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#1 Mar 29 2007 at 9:18 AM Rating: Decent
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It seems that the Dems are at it again. Bush at least had the decency to let us keep our guns:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1022:

Again, they're wanting background checks, registration of ALL firearms, and making it illegal to own these weapons.

Obviously this is unconstitutional, as it infringes on the Second Amendment. It bothers me that so many people willingly continue to vote for people that have, and will continue to, take their rights away, on both sides of the "isle". Where did it all go wrong? Haven't they learned that those who would gain their weapons by illegal means anyway, aren't affected by laws like this?

My only feeling on the bill itself is this:

IF it passes, I dare them to take my weapons, because I know how to use them, and will, to defend my rights.

#2 Mar 29 2007 at 9:21 AM Rating: Excellent
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Metastophicleas wrote:
It seems that the Dems are at it again. Bush at least had the decency to let us keep our guns:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c110:H.R.1022:

Again, they're wanting background checks, registration of ALL firearms, and making it illegal to own these weapons.

Obviously this is unconstitutional, as it infringes on the Second Amendment. It bothers me that so many people willingly continue to vote for people that have, and will continue to, take their rights away, on both sides of the "isle". Where did it all go wrong? Haven't they learned that those who would gain their weapons by illegal means anyway, aren't affected by laws like this?

My only feeling on the bill itself is this:

IF it passes, I dare them to take my weapons, because I know how to use them, and will, to defend my rights.


They're meeting on an isle now? No wonder we're so far in debt.

Seriously though, I've never believed that the second amendment was intended to cover assault rifles, haha.

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#3 Mar 29 2007 at 9:23 AM Rating: Decent
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IF it passes, I dare them to take my weapons, because I know how to use them, and will, to defend my rights.


When I see you on the news shot full of holes, I will laugh at your stupid ***.
#4 Mar 29 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Good
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Reasonable. If you want a gun, just register it-no fuss. They're not saying you can't own one, just that certain hurdles would have to be jumped and really, isn't it worth it for your precious, precious gun?
#5 Mar 29 2007 at 9:24 AM Rating: Decent
Metastophicleas wrote:
Obviously this is unconstitutional, as it infringes on the Second Amendment.


The Second Amendment doesn't give you the right own a firearm for ***** and giggles. It allows you to own a rifle to protect Yourself (and the royal We, the People) from a Gov. that has grown to large.

You do remember that whole thing with Britain right?
#6 Mar 29 2007 at 9:49 AM Rating: Decent
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Yes I do, and I'm thinking that our government has grown too "big" (read bold) for itself now as well.

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A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.


It is important to note that this is the entire Second Amendment. There's no exceptions. There's no registration requirement. There's no room for discussion on it. What they're attempting to do is infringe the rights of the populace.

I wonder how many will be upset when the next thing to come down the pipe will be the federal government changing school books and history...oh wait, they already did. That's why America is named for Columbus, you know, because he did discover it.

I also find it funny that you think someone willing to defend their rights is funny, or stupid. What's the point of having rights if you're not willing to defend them?
#7 Mar 29 2007 at 9:50 AM Rating: Excellent
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HR 1022 wrote:
(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
Nice of them to exempt those bolt-action assault rifles Smiley: laugh
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#8 Mar 29 2007 at 9:53 AM Rating: Decent
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HR 1022 wrote:
(3) Paragraph (1) shall not apply to any firearm that--
`(A) is manually operated by bolt, pump, level, or slide action;
Nice of them to exempt those bolt-action assault rifles Smiley: laugh


To be honest, I'm surprised that barrel loaded rifles weren't mentioned.
#9 Mar 29 2007 at 9:54 AM Rating: Decent
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I only have one question for the OP:

Why the fUck would you need an assault weapon?
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Squirrel hunting. And keeping the King of England off your back.
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#11 Mar 29 2007 at 10:05 AM Rating: Default
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Oh, Well..that explains that then...carry on.
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#12 Mar 29 2007 at 10:11 AM Rating: Decent
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If you notice what they consider an "assault weapon", you'll understand my ire. I'm ok, should special weapons be required to be registered (select fire, or standard automatics), but listing an AR-10, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR, is obsurd. These are normally hunting rifles first, home defense second.

