shoot with them, they are hugly inaccurate. and if they are illegal, you can bet you would see less of them in the hands of criminals.

someone breaks into your house? i guarentee you the sound of a 12 guage pump action shotgun being pumped will discurage all but the most determined intruder more effectively than the slide on an assult weapon being pulled back. knowing they dont really have to aim to hit you is a huge detractor. knowing a shotgun slug will go through a wall, lift you off your feet and out a baseball sized hole in your body is as much intimidation as anyone needs in their home.

assult type weapons? no use for them but killing people and law enforcement officers. ban them. and ill willingly re-register my weapon if they want. nothing to hide.
#115 Apr 12 2007 at 8:24 AM Rating: Decent
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someone breaks into your house? i guarentee you the sound of a 12 guage pump action shotgun being pumped will discurage all but the most determined intruder more effectively than the slide on an assult weapon being pulled back. knowing they dont really have to aim to hit you is a huge detractor. knowing a shotgun slug will go through a wall, lift you off your feet and out a baseball sized hole in your body is as much intimidation as anyone needs in their home.


Right, because keeping a loaded shotgun lying around in case you happen across a burglar is a stellar idea. Perhaps a viscous attack giraffe would supplement that level of protection.

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#116 Apr 12 2007 at 8:28 AM Rating: Excellent
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Smasharoo wrote:

Perhaps a viscous attack giraffe would supplement that level of protection.


I really want one of these, but I bet they'd eat a ton.

I bet I could teach it to feast on the flesh of my enemies though...like those ******* elephants.

/ponder

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#117 Apr 12 2007 at 8:34 AM Rating: Excellent
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Right, because keeping a loaded shotgun lying around in case you happen across a burglar is a stellar idea.
What if giant worms attack your basement?
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#118 Apr 12 2007 at 8:35 AM Rating: Decent
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What if giant worms attack your basement?


I think I had that in India in 94.
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#119 Apr 12 2007 at 5:45 PM Rating: Good
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what does, adn something i am also all for, is the elimination of assult type weapons. not only from individuals, but from this country alltogether. they have no purpose other than to kill people. cant hunt with them, you would destroy the animal. cant target shoot with them, they are hugly inaccurate. and if they are illegal, you can bet you would see less of them in the hands of criminals.


Ok. Now I'm seeing insanity from both directions.

I'm pretty sure that "militias" aren't primarily there for animal hunting...


The first paragraph of the amendment is the *reason* the right to keep and bear arms exists. It is not a condition. It's the end reason. If the people don't have private weapons, then they cannot form into militias in time of need.


One could argue that the amendment explicitly allows for private ownership of weapons designed to kill people and not animals. The whole "this weapon can't be used for hunting so it's ok to ban it" argument is absurd. I can at least grant someone a bit of credit for making the "these people aren't in an organized militia" argument. I disagree with that interpretation, but can understand how people can arrive at that conclusion. Your's simply makes no sense whatsoever...
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#120 Apr 13 2007 at 1:19 AM Rating: Decent
Nexa wrote:
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Perhaps a viscous attack giraffe would supplement that level of protection.


I really want one of these, but I bet they'd eat a ton.



I have the coolest business idea for you guys that are into, erm, genetic modifications and stuff:

Mini-Jungle Animals!!

It's really easy. We genetically modify wild animals, like lions, giraffes, elephants, leopards, cheetahs, rinhos, etc, to one-tenth of their size. Then you cant buy them as pets, to keep in your house or garden!

Just imagine! Having a mini-elephant running around the house, with its mini-trunk, and its mini-tusks! You could even call it Dumbo, and put little rings on his tusks, or a little bell.

Personally, I want a mini-cheetah and a mini-rihno. And a maybe a fish tank with mini-dolhpins in it.

Now, I realise there are some, erm, well, "ethical" issues involved, but I'm pretty sure the demand will be so big that any ethical concerns will be swept under a gigantic tide of money.

Anyway, I'll let you know how it goes.

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#121 Apr 13 2007 at 2:42 AM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:

Just imagine! Having a mini-elephant running around the house, with its mini-trunk, and its mini-tusks! You could even call it Dumbo, and put little rings on his tusks, or a little bell.


Elephant and pig DNA just won't splice.

I'm so lusciously sorry for everything.

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#122 Apr 13 2007 at 3:15 AM Rating: Decent
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Elephant and pig DNA just won't splice.

I'm so lusciously sorry for everything.

Nexa


No no, its not about mixing elephants with pigs, cos that's just wrong, it's about making elephants the size of a cat. It's easy, you just cut their, erm, "big gene" into a small gene.

Like midgets.

You're obviously not a genetics scientist Smiley: oyvey



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#123 Apr 13 2007 at 4:26 AM Rating: Excellent
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Monsieur RedPhoenixxx wrote:

No no, its not about mixing elephants with pigs, cos that's just wrong, it's about making elephants the size of a cat. It's easy, you just cut their, erm, "big gene" into a small gene.

Like midgets.

You're obviously not a genetics scientist Smiley: oyvey


Hmm, I dunno. I would wager that I've made more babies than you.

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#124 Apr 13 2007 at 4:46 AM Rating: Good
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Hmm, I dunno. I would wager that I've made more babies than you.

Nexa


Fine, you've won this round, Miss I-have-a-womb, but we'll discuss this again when I'm stroking my tiny giraffe.

Hmmm, I could've phrased this better...

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#125 Apr 13 2007 at 4:50 AM Rating: Decent
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Canada has more guns per capita and far less shootings of other people per gun, when compared to the US. This is because of the restrictions in the type of gun that can be owned and the license process that is nescassary to own a gun. Or it could just be that Canadians understand that your not supposed to shoot other people.
#126 Apr 13 2007 at 5:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Canada has more guns per capita and far less shootings of other people per gun, when compared to the US. This is because of the restrictions in the type of gun that can be owned and the license process that is nescassary to own a gun. Or it could just be that Canadians understand that your not supposed to shoot other people.


I think it might be a bit of both.

Either way we seem to make more sense with our gun laws.
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