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#27 Mar 22 2007 at 3:53 PM Rating: Excellent
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#28 Mar 22 2007 at 4:42 PM Rating: Decent
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why the hell do they need to have a special day each month?!?!


It's once a year, not once a month. Smiley: smile

And, Joph, I see what you're saying, but can't the protest in and of itself be a learning experience?
#29 Mar 22 2007 at 5:12 PM Rating: Excellent
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This has been going on since I was in highschool (graduated 4 years ago), except students participating were remaining silent to protest child abuse or some such.

Day of Silence for <insert political hotbutton issue here>.
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#30 Mar 22 2007 at 11:23 PM Rating: Decent
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I spent several days throughout my high school career without talking. Of course, I was an anti-social recluse and only attended for two and a half years anyways.

The only major "Days" I can remember though were "Dress Backwards" and fuck all if I have any idea what *that* was about. come to think of it, probably was a gay thing.
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#31 Mar 23 2007 at 2:29 AM Rating: Decent
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The only major "Days" I can remember though were "Dress Backwards" and fuck all if I have any idea what *that* was about. come to think of it, probably was a gay thing.


For Kriss-Kross, it was "Dress Backwards Day" everyday.

Bunch of poofters...

Kriss-Kross will make you, Hump! Hump!"



And gbaji, man, I laughed at your post!

Well, I often laugh at your post, but I actually laughed at your joke, as opposed to your hand-banging stubordness.



[]i[/sm]Edited cos I can't spell Kriss-Kross.[/sm][/i]

Edited, Mar 23rd 2007 10:31am by RedPhoenixxx
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#32 Mar 23 2007 at 9:30 AM Rating: Good
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If it was grade school, maybe I'd have something to say about it, but if it's high school kids who are forming opinions and learning to be activists as they grow within the confines of their society, I say the hell to it. Let 'em, just make sure they have to deal with any consequences. It's the same in RL, right? If I chain myself to a light post to nonviolently protest the destruction of a building, I still may face legal charges, jail time, etc. The right to protest doesn't mean you don't face the penalties of your actions.

You go kid, for taking a stand. Now take your punishment like a big boy. It's how the world works.
#33 Mar 23 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Good
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#34 Mar 23 2007 at 9:58 AM Rating: Excellent
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We had a "silence day" back when I was in high school, too.

It was for DUI awareness of some sort. Group of us had to dress all in black and sort of pretend we were dead. We even had our tombstones (made of cardboard) setup in the courtyard.

Teachers would have to refer to us in passed tense and everyone were supposed to sort of play along and ignore us.

Honestly, I felt like it was more "ZOMG MATRIX DAY" than anything, since we all wore shades. Smiley: laugh
#35 Mar 23 2007 at 10:31 AM Rating: Excellent
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If it was grade school, maybe I'd have something to say about it, but if it's high school kids who are forming opinions and learning to be activists as they grow within the confines of their society, I say the hell to it. Let 'em, just make sure they have to deal with any consequences. It's the same in RL, right?
Back in high school, the sister school in town decided not to put up a Christmas tree due to Church/State reasons. So a group of students staged a walk-out where they'd leave class and walk to our school and sing protest songs or something. Anyway, they were warned that if they left school grounds they'd be appropriately disciplined.

The day came, they walked and they all received three day suspensions per the rules. The next week, the opinion column in the local paper was full of students and parents saying how dare the district dare to discipline their little angels for taking a stand and promises to fight tooth and nail. I found it funny that all these students wanted to act all grown up with their little display of protest but then ran behind their parents' skirts when they actually had to pay the Piper. All grown up, indeed!
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#36 Mar 23 2007 at 10:45 AM Rating: Good
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In that case, I'd have to explain the concept of "sucking it up" to them.
#37 Mar 23 2007 at 4:47 PM Rating: Good
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Hmmmm... So if it's a school-approved (aka "liberal") cause, resources are spent to guide the students in protest, but if it's not, then they're punished for it. But there's no danger of bias or unfairness in this sytem at all...


Yes. I'm aware that in the particular case Joph listed, they left campus in violation of school rules. However, the point is still valid. How many official school functions lead students in protest or "awareness" of various issues? Shouldn't maybe our schools stay out of politics and just teach the students?


Just a thought...
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#38 Mar 23 2007 at 4:51 PM Rating: Excellent
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As long as participation is voluntary and it doesn't directly interfere with learning, I don't really care what "official" protest is happening. Have the kids (voluntarily) wear a special shirt or sunglasses or sandals or hang banners or have a poetry reading at lunch. I don't care. I might even think it's a good idea. It's not until it creeps into the classroom and disturbs learning that I have a gripe.
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#39 Mar 23 2007 at 4:55 PM Rating: Good
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As long as participation is voluntary and it doesn't directly interfere with learning, I don't really care what "official" protest is happening. Have the kids (voluntarily) wear a special shirt or sunglasses or sandals or hang banners or have a poetry reading at lunch. I don't care. I might even think it's a good idea. It's not until it creeps into the classroom and disturbs learning that I have a gripe.


Like a "day of silence", right? Or field trips to listen to some Mecha leader speak about socialist worker movements. Those things, right?
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I already griped about the Day of Silence. Erm -- way to restate what I said from Post #1! Smiley: laugh

I don't know details about your field trip to have an opinion.
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#41 Mar 23 2007 at 5:36 PM Rating: Good
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I don't know details about your field trip to have an opinion.
You may be in denial, but touching him there was a bad thing, and you know it
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#42 Mar 23 2007 at 7:12 PM Rating: Good
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I already griped about the Day of Silence. Erm -- way to restate what I said from Post #1! Smiley: laugh

I don't know details about your field trip to have an opinion.