Many of the rifles listed are found to have "civillian" and "law enforcment/military" versions. The obvious difference is the ability to select fire rate (auto, burst, single), and quite often little of the parts are interchangable, making the ability to convert a "civillian" version almost impossible.
#13 Mar 29 2007 at 10:15 AM Rating: Decent
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So you'll have to do some extra work to keep your guns, boo frikkin hoo, it's not the end of the world.

Personally, I'm all for gun control. The less guns out there the less likely I am to get shot at work. Yeah, I know, "guns don't kill people, people kill people", but people are less likely to kill me with a gun if there are less out there.

Just do the damn paperworks and background checks and stop complaining.
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#14 Mar 29 2007 at 10:17 AM Rating: Decent
Let's remember when the second amendment was added to the constitution, shall we?

1789, if memory serves me correctly. (I may be off, but it was around there. 1700 something.) I don't believe the founding fathers had semi-automatic and automatic assault weapons in mind when they told people to keep their hunting rifles.

I see nothing wrong with trying to keep these types of weapons out of the hands of the public. And I see nothing wrong with requiring a background check and registration of a gun.
#15 Mar 29 2007 at 10:56 AM Rating: Default
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I think all handguns should be banned. There is absolutely no need to own a handgun.

I think all automatic weapons should be banned. You don't hunt with an automatic weapon.

I think you should be able to load a maximum of 4 bullets into a gun and removable clips should be banned. If you can't hit an animal with 4 shots you're not going to hit it with 8 (it'll already be long gone). There is no practical reason to have the ability to fire a weapon more than 4 times without stopping to reload.

You should be allowed to own a maximum of 3 hunting rifles, all of which must be different calibres. I would say 1 but there is a need for different type rifles depending on what you are hunting.

You should have to have a licence proving you are both old enough and have taken a course in firearms safety before you are allowed to purchase a gun.

All guns should be sold with mandatory trigger locks. Rifles should have mechanical timers that put the weapon into safe mode automatically 10 minutes (or some other amount of time) after the safety is removed. It should be illegal for a weapon to be out of your hands while the safety is dissengaged.

ANY violent criminal record and you are banned from EVER owning/using/holding a weapon.

I'm all for hunting, nothing wrong with it. Hunting doesn't require a handgun, automatic rifle, lots of bullets. What it does require is safety knowledge and strict rules.

If they aren't going to do most of the above then they shouldn't do anything. Not being able to own an assault rifle isn't a threat to your freedom.
#16 Mar 29 2007 at 11:00 AM Rating: Good
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If you notice what they consider an "assault weapon", you'll understand my ire. I'm ok, should special weapons be required to be registered (select fire, or standard automatics), but listing an AR-10, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR, is obsurd. These are normally hunting rifles first, home defense second.

Many of the rifles listed are found to have "civillian" and "law enforcment/military" versions. The obvious difference is the ability to select fire rate (auto, burst, single), and quite often little of the parts are interchangable, making the ability to convert a "civillian" version almost impossible.




What would a civillian need a high powered, military issued (-the rate of fire), assault rifle for? I'm sure that dangerous deer might stalk you down in the woods... What happened to go old 22's Smiley: oyvey

#17 Mar 29 2007 at 11:04 AM Rating: Good
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You stupid fUcking bastards.
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#18 Mar 29 2007 at 11:06 AM Rating: Excellent
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Yodabunny wrote:
Not being able to own an assault rifle isn't a threat to your freedom.


ooook, but don't come crying to me when they take over the world with nothing but a board with a nail in it.

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#19 Mar 29 2007 at 11:09 AM Rating: Excellent
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Metastophicleas wrote:
I'm ok, should special weapons be required to be registered (select fire, or standard automatics), but listing an AR-10, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR, is obsurd. These are normally hunting rifles first, home defense second.
What would a civillian need a high powered, military issued (-the rate of fire), assault rifle for? I'm sure that dangerous deer might stalk you down in the woods... What happened to go old 22's Smiley: oyvey
Obviously you need those in case you're attacked by a wendigo.
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#20 Mar 29 2007 at 12:14 PM Rating: Decent
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Oil wrote:
Metastophicleas wrote:
I'm ok, should special weapons be required to be registered (select fire, or standard automatics), but listing an AR-10, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, or Olympic Arms PCR, is obsurd. These are normally hunting rifles first, home defense second.
What would a civillian need a high powered, military issued (-the rate of fire), assault rifle for? I'm sure that dangerous deer might stalk you down in the woods... What happened to go old 22's Smiley: oyvey
Obviously you need those in case you're attacked by a wendigo.