Ok. this isn't the one I was thinking of, but it did have the same speaker. It's not Mecha though. Got that confused. Speaker was Delores Huerta of the UFW

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THE OAKLAND TRIBUNE, Friday, May 09, 2003, STAFF AND WIRE REPORTS

SACRAMENTO -- Several hundred Oakland and Berkeley students got a different kind of civics lesson Thursday when they headed to Sacramento to rally against school budget cuts on the steps of the state Capitol.

A few dozen bus loads of students, ranging in age from first-graders to high school seniors, took part in the "Education Not Incarceration" rally, urging lawmakers to keep school funding safe from cuts by reducing spending in other areas.

"Every one of my teachers got a pink slip this year," said Kahlil Davies-Calhoun, a Berkeley High School junior who attended with his American Government class. "It really affects us because we're an inner-city school."

The noontime rally featured Dolores Huerta, co-founder of the United Farm Workers, and Assemblywoman Jackie Goldberg, D-Los Angeles, who said the state needs to make education the top priority in the budget.

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So apparently, it's a legitimate use of taxpayer school funding to bus K-12 students to political rallys?


You can take this with a grain of salt given the source, but here's another example of students here in the SouthWest being indoctrinated with politically one-sided information at public expense. In this case to a pro-illegal immigration rally by the same Delores Huerta.

I can't find the specific case I recall seeing (although it might be the same Tuscon one), where a female student basically complained that she was effectively "forced" to attend a speach given by the same woman as the key speaker at a school assembly. Students were encouraged to attend by their history and social studies teachers with explanations that getting to listen to Ms Huerta was some kind of great priviledge. So much so that while students could opt not to attend, their choice was to spend the period of time essentially in detention.


Note also that students were *not* suspended or punished in any way for leaving school for any "liberal" rally that I could find. Even when they weren't part of an official school function, complete with busing, no one punished students for leaving school. Those big immigration marches last year? Same deal. Students left in droves (cause they could really). Didn't see any suspensions or punishments from those, did we?


One sided enough for you? Care to find me an example where a public school provided busing to a pro-conservative/republican rally?
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#43 Mar 24 2007 at 6:36 AM Rating: Excellent
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One sided enough for you? Care to find me an example where a public school provided busing to a pro-conservative/republican rally?
Why would I? The story you presented seems, to me, to have been a waste of time and money so far as educating students goes.

Which is a long way yet from me voting a straight Republican ticket but I'd have my complaints to make to the district who decided this was a good idea.

Oh, and I'm not sure what "essentially in detention" is supposed to mean but I suspect it just means "Stay in study hall" which means staying relatively quiet. Oh no! What are the students supposed to get, a pizza party?
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#44 Mar 25 2007 at 6:03 AM Rating: Good
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In my School, during Black History Month, we had a speaker come in for God knows what reason. I don't know what she wanted to speak about because only the black kids were let in. If you tried to get in and you weren't black, they wouldn't let you! Pretty wrong if I say.

So yeah, they all got two days off of school, but we didn't. :( Not sure if they had to go either.

I'm sort of glad that I don't live in America and have to go through half of the special days that you seem to go through, though.
#45 Mar 25 2007 at 7:04 AM Rating: Default
hell, we have a day to celebrate satan, hollween, a day to selebrate drunk mexicans, cinco demyo, a day for blacks, dead presidents, the irish, fathers, mothers, pets,

so why not? only a fool wouldnt think one for gays would pop up.
#46 Mar 25 2007 at 9:33 PM Rating: Good
I had someone call my Hotel and ask if they could get a discount since they were coming in for the PRIDE events in Boston.

Unfortunatly for that particular homosexual, the progress for gay rights in our state have yet to affect room rate reductions.

Unbeknownst to him, the room rates have actually gone up.

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#47 Mar 26 2007 at 9:40 AM Rating: Decent
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Call me a traditionalist, but I always considered communication between student and teacher to be an important part of the academic process.


Actually that would make you more of a progressivist. A traditionalist very well could lead a class that was entirely silent using only direct instruction, i.e., lectures. The idea that students should be actively engaged in their own learning is considered a progressive one. The traditionalist mentality is more like, "I will give you this education and you had better sit quietly and take it."

~I also don't see a school-sanctioned "protest" as a sensible idea. Politics aside, it just makes very little sense to arbitrarily interfere with the academic process in a way that has no direct application whatsoever to the thing you're trying to accomplish. Raising awareness is fine, but generally when you want to raise awareness, you speak out, not shut up.

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#49 Mar 26 2007 at 9:45 AM Rating: Default
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#50 Mar 26 2007 at 9:59 AM Rating: Excellent
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I don't know what she wanted to speak about because only the black kids were let in. If you tried to get in and you weren't black, they wouldn't let you! Pretty wrong if I say.


That seems a bit counterproductive, overall. I suppose it's along the lines of pride, rather than education. Ergo, not school related anyway.

I'd have no problem with kids going to an event/debate that might actually be educational. Field trips have their place, and certainly serve to break up the monotony. But, yeah. Protesting for the sake of getting out of class is lame enough without the school sanctioning it.

As far as the "day of silence" is concerned, I'd imagine it's more of a relief than anything else.

Of course if I were a teacher in that school I'd save the most interesting and controversial discussions for the day of silence, just to drive the little ******* crazy.
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#51 Mar 26 2007 at 10:26 AM Rating: Decent
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Of course if I were a teacher in that school I'd save the most interesting and controversial discussions for the day of silence, just to drive the little ******* crazy.



lol, that's a really good idea.
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