Nah, I fought the last one off with a broken bottle of Molson Canadian and a feather.
#21 Mar 29 2007 at 12:21 PM Rating: Decent
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It seems that the Dems are at it again. Bush at least had the decency to let us keep our guns:

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/qu...0:H.R.1022:

Again, they're wanting background checks, registration of ALL firearms, and making it illegal to own these weapons.


You shouldn't link to the bill if you're not actually going to read it. It strictly discusses assault weapons, which should absolutely be illegal to own. As should handguns which it doesn't address at all.


Obviously this is unconstitutional, as it infringes on the Second Amendment.


You should link the constitution, too since you seem to like linking things you don't understand. The Second Amendment, even as ludicrously interpreted as it has been by courts paid off by the NRA could never, ever, be construed to include private citizens owning assault rifles.


It bothers me that so many people willingly continue to vote for people that have, and will continue to, take their rights away, on both sides of the "isle". Where did it all go wrong? Haven't they learned that those who would gain their weapons by illegal means anyway, aren't affected by laws like this?


Oh but they are, that's the point. Being able to arrest and convict anyone found with an assault rifle would be very useful. Not to mention the vastly lower number of said weapons floating around in circulation in general would make it more difficult for someone to obtain one illegally.


My only feeling on the bill itself is this:

IF it passes, I dare them to take my weapons, because I know how to use them, and will, to defend my rights.


1. Nothing in this bill mentions taking anyone's existing weapons.

2. You'd hand them over and say 'yes sir, here you go sir.' Then whine about it like a little *****.

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#22 Mar 29 2007 at 12:48 PM Rating: Default
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OP was seriously owned, and not like slavery owned, eaten like wheaties for breakfast and sh*t out with last nights beer owned.
#23 Mar 29 2007 at 2:14 PM Rating: Default
I don't see the registering of firearms as against the constitution. The 2nd Amendment only allows you to keep bear arms mounted on your walls, not for guns.

Duh
#24 Mar 29 2007 at 2:18 PM Rating: Default
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2. You'd hand them over and say 'yes sir, here you go sir.' Then whine about it like a little *****.


And yes this is pure ownage, and 100% true.

OP, you know damn well if 5 big FBI guys or whatever with guns came to your house and told you to hand over your guns you'd do exactly what Smash just said.

That reminds me of the beginning of Office Space when that guy stops rapping loud when the black guy gets close then starts being loud again when he walks away...that'd be exactly what the OP would act like.

"They're not taking MY guns, I know how to use them"

"Sir, under order of the federal government, you're hereby ordered to turn them over, please return them to Officer 6'8 Jackson here"

"Ummm yes sir, right away, should I gift wrap them?"

Later on with his friends: "Man you should have seen me guys, I totally gave that FBI guy a piece of my mind, he looked pretty scared to me"

#25 Mar 29 2007 at 4:54 PM Rating: Default
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Let's remember when the second amendment was added to the constitution, shall we?

1789, if memory serves me correctly. (I may be off, but it was around there. 1700 something.) I don't believe the founding fathers had semi-automatic and automatic assault weapons in mind when they told people to keep their hunting rifles.

I see nothing wrong with trying to keep these types of weapons out of the hands of the public. And I see nothing wrong with requiring a background check and registration of a gun.


And the IV, V, VI VIII Amendments don't require recitation of Miranda rights when someone is taken into custody, yet the the US Supreme Court that is so enthralled by the NRA decided that failure to do so is a breach of our civil rights.

What the Friggin' hell is the matter with you people that you are so afraid of guns?

Courtesy of the CDC:

Firearm related deaths- 11,250
Alcohol related deaths- 20,687
Suicide- 31,484
Vehicular related deaths- 46,933

Don't be afraid of guns, be afraid of stupid people.
#26 Mar 29 2007 at 5:02 PM Rating: Decent
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What the Friggin' hell is the matter with you people that you are so afraid of guns?


What the "Friggin' hell" is wrong with wanting regulation of deadly weapons?

LordSpamalot wrote:
Don't be afraid of guns, be afraid of stupid people.


Actually, I'm afraid of stupid people with guns.

Which is why I don't see why it's a big deal to regulate the sale of guns.

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